2.02ct diamond image - feedback please, only one hour...

[fanofhardrock]

Hi all

I have this diamond on hold for me only until COB today. Please let me know can you tell much from this image? I have been sent it from the vendor and they cannot provide an ASET/Idealscope. It has HCA of 3.2. The vendor said that they saw the diamond and they thought it was very beautiful and better than they had expected.

I can see that the arrows line up pretty well but there is quite a lot of darkness at the 5 to 6 o'clock which I cannot tell what this is or what it means.

Cert: GIA
Cut: EX
Polish EX
Symm EX
Fluor: VSB
Carat: 2.02ct
Color H
Clarity SI1 (there is a single crystal which is meant to be very small and on a crown facet, and an indented natural on the girdle (on the lower side), additional pinpoints are not shown).

Table percentage 58%
Depth 62.3%
Crown angle 34 deg
Crown percentage 14.0%
Pavilion angle 41.2 deg
Pavilion depth 43.5%
GIrdle: med to slightly thick

I know it is hard to tell with nothing more to go on, but any thoughts would be great!

Thanks in advance!

 

[fanofhardrock]

Sorry to bump this - but really need help!

If you think this is not enough information, please let me know and I will reject this diamond!

Thank you!!

 

[ecf8503]

Can't tell much. Have you seen it in person? Sorry you can't get an ASET / IS. Personally I wouldn't feel comfortable making a big purchase like this without that info, especially since it only gets a 3.2 on the HCA (which may not be bad... worthy of consideration...).

 

[JulieN]

You want a picture in the same lighting, but on a colored or black background.

 

[Gypsy]

Pass, IMO.

 

[Enerchi]

Dont rush into a big purchase like that. If its the right diamond, it will still be there tomorrow, when they CAN take the time to provide you with more photos or an ASET or an IS, if at all possible. There will be others if this one is gone - we can DEFINITELY find you something. Please dont' panic and make a hasty purchase you may regret.

And an FYI - of course they are going to say its an amazing diamond --- you have money, they have product. They want to swap the lineup and have your money instead! Be careful, take your time.

(I'm a fine one to talk --- I have been known to make a hurried judgement and then deeply regret it after so I speak from experience )

 

[fanofhardrock]

Can't tell much. Have you seen it in person? Sorry you can't get an ASET / IS. Personally I wouldn't feel comfortable making a big purchase like this without that info, especially since it only gets a 3.2 on the HCA (which may not be bad... worthy of consideration...).

Thank you so much!!!

No, I cannot get the ASET/IS as they cannot provide this.
I am pretty concerned about inclusions in an SI1, and so I'm not getting the warm and fuzzy feeling.

 

[fanofhardrock]

You want a picture in the same lighting, but on a colored or black background.

Thank you Julie - I'm sorry to ask elementary questions and will post it here if I can get one, but why and what would I be looking for?

Thank you very much.

 

[fanofhardrock]

Pass, IMO.

Gypsy - thank you for taking the time to let me know - can you let me know the basis on which you pass on this? It is for my education purposes more than anything. I accept wholly that you suggest I pass and on those grounds will pass on it! Is it through lack of information or something that is a red flag with the stone based on the numbers or the image?

I am so grateful that you took the time to reply to me.

 

[fanofhardrock]

Dont rush into a big purchase like that. If its the right diamond, it will still be there tomorrow, when they CAN take the time to provide you with more photos or an ASET or an IS, if at all possible. There will be others if this one is gone - we can DEFINITELY find you something. Please dont' panic and make a hasty purchase you may regret.

And an FYI - of course they are going to say its an amazing diamond --- you have money, they have product. They want to swap the lineup and have your money instead! Be careful, take your time.

(I'm a fine one to talk --- I have been known to make a hurried judgement and then deeply regret it after so I speak from experience )

Thank you so much, Enerchi. I would like to extend a big thank you to the community at Pricescope for their quick responses and ability to calm a panicky first time buyer (could you tell? Haha - I'm sure you all can!)

