2ct Chunky Cushion Cut

[anothercluelessguy]

I am looking at a chunky cushion cut and not sure if the price is a bit on the high side or not. I just looked at the stone today and it''s SI1 eyeclean and a beautiful stone with amazing sparkles but I am no diamond expert. I love the stone very much but looking around many online retailers the price I got for this stones seems a bit high. Is a chunky cushion cut a bit more expensive than a regular cushion cut?

$15,000
GIA Grading Report
Shape and Cutting Style: Cushion Brilliant
Cut: Premium
Measurements: 7.34x7.33x4.89
Carat Weight: 2.01
Color Grade: H
Clarity Grade: SI1
Finish: Very Good
Symmetry: Good
Fluorescence: None

 

[Kaleigh]

Date: 7/30/2009 12:19:23 AM
Author:anothercluelessguy
I am looking at a chunky cushion cut and not sure if the price is a bit on the high side or not. I just looked at the stone today and it''s SI1 eyeclean and a beautiful stone with amazing sparkles but I am no diamond expert. I love the stone very much but looking around many online retailers the price I got for this stones seems a bit high. Is a chunky cushion cut a bit more expensive than a regular cushion cut?

$15,000
GIA Grading Report
Shape and Cutting Style: Cushion Brilliant
Cut: Premium
Measurements: 7.34x7.33x4.89
Carat Weight: 2.01
Color Grade: H
Clarity Grade: SI1
Finish: Very Good
Symmetry: Good
Fluorescence: None

The price seems fair to me, you saw it and loved it. Have any pics for us???

 

[ChunkyCushionLover]

Date: 7/30/2009 12:19:23 AM
Author:anothercluelessguy
I am looking at a chunky cushion cut and not sure if the price is a bit on the high side or not. I just looked at the stone today and it''s SI1 eyeclean and a beautiful stone with amazing sparkles but I am no diamond expert. I love the stone very much but looking around many online retailers the price I got for this stones seems a bit high. Is a chunky cushion cut a bit more expensive than a regular cushion cut?

$15,000
GIA Grading Report
Shape and Cutting Style: Cushion Brilliant
Cut: Premium
Measurements: 7.34x7.33x4.89
Carat Weight: 2.01
Color Grade: H
Clarity Grade: SI1
Finish: Very Good
Symmetry: Good
Fluorescence: None

Cushion Brilliants are more expensive than cushion modified brilliants(much more common) so yes they are.
Perfectly square cushions also are more expensive than rectangular ones.
When you get up to stones of this size the appearance and optics can make a big difference in price.
There is no cut grade for cushions but if you post some pictres and an ASET we could tell you more.

 

[anothercluelessguy]

oops, the cut grading was my mistake. I cut and pasted from some other post and forgot to edit that line...

unfortunately I don''t have any photos. maybe it''s a good thing so I don''t go crazy looking at them over and over.

anyways, thanks for explaining about some of the attributes that might cause the higher price. It totally makes sense. now i can sleep better!

 

[ChunkyCushionLover]

Date: 7/30/2009 12:46:00 AM
Author: anothercluelessguy
oops, the cut grading was my mistake. I cut and pasted from some other post and forgot to edit that line...

unfortunately I don''t have any photos. maybe it''s a good thing so I don''t go crazy looking at them over and over.

anyways, thanks for explaining about some of the attributes that might cause the higher price. It totally makes sense. now i can sleep better!

Out of curiosity which of these facet plots do you see on your GIA certificate?
Also if you are 15 minutes from Mark at ERD I would highly suggest you go to see him at the very least it will be educational.

Regards,
CCL

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 7/30/2009 12:19:23 AM
Author:anothercluelessguy
I am looking at a chunky cushion cut and not sure if the price is a bit on the high side or not. I just looked at the stone today and it''s SI1 eyeclean and a beautiful stone with amazing sparkles but I am no diamond expert. I love the stone very much but looking around many online retailers the price I got for this stones seems a bit high. Is a chunky cushion cut a bit more expensive than a regular cushion cut?

