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huangt0n

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Hi Psers,

After much heated discussion, my jeweler is allowing me to trade back my diamond for 100% of what I paid for only if I spend $5100. What kind of a diamond can I get for that value? I paid $2300 for a 0.83 diamond that was non certified. The jeweler said that the $5100 would get me a 1 crt or slightly higher, but I wanted some opinions from you guys.

I really do not care if it is certified. I just want something that sparkles decently and is eye clean. Size is also of importance so I would be willing to sacrifice something for the size. Ideally I would like to be close to 1.2 Crt. Please provide some recommendations on what to look for if I am going for a non certified diamond, which I know is not a common thing that PSers would recommend.

Your help is much appreciated!
 
I'm not sure I understand. Can you clarify? Are you spending 5100 EXTRA or total? And what shape are we talking here?

$5100 can get you a certified carat in many shapes depending on the color and clarity...
 
Spending $5100 total for a round brilliant. Sorry for not being clear! Any opinion is welcomed... I just don''t want to get screwed by the jeweler again. : (
 
So unfortunately the problem with many uncertified stones is that there isn't enough information on the "certs" to analyze the cut quality. Because of this an ASET might be your friend, as it would allow you to visually inspect each stone's light return without having to rely on the information from a certificate.

These are the ranges you want to stay in:

depth - 60 - 62% - although you can allow up to 62.4%
table - 54- 57%
crown angle - 34- 35 degrees
pavilion angle - 40.6- 41 degrees
girdle - avoid extremes, look for thin to slightly thick, thin to medium etc
polish and symmetry - very good and above

note - with crown and pavilion angles at the shallower ends ( CA 34- PA 40.6) and steeper ( CA 35- PA 41) check to make sure these angles complement in that particular diamond - eyeballs, Idealscope, trusted vendor input - check as appropriate!

Courtesy of Lorelei. =)
 
What is an ASET? Would the jeweler have it most likely and would let me use it? Also, for some reason I could not see the end of your thought on the ranges I should stay in. Thanks so much for your help!
 
Date: 10/15/2008 6:45:28 PM
Author: huangt0n
What is an ASET? Would the jeweler have it most likely and would let me use it? Also, for some reason I could not see the end of your thought on the ranges I should stay in. Thanks so much for your help!

What can''t you see?

And I wouldn''t count on a jeweler who sounds like a jerk to have an ASET...you''d probably have to buy one.
 
At first I couldnt see the ranges that you listed but I could see everything above. Then after my post, I could see all the ranges. Sorry, I think there was a glitch of some sort.

If they did let me borrow the tool, is there somewhere on this site that explains how to use it? Is it expensive to buy? I tried to do a search, but could not find anything on it.
 
For a round you could also just buy an idealscope too. That's a hair cheaper. But an ASET is much more useful for fancy cuts in case there is ever one of those in the future for you...
 
Ok so I will first check the statistics. If I do find diamonds that fit that range, I will obviously go with it. However, in case there are diamonds that meet some requirement and not others, which of those ranges are more important? For instance, is it imperative that the table size fit that range and I can give and take on the other parts?

What size ctw do you think would be reasonable given the price range? What ranges can I sacrifice to go slightly larger?

Thanks!!
 
Date: 10/15/2008 7:37:29 PM
Author: huangt0n
Ok so I will first check the statistics. If I do find diamonds that fit that range, I will obviously go with it. However, in case there are diamonds that meet some requirement and not others, which of those ranges are more important? For instance, is it imperative that the table size fit that range and I can give and take on the other parts?


What size ctw do you think would be reasonable given the price range? What ranges can I sacrifice to go slightly larger?


Thanks!!

They all work in tandem and are important. Give the jeweler those parameters and tell him he needs to work within them. It''s not hard.

If you want to go larger sacrifice on color or clarity, NOT cut.
 
Hi there,

I think neatfreak gave you great advice (as usual).

Two things I thought about when I read your post is that you might be doubling your budget ( and more) for a very small difference in size. To top it off, you are going to be facing a lot of unknowns dealing with an uncertified diamond.

Although I'm not sure what dimensions your current diamond has, a well cut .83 carat should measure about 6mm while a well cut one carat round is about 6.5mm. Basically, you are going to be spending twice what you have spent already for a very small difference in size. I think I remember some of your prior posts and .5mm might not make a huge difference in a case of DDS. I know this is personal preference but maybe you should consider this before putting even more money in this transaction.

Putting that aside, I know you are not too concerned about the certification but is there a way that you can get access to certified diamonds through your current vendor? That would really take some of the guesswork out.
 
Hi Lesco,

Thanks for mentioning it. Yes, I did consider your point. It seems strange to me that I could purchase two 0.8 diamond for the price of one over 1.0 ctw. However, I also think that so many other people have also chosen to go slightly above 1.0 ctw. So, I haven''t exactly decided what I want to do yet.

The only reason I want to go non certified is to save some money to get a larger stone to justify doubling the budget as you mentioned.

When they get in the 1 to 1.5 ctw range. Is there a size that more justifies the price increase? I guess what I am asking is... does it make more sense to pay an extra $500 lets say to go from 1.1 to 1.2 or will all of those changes be just as insignificant as going from 0.8 to 1.0. My ring size is also a 3.75, if that makes any difference.

Thanks for the help!
 
No, the price will just keep getting steeper.

How about getting 2-3 smaller stones? You will get larger face up area than 1 big stone.
 
Date: 10/15/2008 8:48:52 PM
Author: huangt0n
Hi Lesco,


The only reason I want to go non certified is to save some money to get a larger stone to justify doubling the budget as you mentioned.

Thanks for the help!
you are asking for trouble.
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ask your jeweler why not send the stone to GIA or AGS lab? and after he/she feed you a bunch of BS then you can tell the jeweler to kiss my ***
 
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