Advice please! Is cut for this stone okay?

[aliza3]

Hi,

I really need your help deciding if this is a good stone. Here are the specs from the GIA report:

ROUND BRILLIANT
Measurements 7.36 - 7.41 x 4.30 mm
Carat Weight 1.50 carat
Color Grade E
Clarity Grade SI1
Cut Grade Good

PROPORTIONS
Depth 58.2 %
Table 64 %
Crown Angle 33.5°
Crown Height 12.0%
Pavilion Angle 39.6°
Pavilion Depth 41.0%
Star Length 60%
Lower Half 80%
Girdle Thick, Faceted, 5.0%
Culet Very Small

FINISH
Polish Good
Symmetry Good

FLUORESCENCE
Fluorescence None

CLARITY CHARACTERISTICS
Clarity Characteristics Needle, Crystal, Feather, Natural

COMMENTS
Internal graining is not shown.
Surface graining is not shown.

He is charging me $10,500. Please let me know your honest opinion. I do not want to be spending that much money on a bad quality stone. The color and size are perfect but I am concerned about the cut being good (instead of very good or excellent).

Thanks!

 

[Gypsy]

No way. That thing is a crappy diamond. And you do not need E color. Drop to G-H

A 64% table on a round brilliant? Holy cow.

Did you not read my post in your other thread? Why would you post a thread then not read the responses?? Please go back and study what I posted for you.

If you did you never would have even considered this diamond a possibility.

 

[aliza3]

Thanks for the response. I am kind of in a rush so I wanted a quick answer...I am reading it all now!!! I have learned to just stick with excellent cut to be on the safe side.

 

[Gypsy]

Thanks for the response. I am kind of in a rush so I wanted a quick answer...I am reading it all now!!! I have learned to just stick with excellent cut to be on the safe side.

Then you still aren't getting it. Excellent is too broad as well.

Please read my post again.

 

[aliza3]

Its hard when you are dealing with one diamond dealer because they tell you excellent and expect you to believe that that means it is excellent. I will stick to the HCA to see if it is actually excellent..and finish reading your links

Any other advice when it comes to color? Is there a noticeable difference between f, g, h and i

 

[Gypsy]

Its hard when you are dealing with one diamond dealer because they tell you excellent and expect you to believe that that means it is excellent. I will stick to the HCA to see if it is actually excellent..and finish reading your links

Any other advice when it comes to color? Is there a noticeable difference between f, g, h and i

Is there a reason you are sticking with a diamond dealer who is lying to you? If they are telling you this stone is excellent and it is clearly not, then why would you keep working with them? Seems pretty silly to me.


As for noticeable difference, it depends what you mean.

Diamonds are graded face down (upside down) for color. You don't wear them that way. You wear them face up. The reason you want the best cut possible is because you want to maximize light return. Why? Well, that's the whole point of faceting a diamond-- to return light. And second because light return will maximize the stones appearance. It will look whiter and larger than a stone with crappy cut, regardless of the color grade.

You also grade diamonds against a color master. So you have a comparison. You do not wear diamonds that way. You don't wear an E diamond right next to one that is identical in size but a G. You just don't. You wear them with smaller sidestones, matched for color, or alone in a solitaire.

You wear diamonds face up and set. Face up and set, no... there is not going to be a practical noticeable difference between an ideal G or an ideal E when set and on the hand. Even H is fine and not going to be noticeable. Tiffany carries down to I, for example, for their white diamonds.

IF YOU HAVE TIME, I would advise going to a Hearts of Fire dealer local to you. Make an appointment for about an hour and a half and let them walk you through cut, clarity and color. They do a great job. But we do call them "wallets on fire" here for a reason, so leave your wallet and home because we can find you comparable stones for less.

 

[RockyRacoon]

Better to deal with a vendor that will be honest upfront. When you get bad info from Day 1, the rest of the transaction is not likely to get better (particularly AFTER they get the money).

Here are a couple of stones to get you started, within your budget. These are top-of-the-line stones, and far better than the stones that guy is going to show you. Don't settle on this major purchase.

Both of these stones have top-notch cuts, and are eye-clean:

1.127ct, H, VS1
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.127-h-vs1-round-diamond-ags-bl-104067041004

1.55ct, J, VS2
http://www.highperformancediamonds.com/index.php?page=view-id-diamond-default&id=34

 

[aliza3]

So there is no chance this stone would look good in person?

 

[RockyRacoon]

So there is no chance this stone would look good in person?

Compared to what?

Compared to a piece of glass, it might look good. Compared to a well-cut diamond, it will be terrible.

Your diamond dealer is lying to you if he says this is a well-cut stone. Why do you want to give your business to liars?

 

[LetItShine]

I don't consider myself enough of an "expert" to comment on stones often, but to answer your question, NO WAY is that a good stone. It is only rated GIA good. The table is HUGE. If your jeweler friend is telling you that's a great stone, I suggest you find someone else. Don't sacrifice on cut. Go down on size and color if you have to.