$15,000
GIA Grading Report
Shape and Cutting Style: Cushion Brilliant
Cut: Premium
Measurements: 7.34x7.33x4.89
Carat Weight: 2.01
Color Grade: H
Clarity Grade: SI1
Finish: Very Good
Symmetry: Good
Fluorescence: None

Then its well worth considering for purchase provided you have looked at others and are sure of what you want.

 

[diagem]

Date: 7/30/2009 12:29:17 AM
Author: ChunkyCushionLover

Date: 7/30/2009 12:19:23 AM
Author:anothercluelessguy
I am looking at a chunky cushion cut and not sure if the price is a bit on the high side or not. I just looked at the stone today and it's SI1 eyeclean and a beautiful stone with amazing sparkles but I am no diamond expert. I love the stone very much but looking around many online retailers the price I got for this stones seems a bit high. Is a chunky cushion cut a bit more expensive than a regular cushion cut?

$15,000
GIA Grading Report
Shape and Cutting Style: Cushion Brilliant
Cut: Premium
Measurements: 7.34x7.33x4.89
Carat Weight: 2.01
Color Grade: H
Clarity Grade: SI1
Finish: Very Good
Symmetry: Good
Fluorescence: None

Cushion Brilliants are more expensive than cushion modified brilliants(much more common) so yes they are.

Partly true..., so not *always* the case.

Perfectly square cushions also are more expensive than rectangular ones.
Not always the case either..., depends on the buyers preference combined with the type of Cushion.

When you get up to stones of this size the appearance and optics can make a big difference in price.
There is no cut grade for cushions but if you post some pictres and an ASET we could tell you more.


ETA: CCL, you must remember there are NO straight rules when Cushions are the subject!

 

[ChunkyCushionLover]

Date: 7/30/2009 7:15:16 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 7/30/2009 12:29:17 AM
Author: ChunkyCushionLover

Date: 7/30/2009 12:19:23 AM
Author:anothercluelessguy
I am looking at a chunky cushion cut and not sure if the price is a bit on the high side or not. I just looked at the stone today and it's SI1 eyeclean and a beautiful stone with amazing sparkles but I am no diamond expert. I love the stone very much but looking around many online retailers the price I got for this stones seems a bit high. Is a chunky cushion cut a bit more expensive than a regular cushion cut?

$15,000
GIA Grading Report
Shape and Cutting Style: Cushion Brilliant
Cut: Premium
Measurements: 7.34x7.33x4.89
Carat Weight: 2.01
Color Grade: H
Clarity Grade: SI1
Finish: Very Good
Symmetry: Good
Fluorescence: None

Cushion Brilliants are more expensive than cushion modified brilliants(much more common) so yes they are.

Partly true..., so not *always* the case.

Perfectly square cushions also are more expensive than rectangular ones.
Not always the case either..., depends on the buyers preference combined with the type of Cushion.

When you get up to stones of this size the appearance and optics can make a big difference in price.
There is no cut grade for cushions but if you post some pictres and an ASET we could tell you more.


ETA: CCL, you must remember there are NO straight rules when Cushions are the subject!

Maybe you would prefer this phrasing?

Cushion Brilliants OFTEN are more expensive than cushion modified brilliants(much more common). (Given the same Carat Weight, Color and Clarity) Which is exactly the search this consumer did.
Perfectly square cushions OFTEN are more expensive than Rectangular Ones.

We disagree fundamenatally on the way a novice consumer who posts a question like this should be answered.

1st school:

"I wouldn't dare mention a trend or piece of information as it would be subject to scrutiny and may not be popular or functional in all cases. I am afraid that there are too many exceptions so lets keep the consumer confused and just say trust the vendor or you must be advised by an expert, or there isn't enough information to tell if the price is reasonable or not."

2nd school

"I will give a trend to the consumer and it will give them a rational rule to work from even though the model may be imperfect and sometimes the wrong conclusion can be drawn from the rule or an exception will not fit the trend. Overall the customers is better off knowing the general trend with caveats than not knowing any rule at all"

You take your pick but you really didn't do anything in your post to help me or the consumer. I ALREADY KNOW the chaos in pricing and in picking cushions by the numbers, but I also see some coherence in the chaos and I have no problem sharing it to benefit a consumers especially when it comes to pricing.

