3.39 Ct rock -- HELP!

[adrienne1]

Hi there!

I came across this diamond, which looks pretty nice, but I''m a novice so thought I''d get some advice from this forum!



Here''re the GIA specs:

3.39 Carats

Shape and Cut: ROUND BRILLIANT

Color: E

Clarity: VS2

Measurements: 9.42 - 9.57 X 5.89mm

Depth: 62.0%

Table: 64%

Girdle: SLIGHTLY THICK TO THICK, FACETED

Culet: SMALL Polish: GOOD

Symmetry: GOOD

Fluorescence: STRONG BLUE




1) Is this a poor cut, from what you can tell from the Depth and Table values?

2) Will the strong blue fluorescence cause it to look cloudy in daylight?

3) Any other comments in general?




Thank you all so much for your help! This forum has been immensely helpful!

 

[fire&ice]

The table & depth are well outside of ideal proportions. The strong blue fluor should discount the price of this stone in an E. The symmetry is a bit out of round. The girdle is pretty thick.

Can you provide any other information such as the crown & pavillion angles? Because just from the presented information, the stone may not be a good make.

 

[adrienne1]

Hi thanks for your reply. I don't have the pavillion and crown angles right now, only the GIA specs.
I probably can get quite a good deal for this diamond, how much of a discount would you expect from the strong blue fluorescence?
Would 20+k be an alright price, supposing this were merely an average cut, say 3A or 3B? I hope I'm not offending anyone here, as I know many of you wouldn't touch anything less than an ideal cut, I'm just wondering if I'm getting swindled for that ball park figure of $20k.

 

[fire&ice]

This is a diamond that must be seen to make any evaluation at all. The strong blue may affect the appearance of this diamond. The stone needs to be viewed in various lights including direct & indirect sunlight.

As far as price, 20k is quite a bit of money. Will you be having it independently appraised? Are you buying from someone locally? Also, you have to decide how much you are willing to sacrifice on cut. I really can't comment on the price without seeing the stone. Just from the information, 20k for an E/VS2 3.3 c stone sounds good - but it may be discounted for a real reason - don't know.

 

[valeria101]

This is a 50% discount you are gettign (20k)! No way this is only about fluorescence, unless there is ton of it: and it isn't it would be "very strong" if it was really outside the scale. Something makes this stone hard to sell outright: you must see what before buying given this kind of question mark. There must be some departure from one's expectation of a large, perfectly white and clear brilliant there.

I would understand 10% discount of fluorescence but 50? This rock is just good for display specimen at this price

And no, I am not taking into account anywhere, any kind of premium on cut quality.

If this is a straight deal that it surely is one. Things to check would be: who certified the stone?, does the object correspond to the certificate? can you have an appraiser inspect the stone while still having the option to return it (escrow comes to mind). And why not a Sarin report on it? The price is good enough for no cutting at all, let alone a bad RBC... and maybe the piece could stand improvement so that you get both the bargain and a great cut. I truly doubt all these checks will hold, but by all means tehy are worth trying. Hope someone can help further with how bargains are to be handled

 

[adrienne1]

The stone has a GIA cert. I'm not sure why the price is so discounted either.

The seller is overseas, and doesn't trust escrow services. I've contacted the seller to check if he's willing to send the ring to a mutually agreed upon independent appraiser before shipment. Thanks for your advice!

 

[caratgirl]

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On 1/22/2004 1:00:14 PM adrienne1 wrote:

The stone has a GIA cert. I'm not sure why the price is so discounted either.

The seller is overseas, and doesn't trust escrow services. I've contacted the seller to check if he's willing to send the ring to a mutually agreed upon independent appraiser before shipment. Thanks for your advice!----------------

If he won't send it to an appraiser and he won't use escrow even if you pay for it, then run. Some purchases are just too risky for that kind of money.

 

[adrienne1]

Yeah I can't think of why he wouldn't agree to send the rock for an appraisal unless it's not real (god forbid), it doesn't correspond to the GIA cert, or he has tons of other buyers...

Oh well, I just have to wait for his reply.

Thanks again for all the responses!

 

[adrienne1]

He wanted me to wire him half the sum before sending it to an appraiser and didn't seem interested in discussing which appraiser it should be sent to either!
It just didn't sound right so I guess the deal's off.

 

[mdx]

adrienne1
Don’t touch it, it’s looks like a scam, No genuine vendor works that way.
There have been many scams like this originating from South Africa. They often download a copy of the cert from the net and ask you to send a personal money transfer to a travel agency.

Johan
Melbourne Diamond Exchange Ltd

 

[newenglandgemlab]

Hi,
If I were a retailer selling this stone I would have it recut to ideal proportions and then sell. It would make an awesome stone out of it and it is not that expensive. Possibly the fluorescence is why he is not having that done? Cindy

 

[valeria101]

This is too good a deal to TAKE...
You have the option to either get a chunk of something for 20K or send through the window half that (not to mention the option of just loosing all the money). Sincethe seller is not willing to ofer basic safety (escrow and appraisal) and you have no other reason to trust them (past buys of simmilar magnitude, their reputation as a well established business against which you can have recourse, whatever) no way! An no, I would not expect there is a line-up of customers for this stone so the seller can just ignore your offer for that reason.

If the only way to make the transaction "safe" is bet 10k on it. maybe consider some charity instead? For the price difference between this stone and a "safe" counterpart you can fly yor seller to the US, diamond anad all.


All this aside: Is it possible to have a diamond transfered from seller to buyer via a grading LAb (EGL, AGS, GIA or such) with escrow pending on the confirmation of greades? Or no lab would ship the diamond on order to anyone else but the address where they got it from? Otherwise, getting both buyer and seller to trust an random small overseas business (appraiser) does sound tricky... No idea about this, just one more Q for all parties involved +the lab.

 

[adrienne1]

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On 1/23/2004 8:03:21 AM valeria101 wrote:


All this aside: Is it possible to have a diamond transfered from seller to buyer via a grading LAb (EGL, AGS, GIA or such) with escrow pending on the confirmation of greades? Or no lab would ship the diamond on order to anyone else but the address where they got it from? Otherwise, getting both buyer and seller to trust an random small overseas business (appraiser) does sound tricky... No idea about this, just one more Q for all parties involved +the lab.----------------

I tried again to contact the seller to clarify if he will be willing to send it to a grading lab but he didn't reply. I suppose it was a scam...oh well. thanks you guys!

 

[harleywoman]

I haven't been on the diamond forums long enough to hear, but scams exactly like this have been going on with Harley's for about a year and a half. It's gotten bad enough that a bunch of people have lost their money and it's completely killed the legitimate ebay Harley business. The details of your deal were identical, just substitute a diamond for a Harley. I wouldn't touch it. You could end up out the money and with no stone good, bad or otherwise.

 

[diamondsman]

All I can think of is the saying:
"If it's too good to be true it probably is."

 

[LadyHawk]

Is this the same diamond?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2686412242&category=10216

 

[adrienne1]

Yes it is. But it wasn't being sold on eBay then. Now I am confused as to who's scamming who. I don't know if both sellers are the same person. ???



Edited to say that it's most likely the seller downloaded the GIA cert off this guy's eBay auction and tried to sell it to me I suppose.