3.04 I SI2 Eye Clean beauty

[Vinche]

what do you think of my beauty that I'm purchasing? It's a 3.04 I color, SI2 eye clean which I saw in person. In person it's much whiter, the video that was sent to me seems to make the diamond have a hint of yellow but maybe it's the reflections? Excellent cut across the board. It was extremely difficult to get an eye clean diamond in this clarity range!

 

[flyingpig]

Yeap. The lighting is warm and you are seeing yellow reflections

 

[OoohShiny]

Camera settings, video processing settings, your monitor settings... all of these can introduce changes to the colour of an object being filmed / photographed.

 

[Vinche]

Yes very true, I can’t wait to receive the diamond. The video scared me a bit but I believe it is environmental reflections. I spend 3 hours inspecting the diamond in person along side 5 other diamonds and this one was completely eye clean. the inclusions do not include black spots or clouds so I felt very lucky to find this one. And it looked super white in person. Thanks for your feedback I truly appreciate it !

 

[Vinche]

Yeap. The lighting is warm and you are seeing yellow reflections

I believe to be true. They have other diamonds on their YouTube channel that have better color gradings that look similar to mine. The diamonds were filmed in the same location and I see the reflections in those diamonds too. So I feel more confident that it is the environment

 

[sledge]

As noted by @OoohShiny, the video equipment itself could have altered the color. Just the other day I snapped some photos of a plastic ring that got sent to me for review. It was really dark green, but came out like an aqua green.

Sorry ladies, I only know "man colors" so even saying aqua green was a stretch.

By the way, nice find a 3 carat eye clean SI2. I'm sure you searched for awhile. Got any more specs to share with us? Cut quality, angles, etc? Would love to see more.

 

[Vinche]

As noted by @OoohShiny, the video equipment itself could have altered the color. Just the other day I snapped some photos of a plastic ring that got sent to me for review. It was really dark green, but came out like an aqua green.

Sorry ladies, I only know "man colors" so even saying aqua green was a stretch.

By the way, nice find a 3 carat eye clean SI2. I'm sure you searched for awhile. Got any more specs to share with us? Cut quality, angles, etc? Would love to see more.

Thank you for your feedback! I will definitely post specs as soon as they email me the GIA report, they said it’s Excellent across the board and AGS 0 light leakage I believe? I only wanted an ideal cut in this color range and color grade. I went to GoodOldGold

 

[sledge]

You bought a 3 carat stone sight unseen and without looking at the GIA cert to confirm angles, etc? What is their return policy in case you don't like the stone?

Not trying to make you feel bad by any stretch. I'm just not trusting of people until I get to know them, and I see any jeweler as having a vested interest in your purchase decision. I've never dealt with GoG, but I've heard many good things about them. So I don't think you have anything to worry about. Just that is outside my own comfort zone for a purchase of that value.

 

[Vinche]

You bought a 3 carat stone sight unseen and without looking at the GIA cert to confirm angles, etc? What is their return policy in case you don't like the stone?

Not trying to make you feel bad by any stretch. I'm just not trusting of people until I get to know them, and I see any jeweler as having a vested interest in your purchase decision. I've never dealt with GoG, but I've heard many good things about them. So I don't think you have anything to worry about. Just that is outside my own comfort zone for a purchase of that value.

No, I actually went to GOG, I’m in NJ and they are located in Long Island, so not too far of a drive. I went and saw the diamond in person and saw the GIA report but I can’t remeber the specs. They are great there. I was actually in the store for 3 hours looking at multiple diamonds and comparing side by side. We did all the tests there too, the red light test, they also have a machine that shows you the grading of the diamond (I can’t remember what all these machines and tests are called) but everything checked out or came out even better that the GIA report. They sent me the video after I viewed the diamond bc I requested one. The video threw me off bc the diamond looked much whiter in person and we even brought it to the window away from the store lighting while I was there.

I’m the same way, I can’t buy something I haven’t seen first hand

 

[sledge]

Phew, so glad to hear that @Vinche!