A respected vendor here told me about a month ago that the same width rough of a perfect square cushion could be instead cut as a Princess and thus the price for that rough would be more than the thinner piece use for a rectangular cushion. I'd be interested to hear about your experience with optimizing rough and how it pertains to pricing instead of the staus quo and totally useless "There are no trends in cushions".

 

[diagem]

Date: 7/30/2009 5:22:32 PM
Author: ChunkyCushionLover

Date: 7/30/2009 7:15:16 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 7/30/2009 12:29:17 AM
Author: ChunkyCushionLover

Date: 7/30/2009 12:19:23 AM
Author:anothercluelessguy
I am looking at a chunky cushion cut and not sure if the price is a bit on the high side or not. I just looked at the stone today and it's SI1 eyeclean and a beautiful stone with amazing sparkles but I am no diamond expert. I love the stone very much but looking around many online retailers the price I got for this stones seems a bit high. Is a chunky cushion cut a bit more expensive than a regular cushion cut?

$15,000
GIA Grading Report
Shape and Cutting Style: Cushion Brilliant
Cut: Premium
Measurements: 7.34x7.33x4.89
Carat Weight: 2.01
Color Grade: H
Clarity Grade: SI1
Finish: Very Good
Symmetry: Good
Fluorescence: None

Cushion Brilliants are more expensive than cushion modified brilliants(much more common) so yes they are.

Partly true..., so not *always* the case.

Perfectly square cushions also are more expensive than rectangular ones.
Not always the case either..., depends on the buyers preference combined with the type of Cushion.

When you get up to stones of this size the appearance and optics can make a big difference in price.
There is no cut grade for cushions but if you post some pictres and an ASET we could tell you more.


ETA: CCL, you must remember there are NO straight rules when Cushions are the subject!

Maybe you would prefer this phrasing?

Cushion Brilliants OFTEN are more expensive than cushion modified brilliants(much more common). (Given the same Carat Weight, Color and Clarity) Which is exactly the search this consumer did.
Perfectly square cushions OFTEN are more expensive than Rectangular Ones.

We disagree fundamenatally on the way a novice consumer who posts a question like this should be answered.

1st school:

'I wouldn't dare mention a trend or piece of information as it would be subject to scrutiny and may not be popular or functional in all cases. I am afraid that there are too many exceptions so lets keep the consumer confused and just say trust the vendor or you must be advised by an expert, or there isn't enough information to tell if the price is reasonable or not.'

2nd school

'I will give a trend to the consumer and it will give them a rational rule to work from even though the model may be imperfect and sometimes the wrong conclusion can be drawn from the rule or an exception will not fit the trend. Overall the customers is better off knowing the general trend with caveats than not knowing any rule at all'

You take your pick but you really didn't do anything in your post to help me or the consumer. I ALREADY KNOW the chaos in pricing and in picking cushions by the numbers, but I also see some coherence in the chaos and I have no problem sharing it to benefit a consumers especially when it comes to pricing.

A respected vendor here told me about a month ago that the same width rough of a perfect square cushion could be instead cut as a Princess and thus the price for that rough would be more than the thinner piece use for a rectangular cushion. I'd be interested to hear about your experience with optimizing rough and how it pertains to pricing instead of the staus quo and totally useless 'There are no trends in cushions'.

CCL..., correct me if I miss-read your tone!
Firstly I dont appreciate being lectured on what I help or dont help consumers (on this post or any other). I am not a direct PS vendor nor a consumer and have spend plenty of my private time passing info I possess in regards to Diamonds (Cushions in particular).
Informing people about Cushions has been my objective five years ago when I accidentally showed up here on PS..., I pointed out that there are NO straight rules when it comes to Cushion cuts *then* as I am at *present* with plenty of explanations (you have plenty of examples to read if you just search a bit)!

You are stating info you have managed to collect here in our tiny PS world..., its a very limited *niche* world if comparing to the outside industry at large! Especially when cut/proportions is at subject.