I am very glad that you can let me know about quick judgements and am inclined to stick with vendors who give me comfort for this reason. I guess that because the pricepoint on this diamond is good, I was tempted. I am glad you stopped me from making a hasty decision.

I am looking for 2ct RB and only have $15k for the diamond (the aim is for a halo setting so have reserved a chunk of the budget for that). TBH B&M vendors made me feel that I cheap for only spending 15k, so I left them feeling pretty deflated, when this is a pretty hefty sum of money to me!

Given the rock budget is huge to me, but very modest in diamond terms given that I would like a 2ct RB, I'm being pushed to look at online vendors with little information. I know that this is not the best, but I am trying to do the best I can, really. Even this puppy was pushing the boat out a little! Any advice on who to deal with would be great. Best prices have so far been found from Pricescope search tool, but the lowest price vendors are unable to provide images as they don't have the diamonds in-house.

Thanks again.

 

[JulieN]

You want a picture in the same lighting, but on a colored or black background.

Thank you Julie - I'm sorry to ask elementary questions and will post it here if I can get one, but why and what would I be looking for?

Thank you very much.

You are looking for the background through the diamond... basically, if you can see through it. You cannot tell on a white background like in this picture.

A halo setting will add so much size and presence, I think it would be better for you to look in the 1.7-2 range.

 

[fanofhardrock]

You want a picture in the same lighting, but on a colored or black background.

Thank you Julie - I'm sorry to ask elementary questions and will post it here if I can get one, but why and what would I be looking for?

Thank you very much.

You are looking for the background through the diamond... basically, if you can see through it. You cannot tell on a white background like in this picture.

Ah - I get it now - it is for light leakage? And this would be detecting light leakage under the table?

I presume it is the same basis as placing the diamond between your fingers (finger closed with the diamond resting between two) and looking for skin.

Please correct me if I'm being ignorant.

Thank you, Julie. So kind of you to educate me

 

[JulieN]

Yes, placing it between teh fingers has one advantage to a flat background, it has a little valley/groove for the diamond to sit in so that it faces up flat, but the skin color (well, some people's skin color) might be hard to see. A flat piece of paper won't have such a groove.

 

[fanofhardrock]

Yes, placing it between teh fingers has one advantage to a flat background, it has a little valley/groove for the diamond to sit in so that it faces up flat, but the skin color (well, some people's skin color) might be hard to see. A flat piece of paper won't have such a groove.

Thank you, Julie. I wonder, if I use a makeshift stand - folded out of colored card or black card - analogous to the white one used here, maybe that would work for if I go to see diamonds in person?

(Or better still buy an IS?)

 

[Gypsy]

I think it's has leakage and that it's deeper than I think is good for performance, with all the other measurements. And I also don't like the optical symmetry on the stone.
I think you can do better.

 

[Dreamer_D]

The proportions are not really up my ally, and the photo doesn't look so hot. If you can see it in person and evaluate it with additional tools -- like IS or your eyes -- then perhaps you could consider it further. But without that I would look for something that is a safer bet. If you drop to the 1.8-1.9ct range you will have a ring that looks the same as one with a 2ct once you add a halo, but your money will go further.

 

[fanofhardrock]

I think it's has leakage and that it's deeper than I think is good for performance, with all the other measurements. And I also don't like the optical symmetry on the stone.
I think you can do better.

Hi Gypsy - thanks so much - sorry for my delay.

Thanks for the feedback. You are legendary - so I am honored you have helped me and I hope you don't mind me asking more on your comments.

Are you able to see the leakage in the picture or is this based on the measurements given?

What depth do you think is advisable?

Is the optical symmetry comment based on the picture - are GIA a bit slack with their symmetry? I am still learning at what I can rely on.

Thanks so much!

 

[fanofhardrock]

The proportions are not really up my ally, and the photo doesn't look so hot. If you can see it in person and evaluate it with additional tools -- like IS or your eyes -- then perhaps you could consider it further. But without that I would look for something that is a safer bet. If you drop to the 1.8-1.9ct range you will have a ring that looks the same as one with a 2ct once you add a halo, but your money will go further.

