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ringabling

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Why are there so few available online? I just clicked on probably my 10th website today and I can barely find anything about a 2.5 or so.
Obviously I know WF, Bluenile and a few other more commonly discussed websites have some.
But I''ve narrowed it down to one on WF and 2 locally and until DH comes back in town on Friday I thought I''d browse for more in case there''s something I''m missing and pretty much just for fun and they''re so hard to find!
 
Date: 12/12/2007 2:46:43 PM
Author:ringabling

Why are there so few available online? I just clicked on probably my 10th website today and I can barely find anything about a 2.5 or so.
Obviously I know WF, Bluenile and a few other more commonly discussed websites have some.
But I've narrowed it down to one on WF and 2 locally and until DH comes back in town on Friday I thought I'd browse for more in case there's something I'm missing and pretty much just for fun and they're so hard to find!
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Large-sized rough is increasingly rare. Remember, this is naturally occuring raw material. It's not made to order.
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As you likely know, it takes many tons of ore to produce even a carat of diamond rough. Very little is gem quality material and 70-80% of that will finish as diamonds 2cts is exceedingly hard to find...and when it's found the manufacturer wants to get as much yield as possible. Logically, you can save weight if you don't shoot for precise numbers or the best possible cut precision. As such, a lot of the huge diamonds you will see are not of the cut pedigree most Pricescopers would insist on (and you won't often see them online). Would a commercial manufacturer polish a rough diamond into a near-Tolkowsky AGS0 with H&A at a finished weight of 3.88 carats when he could stop at a 4.02 ct diamond of average cut quality? No way. Those pieces of rough are too rare NOT to get the 4ct yield, and most buyers are not aware of the difference in cut quality anyway.

You may be interested in this post and thread, which elaborates on how yield and demand drive diamond cutting decisions.
 
Large, high-quality rough has never been common, and it is in very strong demand right now. There are more players in the market than ever before, and there is just not enough of that stuff to go around.
 
thanks! I sort of figured they didn''t sell as well perhaps so weren''t stocked as much.

Does this mean the market won''t crash after I buy mine since they increasingly difficult to find? LOL!
 
I notice that there are many stones listed in the "price comparison" link up above. [not as many as it seems since many are duplicates, though] You might want to consider a finding a badly cut stone that has your specs and have it recut. For instance, I know that usually Eightstar uses existing cut stones and then recuts them to their standard.
 
I think I''m too much of an instant gratification girl!
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Actually DH is too, we like to search and find quickly and enjoy it immediately!
 
I just did a quick check and there are many,many stones in the 3+ category. Perhaps you gould get the people at WF to get a few in for you to see?
 
Also, have you considered an estate piece? MS Rau has some nice looking stuff as does Khordipour.
 
Date: 12/12/2007 5:13:12 PM
Author: DiamanteBlu
I just did a quick check and there are many,many stones in the 3+ category. Perhaps you gould get the people at WF to get a few in for you to see?
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I get plenty when I do a search here and WF actually has a gorgeous 3-ish carat on hold for me and I have 3 others from them in my "wishlist" file on their website. My local jeweler is holding 2-3 for me as well.
But what I was wondering is why there aren''t more different websites offering them, aside from the few that turn up here in the search.
If I go directly to a jewelers online store, as opposed to using the search at the top of this Forum, seems like most of them have very little to choose from.

KWIM?
{know what I mean?}
 
actually, I just did a search at the top of this page and only got 1 result and it''s the one we''re holding.
My parameters were between 2.7-3.2 carat F-I color and VS2-SI1 clarity.
I was just hoping to find something I hadn''t found yet.
It''s really only for fun because at this point, anyone of the ones I want from WF or my local jeweler would be excellent.
I just didn''t want to leave any leaf unturned and I was just surprised that the market is small for this size.
 
Some jewelry stores do have them in stock depending on their target market. When I was in Cartier in NYC there was no shortage of large stones [7+ carats]. You can even find them in a few stores here in Boston.