I'm going to guess you saw some of these images....

ASET images = determines performance

Idealscope = light performance & symmetry

Hearts & Arrows = symmetry and will determine the best cut stones. FYI, the arrows image is from the top down and identifies the crown angle. The heart image is just the opposite and looking at the bottom of the stone and identifies the pavilion angle.

 

[Vinche]

Phew, so glad to hear that @Vinche!

I'm going to guess you saw some of these images....

ASET images = determines performance

Idealscope = light performance & symmetry

Hearts & Arrows = symmetry and will determine the best cut stones. FYI, the arrows image is from the top down and identifies the crown angle. The heart image is just the opposite and looking at the bottom of the stone and identifies the pavilion angle.

Awe thanks Yes this is what I saw! Everything checked out when viewed these tests in person

 

[Emeraldsaremyfavorite]

I think you will be just fine! Congratulations!!

 

[Vinche]

I think you will be just fine! Congratulations!!

Thank you! I think so too but it’s just so hard not to second guess yourself or get worried with such a big purchase lol .... I can’t wait to have it in my hands but that won’t be until early July ugh. I had a custom setting made and I’ll be on vacation so waiting is just what I’ll have to do. As soon as I get it I’ll post pics!

 

[Vinche]

As noted by @OoohShiny, the video equipment itself could have altered the color. Just the other day I snapped some photos of a plastic ring that got sent to me for review. It was really dark green, but came out like an aqua green.

Sorry ladies, I only know "man colors" so even saying aqua green was a stretch.

By the way, nice find a 3 carat eye clean SI2. I'm sure you searched for awhile. Got any more specs to share with us? Cut quality, angles, etc? Would love to see more.

As noted by @OoohShiny, the video equipment itself could have altered the color. Just the other day I snapped some photos of a plastic ring that got sent to me for review. It was really dark green, but came out like an aqua green.

Sorry ladies, I only know "man colors" so even saying aqua green was a stretch.

By the way, nice find a 3 carat eye clean SI2. I'm sure you searched for awhile. Got any more specs to share with us? Cut quality, angles, etc? Would love to see more.

Update Specs

GIA Graded
Measurements: 9.21 - 9.27 x 5.75
Carat Weight 3.04
Color I
Clarity SI2
Cut Grade Excellent

Depth 62.2%
TAble 58%
Crown angle 36.0
Crown height 15.5%
Pavilion Angle 40.8
Pavilion Depth 43.0%
Star length 50%
Lower Half 80%
Girdle medium to slightly thick, faceted, 3.5%
Culet: None
inclusions are twinning wisps, crystal, feather, cloud, needle

Polish excellent
Symmetry excellent
Fluorescence none

Then they did an AGS report
Brightness, leakage, dispersion all came out to 0.00, contrast was 0.33 but still ideal
And overall it was graded as an AGS Ideal Cut


I would love to hear your thoughts, any issues with the specs?

 

[sledge]

Do you know the GIA certificate number? If so, we can go to their website and pull it to get a view of the inclusions. Being an SI2, I'd just want to make sure those clouds and other items aren't causing any haziness. You've seen it, so you are probably the best judge.

Using the table, crown angle & pavilion angle we can see that it falls somewhere in an excellent to ideal cut range. I drew a larger box than where the lines meet because GIA uses averages & rounding so without the Sarine report it's difficult to tell much more.



Unfortunately, it looks like it may fall outside the parameters for a H&A diamond, but just slightly. This doesn't always matter to everyone, I just want to make sure you didn't pay the H&A premium is all. In fact, I almost bought a "near H&A" stone myself from WF. When compared against a few of their super ideal ACA H&A stones, it actually did better. The gemologist was surprised at how well it did. Ultimately I ended up buying a BGD super ideal because specs, price, etc just lined up right.

http://www.heartsandarrows.com/hearts-arrows-diamond-ideal-cut-dna.aspx

 

[gm89uk]

I think this seemingly rare eye clean 3 ct SI2 will have a great price/carat to achieve carat size.

