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Hi everyone,

I''m beginning to shop for a diamond for an engagement ring on a budget of about $13,000.

Here is what I''m looking for - maybe you guys can help me find a few good ones to start with.

Approx. 2 carat RB
Ideal/Excellent Cut
Preferably I color, a bit nervous about J
Preferably SI1, but could go for an eye clean SI2

I do understand that it is a tight budget to work with - but I''m hoping it can be done. Thanks!
 
Date: 5/8/2009 10:03:30 AM
Author:BB2
Hi everyone,

I''m beginning to shop for a diamond for an engagement ring on a budget of about $13,000.

Here is what I''m looking for - maybe you guys can help me find a few good ones to start with.

Approx. 2 carat RB
Ideal/Excellent Cut
Preferably I color, a bit nervous about J
Preferably SI1, but could go for an eye clean SI2

I do understand that it is a tight budget to work with - but I''m hoping it can be done. Thanks!
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Hi BB,

Just before we start to look, is the 13k just for the diamond or does it need to include the setting also?
 
Hi Lorelei - the 13k is for the diamond only. Setting would be a different budget. Thanks!
 
If you can find a J with Medium to Strong Blue Fluorescence. then it will make the J color appear whiter, like an I or event an H.
 
Here a few from JamesAllen. Ask them to verify eyeclean on these.

2.01 H SI-2 AGS0
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-SI2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1231072.asp

2.00 I SI-1 I really like the picture, but the cert link actually gets you to another picture. See if they can give you the crown and pavillion angles.
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/I-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1227863.asp

2.09 I SI-1. Nice picture, no cert posted yet. Ask them for that
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/I-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1200330.asp
 
Date: 5/8/2009 10:34:22 AM
Author: jet2ks
Here a few from JamesAllen. Ask them to verify eyeclean on these.

2.01 H SI-2 AGS0
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-SI2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1231072.asp

2.00 I SI-1 I really like the picture, but the cert link actually gets you to another picture. See if they can give you the crown and pavillion angles.
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/I-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1227863.asp

2.09 I SI-1. Nice picture, no cert posted yet. Ask them for that
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/I-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1200330.asp
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Some detective work for #2 and #3 stone.

#2 stone's report
http://www2.gia.edu/reportcheck/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.showReportVerification&reportno=2105599343&weight=2.00

CA = 36, PA = 40.8, need IS to confirm.

#3 stone's report
http://www2.gia.edu/reportcheck/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.showReportVerification&reportno=2101342317&weight=2.09

Numbers looked good for this one.
 
LOL! The guys are on the ball and found you some selections!
 
I'm intrigued by this one. Thanks to Jet and Stone Cold.

2.09 I SI-1
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/I-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1200330.asp

The stats look pretty good to me, but I'm a novice. What do you think?

Depth: 60.5%
Table: 57%
Crown Angle: 33.5°
Crown Height: 14.0%
Pavilion Angle: 41.0°
Pavilion Depth: 43.5%
Star length: 50%
Lower Half: 75%
Girdle: Thin to Medium, Faceted (3.0%)
Culet: None
 
Date: 5/8/2009 10:53:52 AM
Author: Lorelei
LOL! The guys are on the ball and found you some selections!
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Fur sure...beat me to it!
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Just entered those stats into the HCA and got a score of 1.0.

Should I be concerned about the strong fluorescence or the VG/VG polish/symmetry?
 
Thanks for finding those reports Stone Cold

BB2--I'd agree that the numbers on that one look very good. Ask JA if it is eye-clean and have them provide an IdealScope image. By requesting the image they will also place the diamond on hold for you.

EDT: I wouldn't worry about the fluoro. It will only show up in strong direct sunlight as a slight blue or under a blacklight--some people really like the look. Also the VG on polish is not an issue and symmetry probably not. An IS image will tell us if the symmetry is affecting light performance, but it is not something that would ever be noticed with the naked eye.
 
Agreed, also ask if the stone is eye-clean.
 
Thanks guys. I''ve emailed a request for an Idealscope image.
 
Date: 5/8/2009 11:38:38 AM
Author: BB2
Just entered those stats into the HCA and got a score of 1.0.

Should I be concerned about the strong fluorescence or the VG/VG polish/symmetry?
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You won''t notice any difference with VG/VG for polish and symmetry. With the strong blue fluorescence, just check with the vendor that it isn''t making the diamond look cloudy in some lighting, this is rare but always prudent to check with strong or very strong blue. Personally I love fluorescence and consider it a bonus in a diamond.
 
Thanks again for the replies.

This could probably be a thread by itself but . . .

What is a good definition of "eye clean"? If I understand correctly, I''ll need to define eye clean when I ask the vendor. So what definition do you guys generally supply? Again, please forgive my ignorance. Thanks!
 
Like distance viewed from the stone and angles. For clarity grading it is usually face up, so from the side you might see inclusions easily.
 