The problem with most stores is that they don''t have a high turnover for such goods so it does not make sense to for them to tie up their capital that way. It is much more cost effective for them to get such stones in on memo on an as needed basis.
 
viewing MSRau''s now . . . beautiful pieces!
 
Diamond Cutters and Polihers are adept at hitting magic price points where they earn more per carat.
This chart will be in the new carat wt tutorial

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Date: 12/12/2007 6:39:46 PM
Author: JohnQuixote
Great chart Garry.
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what about a more recent chart..., say December 2007?
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ETA: I've decided I don't need to have an opinion about everything
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Date: 12/12/2007 8:32:42 PM
Author: risingsun
ETA: I''ve decided I don''t need to have an opinion about everything
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oh come on!!!
I love opinions!
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I know you BTW - not to freak you out
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Date: 12/12/2007 8:51:50 PM
Author: ringabling




Date: 12/12/2007 8:32:42 PM
Author: risingsun
ETA: I've decided I don't need to have an opinion about everything
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oh come on!!!
I love opinions!
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I know you BTW - not to freak you out
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LOL. I know you know me
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When I need advice on something soft and smooshy to carry on my shoulder, I'll be asking you for help
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What I wanted to say is that the ACA being held for you , in my opinion as an ACA owner, is a truly beautiful and top quality diamond. I don't think you are seeing too many of these types of diamonds, because they are rare in most markets. Finding one of this size and cut quality is even more difficult. Some people have had to wait for such stones to become available. I'm being cautious, because I don't want to "over" influence you in such an importance purchase. As I mentioned earlier, you can have the diamond sent, appraised and have ten days to make a decision. I can't believe you're getting a 3 ct...I'm soooo jealous
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LMBO!
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I am SO transparent, aren''t I?!
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Now hopefully DH pulls through for me!
It should still be 3 carats, but I''ve been trying to persuade w/o annoying him to get this H&A stone!
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Keep your opinions coming por favor!
 
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I don''t see why he should be put off. He wants you to have an upgrade, so why not this one
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BTW: I really do need your advice...I''ll speak to you "over there."
 
he really wanted to do this for me. He didn't really want me involved at all. . . but it'll be perched on my finger for a long time and I didn't want any surprises. I mean, he was very close to pulling the trigger on an I, "Good" cut, per the ever so reliable IGI labs
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from Jared's
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I was almost ready too, until my gut told me to wake up and do some research! And thank gawd I did!
He likes to reserach but his job is killing him right now. I was telling Traci from WF about it today. . .poor guy.
But anyhow, he really wanted to be able to do it for me, w/o me involved much So, via e-mail, I've presented him w/ my few favorite options, now it's up to him
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:fingercrossed:
 
Date: 12/12/2007 9:37:57 PM
Author: ringabling
he really wanted to do this for me. He didn''t really want me involved at all. . . but it''ll be perched on my finger for a long time and I didn''t want any surprises. I mean, he was very close to pulling the trigger on an I, ''Good'' cut, per the ever so reliable IGI labs
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from Jared''s
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I was almost ready too, until my gut told me to wake up and do some research! And thank gawd I did!
He likes to reserach but his job is killing him right now. I was telling Traci from WF about it today. . .poor guy.
But anyhow, he really wanted to be able to do it for me, w/o me involved much So, via e-mail, I''ve presented him w/ my few favorite options, now it''s up to him
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:fingercrossed:
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OMG...a good cut from Jared''s with an IGI grading report
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We have to save him--and you--from making a huge mistake!! IGI is not a highly regarded lab and Jared''s doesn''t have a very good reputation on PS. Let me know if I can help. He really needs to listen to what you''ve learned about diamonds. In this case, doing it on his own, while a wonderful sentiment, isn''t the way to go
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Date: 12/12/2007 10:15:10 PM
Author: risingsun