Nothing wrong with the wording *Cushion Modified Brilliant*..., its not a curse! It should not and does not deserve to be attached to a lesser value!
The majority of Cushions out in the world wide industry are poorly cut (does not make them not beautiful) no mater what label GIA or others identify their cut as.
Most of the beautiful branded Cushions out in the market are *modified* as per the Lab's lack of knowledge on how to categorize/ID them!
Some examples: the Aschoka and the Legacy. Does that make them less expensive than Cushion Brilliants??? No it doesnt!

RE> "A respected vendor here told me about a month ago that the same width rough of a perfect square cushion could be instead cut as a Princess and thus the price for that rough would be more than the thinner piece use for a rectangular cushion. I'd be interested to hear about your experience with optimizing rough and how it pertains to pricing instead of the staus quo and totally useless 'There are no trends in cushions'."

Most of the rough shapes used for (perfect square *or not* Cushions will not fit the preferable shape needed to cut a princess cut (simply because of the nature of the sharp corners needed), you require a sharp (4 cornered) octahedron crystals to achieve a decent yield and spread for princess cuts unlike for Cushions.
My experience in optimizing rough to certain shapes is based on 20+ years of cutting and designing Diamonds...., there is plenty to read if you
are willing to search..., but do take into consideration that most rough shapes are irregular and you cant base a calculation on one example!

 

[Ellen]

Hi DiaGem, good to see you posting.

 

[Rockdiamond]

Hi anotherclueless guy!

It's been my experience, ( I'm married) that ALL guys are clueless..hehehe

In any event- for your sake: I agree with everything Diagem said.
Makes no difference whatsoever , in terms of price or desirability, if it's called Cushion Modified Brilliant, or Cushion Brilliant- same for Square, versus rectangular. As long as it's not tooooo rectangular. Those issues will not affect price. Unless a seller charges more for an aspect- such as a branded cut. Then it will need to be whatever the branded cut requires....for example Royal Branded Asscher Cuts are all square ( or close to it)

I would say the price could be fair.
There are things you want to be sure of, such as the money back guarantee. Being able to look at the stone in person is most important for you here.
If you love the way it looks- and have looked at it under various lighting situations, it's probably a great stone. I'll bet the seller, has assisted you in looking at the stone in a manner that allows you to see it well. Hopefully they have.

You're no longer "clueless" ( about diamonds anyway- you;ll probably still leave the seat up occasionally).
If you've looked at the stone, and are comfortable with the seller, the price could be fair.


ETA- just re read the original question:
The price of a diamond is directly influenced with the service associated with the sale.
For example- you were able to look at the diamond, and seller.
That's worth something.

TO be very clear: I would not want to endorse a sale, nor knock it- I can only speak about general pricing issues.

 

[diagem]

Date: 7/30/2009 7:32:05 PM
Author: Ellen
Hi DiaGem, good to see you posting.

thats especially for you Ellen..., and please take it as a friendly and positive gesture!

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 7/31/2009 1:25:18 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 7/30/2009 7:32:05 PM
Author: Ellen
Hi DiaGem, good to see you posting.

thats especially for you Ellen..., and please take it as a friendly and positive gesture!

LOL! Your immense knowledge, particularly concerning cushions has been missed DiaGem, very good to see you back here! And also thank you for everything you have taught us here particularly concerning cushions!

 

[diagem]

Date: 7/31/2009 3:57:48 AM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 7/31/2009 1:25:18 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 7/30/2009 7:32:05 PM
Author: Ellen
Hi DiaGem, good to see you posting.

thats especially for you Ellen..., and please take it as a friendly and positive gesture!

LOL! Your immense knowledge, particularly concerning cushions has been missed DiaGem, very good to see you back here! And also thank you for everything you have taught us here particularly concerning cushions!

Thank you Lorelei and Ellen for the warm words...

 

[Ellen]

Date: 7/31/2009 1:25:18 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 7/30/2009 7:32:05 PM
Author: Ellen
Hi DiaGem, good to see you posting.

thats especially for you Ellen..., and please take it as a friendly and positive gesture!

And ditto what Miss Lorelei said!

