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40th anniversary commercial roe v wade

I completely agree with you Kenny! I think they made a mockery of a serious issue. I suppose if they wanted people to talk about the issue, then the commercial will definitely get people talking. Regardless of where people stand on the issue I think it's impossible not to be offended by it.

I haven't read the article that you linked so excuse me if I sound like an idiot, but I thought that the government couldn't overturn a supreme courts decision? Is it different at the state level? Off to read the article....
 
kenny|1358959250|3362323 said:
That ad really makes it look like slimeball horndog men love abortion so they can be promiscuous.
I think that ad is deeply offensive and harms the pro-choice movement.
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Meanwhile it's the women who get hurt, whichever way the pro-life people cut it. Always has been that way.
Was talking to an aquaintance this morning, who mentioned her own mother, after nine children and several miscarriages, finally wrote a desperate letter to her parish priest begging for permission to go on birth control.
The priest advised that she should abstain. The woman felt this would be strongly detrimental to her relationship (and therefore her money for food), so she went on the pill. Somehow the priest found out about it, and this loyal Catholic was excommunicated! After nearly pooping her uterus out for the church!!

It's amazing how almost our entire whole culture is built around men's pursuit of sex! And all the while the woman is left holding the baby, or blamed for the abortion. Why do we wait and wait for a man's proposal? Because it is HIS right to choose, apparently. And all the while as women are risking unplanned pregnancy. I wonder how many women in this day and age feel it is socially acceptable or even possible to develop a relationship to proposal stage, without sex, in mainstream society? The 'risk period' for an unplanned pregnancy seems to blow out further and further, as modern marriage is delayed, generally occurring later in a woman's life than ever before in history.

Women's fertility is treated as a public good, subject to social fashion.
As a younger person I often wondered why women in earlier history co-operated as often as they did re sex.
I mean, most women still had sex, and often before marriage - even when it was very likely that sex would lead almost directly to a life-threatening pregnancy!

I guess it's because survivors tell history. For the survivors of child birth (pre modern medicine), there were strong rewards in terms of power achieved through relations to men, and through child-bearing.

No one wants to be the nerd with no money, no friends and no real prospects, saying 'no thank you'.

In the current - or indeed any! - sexual marketplace, it's unfair to expect women to be punished by with holding access to abortion. Sad as it may be.

Excuse me, I have gone on rather. *ahem* please forgive.
 
Written by kenny » 23 Jan 2013 10:40:
That ad really makes it look like slimeball horndog men love abortion so they can be promiscuous.
I think that ad is deeply offensive and harms the pro-choice movement.


Meanwhile it's the women who get hurt, whichever way the pro-life people cut it. Always has been that way.

Thanks for responding Lara! :)) Though I don't feel that abortion could ever be a serious option for me, I do believe women should have the right to choose. Are you surprised that the Center for Reproductive Rights released the commercial? Personally, I don't think that pro life organizations need to respond to this commercial at all. It appears that the CRR is doing a pretty good job hurting women and the freedom to choose all on their own. I haven't been able to watch the commercial more than a couple of times through, because it's so incredibly creepy to me. Why a pro choice movement would try to make abortions appear worthy of celebrating? I don't know of a single woman who celebrates her abortion, perhaps grateful to have had the freedom to make that choice, but not celebrate. Further I was appalled that they tried to make the act appear sexy! What?? Again any woman I know that I has had an abortion struggled with the decision before and after it had been made and there was nothing sexy about pain they faced in coming to that decision. And as Kenny stated previously by using a man as the only character they imply that men should be thrilled with this victory as if it allows them to not have to take responsibility for their actions, an epidemic in my opinion as seen by the number of single women raising children without support from the fathers. I guess there are lots of things that really bothered me about the commercial. It certainly does little to garner support from pro life groups.
 
Hi there Christina! :) This is a very interesting conversation.
I have a confession to make....I could not watch the ad!!

I find the notion of women having to abort very distressing...
as sex is usually experienced by women as intensely bonding - no doubt a biological mechanism evolved as part of the almost undeniable natural reality that in nine months time a baby is coming - I find the notion of betrayal in sexual relation as intensely disturbing. :roll:

Abortion is, of course, a betrayal of that trust and expectation in love.
It's terribly sad.

But of course nature does that too...
kills women in childbirth, and kills non-viable babies ALL the time, as natural miscarriages.

ETA: I have often thought to myself that I would rather have both my arms amputated with blunt spoons, and then bleed to death, rather than die in the deep pain of childbirth. That there are so many intelligent and capable women, often very young, dying in childbirth right now is an absolute crime of human indifference.
 
Lara, you're right.
It's even more about power than sex.

Men have the power and they want to keep it.
It sucks.
 
I'm as pro-choice as they come, but that ad made me feel slimy and deeply uncomfortable just watching it. Not a good move on their part.
 
I keep thinking I'm missing something in watching that ad, as it made me uncomfortable as well. Was it trying to be funny? What is the benefit of having a man celebrating what is undoubtedly a profoundly life changing issue for a woman? Where are the women celebrating in the ad? Kenny, more and more I wonder who really sponsored this ad. It sure seems like it was designed to put it in the worst possible light, but perhaps I'm missing something? :confused:
 
Wow is that for real? I mean I know people who work in areas of women's reproductive health, and I can't imagine any of them signing off on an ad like that. It really reads more as a pro life ad faking a pro choice ad (what they think pro choice is about). And as far a speculation that it was supposed to be funny, even people who work in these fields joke about this issue. It would be like a pro right to assisted suicide agency showing an ad featuring a young guy holding up a bunch of money, saying thanks for letting his mom off herself so he can get his inheritance early.
 
Wow is that for real? I mean I know people who work in areas of women's reproductive health, and I can't imagine any of them signing off on an ad like that. It really reads more as a pro life ad faking a pro choice ad (what they think pro choice is about). And as far a speculation that it was supposed to be funny, even people who work in these fields don't find it a joking matter.

It would be like a pro right to assisted suicide agency showing an ad featuring a young guy holding up a bunch of money, saying thanks for letting his mom off herself so he can get his inheritance early.
 
part gypsy|1359082785|3363268 said:
Wow is that for real? I mean I know people who work in areas of women's reproductive health, and I can't imagine any of them signing off on an ad like that. It really reads more as a pro life ad faking a pro choice ad (what they think pro choice is about). And as far a speculation that it was supposed to be funny, even people who work in these fields don't find it a joking matter.

It would be like a pro right to assisted suicide agency showing an ad featuring a young guy holding up a bunch of money, saying thanks for letting his mom off herself so he can get his inheritance early.
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I wondered if it was for real as well. A friend sent me a text telling me to watch it but the link was to a religious oriented site,so after watching I figured the same as you....it wasn't real. So I googled it and it popped up everywhere, fox, msn,youtube, etc.with accompanying commentary. It's still hard to believe that someone from the CRR signed off on it but I haven't heard anything from them yet. I imagine that they were hoping for something to get people to talk about and debate the issue, but I wonder if they realized how many people, even in their own camp, would be offended by it. I also think it was a poor decision on their part with several states currently trying to put more restrictions on abortion or abolish it completely.
 
This ad made my skin crawl. I consider myself pro-choice, but ewwww. Just ewwww. Abortions are not to be celebrated, nor are they remotely sexy or titillating. :nono:
 
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