Date: 12/12/2007 9:37:57 PM
Author: ringabling
he really wanted to do this for me. He didn''t really want me involved at all. . . but it''ll be perched on my finger for a long time and I didn''t want any surprises. I mean, he was very close to pulling the trigger on an I, ''Good'' cut, per the ever so reliable IGI labs
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from Jared''s
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I was almost ready too, until my gut told me to wake up and do some research! And thank gawd I did!
He likes to reserach but his job is killing him right now. I was telling Traci from WF about it today. . .poor guy.
But anyhow, he really wanted to be able to do it for me, w/o me involved much So, via e-mail, I''ve presented him w/ my few favorite options, now it''s up to him
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:fingercrossed:
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OMG...a good cut from Jared''s with an IGI grading report
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We have to save him--and you--from making a huge mistake!! IGI is not a highly regarded lab and Jared''s doesn''t have a very good reputation on PS. Let me know if I can help. He really needs to listen to what you''ve learned about diamonds. In this case, doing it on his own, while a wonderful sentiment, isn''t the way to go
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oh, trust me! It''s not happening!! LOL! He sent me over to drop off my current ring to see about them buying it and to put 20% down on that stone while they mounted it and appraised my current one, like a holding fee I guess.
I went saw it and never went back.
I felt so terrible because I think he was excited about it.
The only reason he had me go was because he flew out that morning and couldn''t himself. THANK GAWD!!!
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I quickly signed up here and searched my keister off ALL DAY before breaking the news to him.
Now he knows!
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We actually aren''t ignorant about diamonds. He''s a pretty hardcore personality and once he decides he wants to do something, he makes it happen very fast.
On Sunday he decided he wanted to get it done and I think because he knew he was leaving the next day for a week his decision was rushed. Also, the size mesmerized him a little I think - 3.68.
I visited my local jeweler, she''s young and very good so I could spill it to her and she got moving quickly to locate some stones as did Traci from WF.
Now the ball is in his court. . . hope he does me right! LOL!
Better not downsize me w/o asking!
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Date: 12/12/2007 11:23:54 PM
Author: ringabling

We actually aren't ignorant about diamonds. He's a pretty hardcore personality and once he decides he wants to do something, he makes it happen very fast.
On Sunday he decided he wanted to get it done and I think because he knew he was leaving the next day for a week his decision was rushed. Also, the size mesmerized him a little I think - 3.68.
I visited my local jeweler, she's young and very good so I could spill it to her and she got moving quickly to locate some stones as did Traci from WF.
Now the ball is in his court. . . hope he does me right! LOL!
Better not downsize me w/o asking!
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Whew!! You dodged a bullet on that dog of a diamond--nothing meant to offend actual dogs
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Well, this is really getting exciting. Let me know what's happening!! Just don't let DH know that you're getting advice on diamonds from an alpaca, wearing a santa cap, on an internet forum
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Date: 12/12/2007 6:01:50 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
Diamond Cutters and Polihers are adept at hitting magic price points where they earn more per carat.

This chart will be in the new carat wt tutorial
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ROTFL! I had always "known" this [hence my penchant for staying below the successive integer carat level!]. The chart makes it so clear! Thanks for posting it!
 
Date: 12/12/2007 9:37:57 PM
Author: ringabling
he really wanted to do this for me. He didn''t really want me involved at all. . . but it''ll be perched on my finger for a long time and I didn''t want any surprises. I mean, he was very close to pulling the trigger on an I, ''Good'' cut, per the ever so reliable IGI labs
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from Jared''s
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I was almost ready too, until my gut told me to wake up and do some research! And thank gawd I did!

He likes to reserach but his job is killing him right now. I was telling Traci from WF about it today. . .poor guy.

But anyhow, he really wanted to be able to do it for me, w/o me involved much So, via e-mail, I''ve presented him w/ my few favorite options, now it''s up to him
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Oyyyy! I''m glad you have "redirected" him! Let us know how it goes!
 
It is very difficult to find large stones of excellent cut quality. John''s reply was excellent in this regard, and Garry''s chart helps too. You can find 3+ carat stones, but it can take months to find a truly well cut one. Many on this board have taken months to find a well cut one. It sounds like you are on the right track if you already have some well cut ones located!
 
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