 

[diagem]

Date: 7/31/2009 8:01:55 AM
Author: Ellen

Date: 7/31/2009 1:25:18 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 7/30/2009 7:32:05 PM
Author: Ellen
Hi DiaGem, good to see you posting.

thats especially for you Ellen..., and please take it as a friendly and positive gesture!

And ditto what Miss Lorelei said!

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 7/31/2009 8:08:29 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 7/31/2009 8:01:55 AM
Author: Ellen

Date: 7/31/2009 1:25:18 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 7/30/2009 7:32:05 PM
Author: Ellen
Hi DiaGem, good to see you posting.

thats especially for you Ellen..., and please take it as a friendly and positive gesture!

And ditto what Miss Lorelei said!

LOL! You are most welcome! Your expertise and unique perspective is needed around here!!!

 

[Ellen]

Date: 7/31/2009 8:08:29 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 7/31/2009 8:01:55 AM
Author: Ellen

And ditto what Miss Lorelei said!

 

[anothercluelessguy]

It seems like finding a great cushion cut is much harder than a round cut but I think that makes a cushion cut a little more unique and interesting.

I also realize how important it is to work with someone who really understand a cushion cut and trust his opinions.

Thank you all!

 

[Ellen]

Date: 7/31/2009 11:14:09 AM
Author: anothercluelessguy

It seems like finding a great cushion cut is much harder than a round cut but I think that makes a cushion cut a little more unique and interesting.

I also realize how important it is to work with someone who really understand a cushion cut and trust his opinions.

Thank you all!

All fancy cuts are trickier than rounds, that''s just the nature of the beast. But when well cut, all of them are worth the effort!

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 7/31/2009 11:22:46 AM
Author: Ellen

Date: 7/31/2009 11:14:09 AM
Author: anothercluelessguy

It seems like finding a great cushion cut is much harder than a round cut but I think that makes a cushion cut a little more unique and interesting.

I also realize how important it is to work with someone who really understand a cushion cut and trust his opinions.

Thank you all!

All fancy cuts are trickier than rounds, that''s just the nature of the beast. But when well cut, all of them are worth the effort!

Ditto Ellen and absolutely a vendor who is skilled in evaluating cushions is a great asset to have when purchasing.

 

[ChunkyCushionLover]

Date: 7/30/2009 6:37:06 PM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 7/30/2009 5:22:32 PM
Author: ChunkyCushionLover

Date: 7/30/2009 7:15:16 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 7/30/2009 12:29:17 AM
Author: ChunkyCushionLover

Date: 7/30/2009 12:19:23 AM
Author:anothercluelessguy
I am looking at a chunky cushion cut and not sure if the price is a bit on the high side or not. I just looked at the stone today and it''s SI1 eyeclean and a beautiful stone with amazing sparkles but I am no diamond expert. I love the stone very much but looking around many online retailers the price I got for this stones seems a bit high. Is a chunky cushion cut a bit more expensive than a regular cushion cut?

$15,000
GIA Grading Report
Shape and Cutting Style: Cushion Brilliant
Cut: Premium
Measurements: 7.34x7.33x4.89
Carat Weight: 2.01
Color Grade: H
Clarity Grade: SI1
Finish: Very Good
Symmetry: Good
Fluorescence: None

Cushion Brilliants are more expensive than cushion modified brilliants(much more common) so yes they are.

Partly true..., so not *always* the case.

Perfectly square cushions also are more expensive than rectangular ones.
Not always the case either..., depends on the buyers preference combined with the type of Cushion.

When you get up to stones of this size the appearance and optics can make a big difference in price.
There is no cut grade for cushions but if you post some pictres and an ASET we could tell you more.


ETA: CCL, you must remember there are NO straight rules when Cushions are the subject!

Maybe you would prefer this phrasing?

Cushion Brilliants OFTEN are more expensive than cushion modified brilliants(much more common). (Given the same Carat Weight, Color and Clarity) Which is exactly the search this consumer did.
Perfectly square cushions OFTEN are more expensive than Rectangular Ones.

We disagree fundamenatally on the way a novice consumer who posts a question like this should be answered.

1st school:

''I wouldn''t dare mention a trend or piece of information as it would be subject to scrutiny and may not be popular or functional in all cases. I am afraid that there are too many exceptions so lets keep the consumer confused and just say trust the vendor or you must be advised by an expert, or there isn''t enough information to tell if the price is reasonable or not.''

