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Hello,



I''ve found a emerald that really takes my fancy althought the Table seems a little high, do you think this will give it less fire? Also the L:W ration is alittle low but i think i could live with that. ill attach a link to get your opinions on the stone.

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?find=1&cid=130&item=1140952

Opinions welcomed please,

Regards,

John
 
Date: 6/24/2008 7:23:37 AM
Author:leasj1

Hello,




I''ve found a emerald that really takes my fancy althought the Table seems a little high, do you think this will give it less fire? Also the L:W ration is alittle low but i think i could live with that. ill attach a link to get your opinions on the stone.

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?find=1&cid=130&item=1140952

Opinions welcomed please,

Regards,

John
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Hi John!

Don''t worry too much about the numbers as you can miss out on many stunning diamonds that way, fancy shapes can''t be properly evaluated by numbers like rounds can - also the table isn''t that large to me. If you like this diamond, and it looks nice in the pic, ask JA for an Idealscope image ( not as useful as ASET) but still valid, and some more pics of the diamond. Also they will be able to talk you through the personality of the stone.
 
table is a little high in my opinion.
The biggest thing I don''t like is the darkness in the center due to obstruction.
I think you can do better.
 
Date: 6/24/2008 9:44:12 AM
Author: leasj1
Yeah i kind of thought the table might be too high.

Whilst doing another search on PS i found this one also from JA, its table is alot better and its ratio is more what i was looking for.

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VVS2-Ideal-Cut-Emerald-Diamond-1139995.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131

Whats the opinions on this?

Regards,

John
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John, your best bet is to ask James Allen for some recommendations as they can actually see the diamonds. Images and photos are fine, but they are no substitute for an expert eye who can look at the stone for you. If you prefer to buy by numbers, then JA may be able to offer you some suggestions of diamonds which might suit you, if you would rather purchase that way.
 
Lorelei,

Ive sent off a few emails as its not so cheap and easy to phone so readily from Scotland to the USA. So ill wait and see what the vendors come back with. Its been over 24 hours with some and no word. Is this me being impatient or is this the norm?

Regards,

John
 
Date: 6/24/2008 9:56:18 AM
Author: leasj1
Lorelei,

Ive sent off a few emails as its not so cheap and easy to phone so readily from Scotland to the USA. So ill wait and see what the vendors come back with. Its been over 24 hours with some and no word. Is this me being impatient or is this the norm?

Regards,

John
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I didn't realise you were in Scotland, I hope the weather is more summery for you there than it is here in England!!

I understand about the phone calls, I would give them till tomorrow morning to answer the email, then if no response, fire off a couple more emails to them. 24 - 48 hours seems to be about average for a vendor to respond.
 
On a side note ive seen this nice plain setting on the internet anybody know who its by?

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Date: 6/24/2008 12:29:57 PM
Author: leasj1
On a side note ive seen this nice plan setting on the internet anybody know who its by?
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I don''t, but it shouldn''t be a problem to find something similar.
 
Hey, good decision to buy from the US. I bought from the US and like you, I''m in Scotland.

Where did you look before deciding to purchase online?
 
Hey nice to talk to a fellow Scot.

I have been to the argyll arcade in Glasgow a few times but to be honest i think they were more interested to make a quick buck. Also the diamonds are already in there setting so that was another point i never liked. I just generally feel with the advice on here and alittle research myself i could pick up a great looking ring and have greater satisfaction. I have just spotted a few rings and sent off a few emails to the vendors regarding them. So i will see what they come back with and take it from there.

So just really on here to get some much needed advice on Emerald diamonds before i spend some £££. To make sure i dont buy a dud i guess. ha

Regards,

John
 
Crown height looks pretty low in the video.
 
Do you have the stats of the Angara diamond to compare? Personally I think it is hard to judge with that type of video, could Angara provide detailed photos of the diamond or again an ASET?
 
Ladies,

I suggested in an earlier email to them requesting the crown height and an ideal scope of the diamond and they replied:

I'm afraid we do not have an idealscope image nor the crown height of the
diamond. Emerald cuts generally are not known for their sparkle per se but
rather for symmetry and white flashes of light. If you prefer a stone with
"fire" you'd have to choose a some form of brilliant or modified brilliant
cut. Most of the time when people want idealscope images it is to check the
fire of the stone and to make sure there is no light "leakage" which makes
the stone darker or duller in certain parts of it. The emerald cut is more
of a "clean cut" and has different parameters from that of a brilliant cut
with which to judge it's performance. The crown height is also something
that is more associated with a round brilliant rather than an emerald cut.
For this reason the GIA never measures the crown angle of stones other than
the rounds.

Do you think i should request a crown height and take it from there?

Regards,

John
 
Date: 6/24/2008 4:29:28 PM
Author: leasj1
Ladies,

I suggested in an earlier email to them requesting the crown height and an ideal scope of the diamond and they replied:

I'm afraid we do not have an idealscope image nor the crown height of the
diamond. Emerald cuts generally are not known for their sparkle per se but
rather for symmetry and white flashes of light. If you prefer a stone with
'fire' you'd have to choose a some form of brilliant or modified brilliant
cut. Most of the time when people want idealscope images it is to check the
fire of the stone and to make sure there is no light 'leakage' which makes
the stone darker or duller in certain parts of it. The emerald cut is more
of a 'clean cut' and has different parameters from that of a brilliant cut
with which to judge it's performance. The crown height is also something
that is more associated with a round brilliant rather than an emerald cut.
For this reason the GIA never measures the crown angle of stones other than
the rounds.

