Agonozing over size vs. cut

[GDiaM]

Hi all,

I need a second/expert opinion on these two stones.

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1111644.asp

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-VS2-Premium-Cut-Round-Diamond-1087993.asp

I should note that this is for an e-ring and the person receiving it loves the size of a 1.50ct.

On the one hand the 1.41 is an F-VS2-IGS0, but it''s 1.41 and has a obvious inclusion right in the middle of the table and some off to the side. Will I EVER see those? Also, I can look at the actual dimensions, but I don''t know what that translates to in the real world (i.e. what does a 0.10 mm difference mean? Not much I expect) Is the symmetry of 7.20 x 7.30 something to worry about?

On the other hand the 1.50 is an Excellent-VS2 and looks VERY clean, but it''s a G and has VG polish and symmetry as opposed to the AGS Ideal. Again, will I EVER notice the difference between ID and VG polish and symmetry?

I realize it''s hard to speculate on this without the two next to each other, but I''d just like another set of eyes and some opinions. Which would you choose disregarding price? Thanks in advance.

 

[Sparkalicious]

Hi GDiam! Welcome!

Personally, neither of the stones you have selected thus far are choices that I would make for various reasons. The first one, as you stated, the inclusions look quite visible - to see if it may still be a viable option, you may want to ask the vendor if, according to your definition of eye-clean, it is eye-clean. If so, this one may be the one. With regards to the second one, as you stated, the cut is not at the level for optimal performance, thus it may be one you might want to skip over as well.

I found 2 on Whiteflash that you might be interested in ...

This one? or This one?

 

[GDiaM]

Thanks for the welcome. I''m wondering how to tell the cut quality of those stones though, since the report doesn''t grade the cut. The first one has very good polish, so doesn''t that eliminate it as an IGS0? I was actually considering the second one (1.535) but was unsure if the inclusions which are obvious in the picture are eye visible. Also, the same problem with the cut quality. How do you know what they are?

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 12/11/2007 11:30:41 AM
Author: Sparkalicious
Hi GDiam! Welcome!

Personally, neither of the stones you have selected thus far are choices that I would make for various reasons. The first one, as you stated, the inclusions look quite visible - to see if it may still be a viable option, you may want to ask the vendor if, according to your definition of eye-clean, it is eye-clean. If so, this one may be the one. With regards to the second one, as you stated, the cut is not at the level for optimal performance, thus it may be one you might want to skip over as well.

I found 2 on Whiteflash that you might be interested in ...

This one? or This one?

The first diamond looks as if it has potential, with those pics you can't get an accurate idea as to whether this diamond's inclusion will be visible in real life. It looks as if this diamond may well be worth asking James Allen about as to whether that small inclusion would be visible or not - give it a chance and ask the vendor to look at it for you perhaps, especially as it is a VS clarity.

 

[Sparkalicious]

Date: 12/11/2007 12:02:54 PM
Author: GDiaM
Thanks for the welcome. I''m wondering how to tell the cut quality of those stones though, since the report doesn''t grade the cut. The first one has very good polish, so doesn''t that eliminate it as an IGS0? I was actually considering the second one (1.535) but was unsure if the inclusions which are obvious in the picture are eye visible. Also, the same problem with the cut quality. How do you know what they are?

Run the number in the Holloway Cut Advisor and that will tell you about the cut/performance of the diamond ... Holloway Cut Advisor - Click Here

 

[Lorelei]

Never mind, I thought you meant the polish on the first James Allen diamond was VG, not Ideal as is the case.

As I said in my earlier post, I think the very first James Allen diamond posted the 1.4 F VS is well worth further consideration and you can't get an accurate idea of eyecleanliness with one of those pics, it may be worth asking JA if you are interested in this diamond.

 

[Skippy123]

You can search using this https://www.pricescope.com/sift.aspx use Excellent Excellent for cut (since cut is king) and price pops up too so it should help.

Leave AGS and H&A at the default and then choose your parameters on the right. Hope that helps.

Also the above posters posted some nice stones.

 

[GDiaM]

Thank you all for the help. I have just heard back from someone at James Allen (who replied quickly and professionally by the way), and the 1.41 is clean to the naked eye.

Back to my original question, is the size difference between the first two stones I posted noticable? How much of a difference in dimensions does there need to be to be noticable to most people?

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 12/11/2007 1:17:13 PM
Author: GDiaM
Thank you all for the help. I have just heard back from someone at James Allen (who replied quickly and professionally by the way), and the 1.41 is clean to the naked eye.

Back to my original question, is the size difference between the first two stones I posted noticable? How much of a difference in dimensions does there need to be to be noticable to most people?

Excellent, I thought it would be! The size difference would be negligible, especially with diamonds of this size. You might want to consider reserving the 1.4 as soon as possible while you decide, as diamonds are going very fast at the moment, especially ones like that.

 

[Sparkalicious]

Date: 12/11/2007 1:17:13 PM
Author: GDiaM
Thank you all for the help. I have just heard back from someone at James Allen (who replied quickly and professionally by the way), and the 1.41 is clean to the naked eye.

Back to my original question, is the size difference between the first two stones I posted noticable? How much of a difference in dimensions does there need to be to be noticable to most people?

Woohoo!

That size difference is not at all noticeable! Go for it!

 

[iheartscience]

Put the 1.41 on hold! It seems like several diamonds posted here recently have been bought by people other than the original posters.

I don''t think there would be much difference in size, personally, so I''d go for the F VS2 for sure!

 

[GDiaM]

Just made the call and did the deed.

Thanks again everyone.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 12/11/2007 1:54:04 PM
Author: GDiaM
Just made the call and did the deed.

Thanks again everyone.

Fabulous! I know that diamond wasn't going to stick around long....

It also goes to prove that the magnified pics don't tell the whole story regarding eyecleanliness or the visibility of any inclusions, so not to take them as the ultimate deciding factor.

 

[Sparkalicious]

EXCELLENT! Nice job! I know it will be beautiful!

Please show us when you get it.

 

[GDiaM]

I will be sure to post it up when it''s finished

 

[Lorelei]

Look forward to it and congrats on a wonderful diamond!! I know you will be delighted with it!