2nd school

''I will give a trend to the consumer and it will give them a rational rule to work from even though the model may be imperfect and sometimes the wrong conclusion can be drawn from the rule or an exception will not fit the trend. Overall the customers is better off knowing the general trend with caveats than not knowing any rule at all''

You take your pick but you really didn''t do anything in your post to help me or the consumer. I ALREADY KNOW the chaos in pricing and in picking cushions by the numbers, but I also see some coherence in the chaos and I have no problem sharing it to benefit a consumers especially when it comes to pricing.

A respected vendor here told me about a month ago that the same width rough of a perfect square cushion could be instead cut as a Princess and thus the price for that rough would be more than the thinner piece use for a rectangular cushion. I''d be interested to hear about your experience with optimizing rough and how it pertains to pricing instead of the staus quo and totally useless ''There are no trends in cushions''.

CCL..., correct me if I miss-read your tone!
Firstly I dont appreciate being lectured on what I help or dont help consumers (on this post or any other). I am not a direct PS vendor nor a consumer and have spend plenty of my private time passing info I possess in regards to Diamonds (Cushions in particular).
Informing people about Cushions has been my objective five years ago when I accidentally showed up here on PS..., I pointed out that there are NO straight rules when it comes to Cushion cuts *then* as I am at *present* with plenty of explanations (you have plenty of examples to read if you just search a bit)!

You are stating info you have managed to collect here in our tiny PS world..., its a very limited *niche* world if comparing to the outside industry at large! Especially when cut/proportions is at subject.

Nothing wrong with the wording *Cushion Modified Brilliant*..., its not a curse! It should not and does not deserve to be attached to a lesser value!
The majority of Cushions out in the world wide industry are poorly cut (does not make them not beautiful) no mater what label GIA or others identify their cut as.
Most of the beautiful branded Cushions out in the market are *modified* as per the Lab''s lack of knowledge on how to categorize/ID them!
Some examples: the Aschoka and the Legacy. Does that make them less expensive than Cushion Brilliants??? No it doesnt!

RE> ''A respected vendor here told me about a month ago that the same width rough of a perfect square cushion could be instead cut as a Princess and thus the price for that rough would be more than the thinner piece use for a rectangular cushion. I''d be interested to hear about your experience with optimizing rough and how it pertains to pricing instead of the staus quo and totally useless ''There are no trends in cushions''.''

Most of the rough shapes used for (perfect square *or not* Cushions will not fit the preferable shape needed to cut a princess cut (simply because of the nature of the sharp corners needed), you require a sharp (4 cornered) octahedron crystals to achieve a decent yield and spread for princess cuts unlike for Cushions.
My experience in optimizing rough to certain shapes is based on 20+ years of cutting and designing Diamonds...., there is plenty to read if you
are willing to search..., but do take into consideration that most rough shapes are irregular and you cant base a calculation on one example!

Diagem,

I have two months of experience in diamonds and I don''t want to be sparring with an experienced and respected cutter and poster here.

There have been far too many people on here who call ALL cushion modified brilliants "crushed ice" appearance and have referred to them negatively. I am not in this camp and have already advised several times here that not all cushion modifieds have this crushed ice appearance. You are preaching to the choir.

If you ever get frustrated with this issue again you can refer the poster to this video http://vimeo.com/3164922.

My original post is very simple:

Cushion Brilliants are more expensive than Cushion Modified Brilliants (more common). FULL STOP (Nothing about optics)

I could plot all the data on pricing of Rectangular Versus Square (Same 4Cs) and do a statistical analysis and give the standard error on this trend but seems like a waste of time just to prove my point.

As for the reasons why the square cushions are more expensive or why cushion brilliants are more expensive it may simply be supply and demand or rarity or what the cutters or vendors feel they can charge for them. There are less perfecly square cushions brilliants and more rectangular cushion modified brilliants.

I am really not sure if your "Go Search" is going to turn up anything seems like a Red Herring from what I have searched for here so far.

Regards,
CCL