Do you think i should request a crown height and take it from there?

Regards,

John
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I personally wouldn't worry too much about the crown height, as said before, it isn't actually a guarantee of a diamond having a good amount of fire or brilliance according to some of the experts here, so don't get over reliant on the numbers, as there are too many variables, look at the complete picture and use your eyes as the ultimate decider. I would ask them to take some photos of the diamond face up, and side view to get a better idea of how it looks.
 
Lorelei,

I understand what you are saying, but i have heard a number of people on here asking about the crown heights sso i would prefer it to be above 12%. Although you are right ultimately it will come down to my eyes at the end, but i would like it if all the figures tied together.

I have emailed them asking for a face up and side on picture.

Regards,

John
 
Date: 6/24/2008 4:58:31 PM
Author: leasj1
Lorelei,

I understand what you are saying, but i have heard a number of people on here asking about the crown heights sso i would prefer it to be above 12%. Although you are right ultimately it will come down to my eyes at the end, but i would like it if all the figures tied together.

I have emailed them asking for a face up and side on picture.

Regards,

John
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Thats fine if you prefer to buy by the numbers, I just wanted to point out that the numbers and crown heights especially with fancy shapes don't always guarantee you a beautiful diamond - and I wouldn't want you to miss out on a lovely stone that you could really be happy with, if the numbers don't match up on paper. Best thing to do then is to use the numbers as a guide, but above all do use your eyes to make your final selection and keep an open mind - for example if you see a diamond you love but it doesn't quite match up with your ideal numbers ( as can happen with these shapes) and the figures don't all tie together, - buy the stone and not the paper. The photos should be useful and give you a decent idea of how the diamond can look, and also make sure your vendor has a good return policy so you can evaluate the diamond to make sure you like it. Also check with your vendor as to the return procedure from Scotland should it be necessary to return the stone.
 
Date: 6/24/2008 4:29:28 PM
Author: leasj1
Ladies,


I suggested in an earlier email to them requesting the crown height and an ideal scope of the diamond and they replied:


I'm afraid we do not have an idealscope image nor the crown height of the

diamond. Emerald cuts generally are not known for their sparkle per se but

rather for symmetry and white flashes of light. If you prefer a stone with

'fire' you'd have to choose a some form of brilliant or modified brilliant

cut. Most of the time when people want idealscope images it is to check the

fire of the stone and to make sure there is no light 'leakage' which makes

the stone darker or duller in certain parts of it. The emerald cut is more

of a 'clean cut' and has different parameters from that of a brilliant cut

with which to judge it's performance. The crown height is also something

that is more associated with a round brilliant rather than an emerald cut.

For this reason the GIA never measures the crown angle of stones other than

the rounds.


Do you think i should request a crown height and take it from there?


Regards,


John
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I very strongly disagree.
Crown height with a proper pavilion is an indication of fire potential in step cuts.
While the classic EC is just there looking, the cut is capable of much more than that.
IS and Regular pictures and aset if you can get one to judge the patterns combined with an acceptable crown height will give you as much performance as an EC can provide and be a lovely lively diamond.
EC's do not have to be stones that are just there.
They can be dazzling and lively and with a little hunting they are out there.
There are dozens of PSers that have bought them.
 
There are better ones out there.
Talk with a vendor that understands the cut, GOG or WF or JA call and work with them to find one.
Tell them your looking for a high crowned EC(10%+), table under 65, with great patterns along with the rest of your desired specs.
 
Hi Leasj1! I have that same setting! I think that one is by facets... but I had a chicago jewler make mine :)

I love it!
 
Julesbeth,

I love it too, i was thinking its like a ingwer but thats only looking through loads of pics. I dont know for certain. Do you know where can find facets? Have you got any pics of your setting?

Regards,

John
 
Hi John,

Here is the link to the emerald cut engagement ring facets makes:

Facets Emerald Cut Engagement Ring

I contacted them at one point when I was looking to re-set my original engagement ring. They don''t sell just the setting so we will have to find a similar setting for you. I''ll see what I can find online for you. Here are pics of my ring - unfortunately they are not the best at all.... https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/yip-finally-pictures-of-my-ec.85612/


here are some solitaire settings: http://www.365-diamond.com/rangeViewer_paged.asp?metalID=2&categoryID=4&designID=500&caratID=1&colourID=3&clarityID=4&sizeID=0&fingersize=Not+sure&tx=1

Gosh... ill keep looking but that is all i can find for now!!!
 
Julesbeth,

lol i know my head is spinning looking at settings as well. I keep coming back to the same one...perhaps its a sign lol.

Regards,

John

Ps. Your ring is lovely. As we say in Scotland its a cracker. ha
 
Thanks John! I am sure the ring you get will be a cracker indeed!

Best of luck!
 
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