Thanks for the advice, DreamerD - another PS legend - I am not able to see it in person as it is abroad, so I must buy it and can return it, but given the feedback, I will skip this.

All - I am glad for your advice and have heeded it.

I am continuing my search and am reading this forum avidly.

 

[ariel144]

That diamond is fairly deep at 62+% depth. You can buy a smaller weight stone that has a more ideal depth 59-60% depth which will make the diameter (spread) about the same for a better price. I don't know what your budget is or what the diameter of this 2.02c stone is but here are some examples and with lots of information that PROVES that they are great performers.... You might get lucky (which I highly doubt) but when you are spending that kind of money why would you "roll the dice"? The vendor stating that the stone was better than they expected is not a raving review IMO. These are all in the $20k range and note the difference in the spread when you have a shallower 60% depth, which also makes a better cut stone.

If you will post your budget the expert PSrs will find you the best stone for your budget from some excellent vendors. Hope this helps.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9714/

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9229/

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9685/

 

[fanofhardrock]

That diamond is fairly deep at 62+% depth. You can buy a smaller weight stone that has a more ideal depth 59-60% depth which will make the diameter (spread) about the same for a better price. I don't know what your budget is or what the diameter of this 2.02c stone is but here are some examples and with lots of information that PROVES that they are great performers.... You might get lucky (which I highly doubt) but when you are spending that kind of money why would you "roll the dice"? The vendor stating that the stone was better than they expected is not a raving review IMO. These are all in the $20k range and note the difference in the spread when you have a shallower 60% depth, which also makes a better cut stone.

If you will post your budget the expert PSrs will find you the best stone for your budget from some excellent vendors. Hope this helps.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9714/

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9229/

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9685/

Wow - Ariel - that is super helpful of you - these diamonds are stunning. I really wanted to be able to purchase from GOG, but I cannot afford anything in their current inventory at the 2ct mark (without going down the color/clarity scale a lot).

I am looking for something at 15k, and have an I SI1 that I am getting some info on at James Allen, hopefully... (long story!) This diamond was appealing as it was a smidge over 15.5k, which seemed pretty good value. This would compromise what I have available to set it as it's a bit over what I had in mind to spend. However, given the feedback, I passed on it. Someone else is now the proud owner of that rock.

Aside from the stone at JA, there was this one and the I VS2, which I posted about earlier and am still quite keen on.
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/hca-of-2-8-and-strong-blue-fluorescence-grateful-for-help.179036/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/hca-of-2-8-and-strong-blue-fluorescence-grateful-for-help.179036/[/URL]

Any ideas would be awesome and warmly welcomed.

 

[Gypsy]

Happy to help!

The picture doesn't impress me at all. If I had seen that stone in a line of others I would have passed over it without a second thought. The pictures made me suspect leakage and the numbers backed that suspicion up-- there is still a small chance it could idealscope out okay. But we don't have that option, so it's not a good stone to take a risk off hoping for a good payoff, because the chances are low it would pay off.

Have you seen this one?
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/I-SI2-Excellent-Cut-Round-Diamond-1489033.asp It looks like it might be eyeclean. It does score 1.3 on the HCA. I'd ask for an Idealscope of it if they say it is eyeclean. Pricescope Wire Price: $15,061

 

[fanofhardrock]

Happy to help!

The picture doesn't impress me at all. If I had seen that stone in a line of others I would have passed over it without a second thought. The pictures made me suspect leakage and the numbers backed that suspicion up-- there is still a small chance it could idealscope out okay. But we don't have that option, so it's not a good stone to take a risk off hoping for a good payoff, because the chances are low it would pay off.

Have you seen this one?
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/I-SI2-Excellent-Cut-Round-Diamond-1489033.asp It looks like it might be eyeclean. It does score 1.3 on the HCA. I'd ask for an Idealscope of it if they say it is eyeclean. Pricescope Wire Price: $15,061

Wow - Gypsy - that's a great find - James Allen tell me that I should pick two others to compare it to.
That is so eyeclean - it is amazing! So surprised it is SI2.

I have it on hold! Thanks so much. I will scour for two more to compare it to, but this is an awesome find.