The AGS proportion chart is not useful in this situation as they have already run ray tracing on the stone and it has achieved AGS0. While it may not achieve H&A it is a great performer that allows the OP to achieve 3 carats+ within budget.

 

[sledge]

I think this seemingly rare eye clean 3 ct SI2 will have a great price/carat to achieve carat size.

The AGS proportion chart is not useful in this situation as they have already run ray tracing on the stone and it has achieved AGS0. While it may not achieve H&A it is a great performer that allows the OP to achieve 3 carats+ within budget.

Totally agree about great price/carat!

But wouldn't the chart still be valid? I showed a box of excellent to ideal range cut, depending on specifics. I agree, if you just follow the lines it would be inaccurate. An AGS0 is ideal cut so it falls within the category I boxed in.

Like you, at 3 carats I wouldn't be too hung up on it not being a H&A stone. I only mentioned it as I didn't want the OP to pay a premium for H&A and not get it. I apologize if another thread exists that explains this and I missed it.

 

[Vinche]

Do you know the GIA certificate number? If so, we can go to their website and pull it to get a view of the inclusions. Being an SI2, I'd just want to make sure those clouds and other items aren't causing any haziness. You've seen it, so you are probably the best judge.

Using the table, crown angle & pavilion angle we can see that it falls somewhere in an excellent to ideal cut range. I drew a larger box than where the lines meet because GIA uses averages & rounding so without the Sarine report it's difficult to tell much more.



Unfortunately, it looks like it may fall outside the parameters for a H&A diamond, but just slightly. This doesn't always matter to everyone, I just want to make sure you didn't pay the H&A premium is all. In fact, I almost bought a "near H&A" stone myself from WF. When compared against a few of their super ideal ACA H&A stones, it actually did better. The gemologist was surprised at how well it did. Ultimately I ended up buying a BGD super ideal because specs, price, etc just lined up right.

http://www.heartsandarrows.com/hearts-arrows-diamond-ideal-cut-dna.aspx

Thank you so much for all the information. The GIA report number is 7252246925 ... the price was 28k, does that seem like a fair price for an almost H&A diamond? I also added a screen shot of the AGS report and the GIA report where it shows the inclusions above. It’s funny because I realized that it didnt look completely like a H&A but I did not realize that this could affect cost. Again, I truly appreciate your help!

 

[yssie]

What is the source of the detail that it’s “almost H&A” - did GOG tell you this?

Price is fine. You are not paying for a precision cut stone and you will not receive a precision-cut stone. Sure, the stone is listed at slightly lower cost on other sites, but they will not do the inspections and scans GOG did - additional information which, in my opinion, is well worth the premium when dealing with a stone like this.

 

[Vinche]

GOG did not market this stone as a H&A. My only requirment was that I got a 3 carat eye clean stone with ideal light performance in a 28k budget, color had to be an I or better. I actually don’t mind that it’s not a H&A, I actually like that it’s unique and that the light performance didn’t suffer for it ... I also wanted to add that GOG has been great to work with

 

[Vinche]

What is the source of the detail that it’s “almost H&A” - did GOG tell you this?

Price is fine. You are not paying for a precision cut stone and you will not receive a precision-cut stone. Sure, the stone is listed at slightly lower cost on other sites, but they will not do the inspections and scans GOG did - additional information which, in my opinion, is well worth the premium when dealing with a stone like this.

Sorry I forgot to quote you , I replied to your questions, it’s in the thread.

 

[gm89uk]

Does that one not look full of blemishes on the front?

Totally agree about great price/carat!

But wouldn't the chart still be valid? I showed a box of excellent to ideal range cut, depending on specifics.

The chart is just a guide to what it may be, but ultimately the ray tracing trumps whatever the chart says.

In this instance, the AGSL proportion tables suggest excellent, but the ray-tracing suggests ideal cut.