That stone looks good if it is eyeclean. I''d ask about the view from the side as well as the top as far as the inclusions go. I wouldn''t want to see inclusions from the side, either.
 
I asked James Allen to provide an Idealscope yesterday afternoon. They responded and said they put a request in and that the diamond would be on hold. However, today, it is still listed as available. Is this normal? Do you think they forgot to put a hold on it?
 
Date: 5/9/2009 12:23:31 PM
Author: BB2
I asked James Allen to provide an Idealscope yesterday afternoon. They responded and said they put a request in and that the diamond would be on hold. However, today, it is still listed as available. Is this normal? Do you think they forgot to put a hold on it?
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I would check with them to be on the safe side.
 
Not 13K but here is a 2.074 ct J SI2 Whiteflash ACA

$15,379 with PS discount.

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/Whiteflash-ACA-cut-diamond-1466934.htm

Check with WF but I'd suspect it may be eye-clean since instead of one honking dark inclusion there are several small ones evenly distributed throughout the stone.

I also like that the inclusions look like mostly clouds instead of feathers.
Feathers concern me more than clouds, especially in a SI2, for reasons of mechanical integrity.
 
Date: 5/8/2009 10:14:41 AM
Author: NakedFinger
If you can find a J with Medium to Strong Blue Fluorescence. then it will make the J color appear whiter, like an I or event an H.
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A lot of people around here often say that but the stones are graded by the GIA face down to determine color. I guess I''m not sure I understand how or why the flour could make a diamond appear whiter. I don''t know, I''ve been on PS for quite a few years and I don''t think I''ve ever gotten a proven explanation.

I can understand the sunlight and blacklight blue type hue but in normal light I suspect the flour wouldn''t really mean anything or have an effect on the look of the diamond.

If flour were to impact the way a color faces up on a diamond I would suspect it would be all relative to the lab that is grading the diamond. If what you stated is correct then maybe the same stones without flour would have been graded a color or two lower by the lab. It is kind of impossible to tell since we can''t remove flour from the diamond to be able to know for sure.

Lastly, I''ll say that I am not for or against flour. and I thought it would be cool to have a stone with it but really I''m just trying to understand how or why it can make a diamond look "whiter" especially when H-J stone are near colorless. The well cut ones in this range are really hard to detect color in most lighting situations anyway.
 
Here is the Idealscope for the 2.09 I SI1. Please let me know your thoughts. The full specs for this diamond can be viewed above.

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Date: 5/13/2009 6:18:03 PM
Author: BB2

Here is the Idealscope for the 2.09 I SI1. Please let me know your thoughts. The full specs for this diamond can be viewed above.
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If eyeclean to your specifications, it looks like a great stone!
 
Ditto about the eyecleaness. Looks like it might have black inclusion in the center.

Something is not right. I looked at the magnified image in the link and there appears to be no center inclusion, yet there is a very obvious one in the IS image. So either there was a foreign object in the IS photo or else the image in the magnified photo is not the same stone. I'd want to get all that clear before proceeding.
 
Date: 5/13/2009 6:31:42 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
Ditto about the eyecleaness. Looks like it might have black inclusion in the center.

Something is not right. I looked at the magnified image in the link and there appears to be no center inclusion, yet there is a very obvious one in the IS image. So either there was a foreign object in the IS photo or else the image in the magnified photo is not the same stone. I''d want to get all that clear before proceeding.
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Ditto this. I''d call and ask what''s up. I don''t see any way it is the same stone.
 
Date: 5/13/2009 6:46:48 PM
Author: jet2ks
Date: 5/13/2009 6:31:42 PM

Author: diamondseeker2006

Ditto about the eyecleaness. Looks like it might have black inclusion in the center.


Something is not right. I looked at the magnified image in the link and there appears to be no center inclusion, yet there is a very obvious one in the IS image. So either there was a foreign object in the IS photo or else the image in the magnified photo is not the same stone. I'd want to get all that clear before proceeding.
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Ditto this. I'd call and ask what's up. I don't see any way it is the same stone.
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Thanks for the observation. I will contact them and have them double check both images. I'll keep everyone posted.

I guess I just assumed that the IS picked up an inclusion that the magnified photo did not.
 
Here is the REAL Idealscope image. Please give me your honest opinions - I have this on hold until tomorrow evening.

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/I-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1200330.asp

2.09 I SI1
Depth: 60.5%
Table: 57%
Crown Angle: 33.5°
Crown Height: 14.0%
Pavilion Angle: 41.0°
Pavilion Depth: 43.5%
Star length: 50%
Lower Half: 75%
Girdle: Thin to Medium, Faceted (3.0%)
Culet: None
Around $12,500

Do you think I can do any better or should I pull the trigger? Thanks again for everyone''s help!

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Bump for opinions . . .
 
Looks gorgeous to me - it scores a 1 with 3 Exs and a VG spread. Have you confirmed the SB FL doesn't affect the appearance at all and that it's eye clean?
 
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