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kimophan

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Should I buy this diamond? Based on the numbers provided below, what should I be concern about? Should I be concerned about the "Good" cut grade?
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Carat Weight: 2.00
Color Grade: D
Clarity Grade: IF
Depth: 60.2%
Table: 57%
Girdle: Thin to Slightly Thick, faceted
Culet: None
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Very Good
Cut: Good
Fluorescence: None
Crown Angle: 33.5
Crown Height: 14.5%
Pavilion Angle: 40.2
Pavilion Depth: 42%
Star Length: 55%
Lower half: 80%

Price: $60,000 (this is from a repudable vendor)
 
No IMHO, for a several reasons.

2.0 is the ''magic mark'', cut has been sacrified for it.

IF is totally overkill, you can''t see inclusions in the VS range, so why pay for something you can''t see.

Is your girlfriend very colour sensitive - D is quite a high colour and will be very pricey in this size range. It''s up to you, I personally am happy to pay the premium for the icy look of a D, but you can easily drop to a G colour and still be very white.

Sorry, I think you can do better
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this stone from an Asian jeweler? lab report?
 
This stone is not from an Asian jeweler; it''s from a credible national company.
 
Also, this diamond comes with a GIA and IGI reports. I am not worried about the credibility of the seller because there is a 30 day return policy. I have the money to pay for the diamond but I would like to know if it''s a good diamond. Please let me know if you have any good advice to share with me.
 
from Costco or Sam's club?
 
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/3089/

Try this one! Save yourself 23K (!!!!!!!!!!), you will not be able to tell the difference in colour or clairity between this one and the one you picked.

This is a much better cut. Hands down I take this and have a holiday to Europe for a few weeks with the savings!!


OR

This one. 20K cheaper

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4299/ Ditto the above, not many people are that colour sensitive as to tell the difference between D-F (some can though, but only if you have a well cut D next to it and it''s possible)
 
I hope its from Costco - I heard their diamonds have more fire than Sam''s. ;)
 
You can do better for cut than this diamond, the crown and pavilion angles are in a shallower range. I would look for -

crown angle 34- 35 degrees
pavilion angle 40.6 - 41 degrees

These angles should work in harmony together. But it is up to you of course, if you prefer a large D IF, there may not be many to choose from. I would advise going a bit lower on clarity, down to VS even if that is ok with you, and get a tighter cut diamond. Also E and F colour can still look very white.

The diamond Honey picked looks good, take a look at that one to see what we mean!
 
two words: ridiculously expensive.
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even if D IF is what you want with an informed decision, at least please take the advice here and look for a better cut.

Sorry for being frank, but even if you can afford it, why waste ~$20,000 for something you will never see??
If its a "mindclean issue", I still think that "Very Slightly Included" sounds pretty special, and willl at least drop the premium down. You will never see anything in a properly graded VS2 or above.

If you want D colour, so be it, but most people cannot tell the difference between a D and F/G colour, even side by side. Just some food for thought.
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Alot of people, including myself, when first start looking for a diamond think that getting an D IF will automatically ensure its a great buy - not so. There are plenty of D IF''s that are dawgs..As you have asked here about cut, you''re clearly already aware this is the Main factor in a diamonds''s brilliance - so please keep looking, and if you feel like taking some advice, also considerwidening your parameters to something like D to G, VVS-VS clarity.(even eyeclaen SI1 if you''re open to it).
Like Honey said, save yourself the $$ and go on a holiday or summin!

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Date: 5/15/2008 5:47:10 AM
Author: Lorelei
You can do better for cut than this diamond, the crown and pavilion angles are in a shallower range. I would look for -

crown angle 34- 35 degrees
pavilion angle 40.6 - 41 degrees

These angles should work in harmony together. But it is up to you of course, if you prefer a large D IF, there may not be many to choose from. I would advise going a bit lower on clarity, down to VS even if that is ok with you, and get a tighter cut diamond. Also E and F colour can still look very white.

The diamond Honey picked looks good, take a look at that one to see what we mean!
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Yes, especially the pavillion angle. The crown and pavillion anlges are extremely important as to how a diamond will perform.

You also want at least Very Good on cut grade. As Lorelei said, you can do better.
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Remember diamonds are graded at x10 magnification, so IF doesn''t mean there is nothing there at x20 or x40, at greater magnification there will almost certainly be many small inclusions.

Personally I only care about what I can see at x0 so why pay a huge premium for something you''ll never see?

You can easily drop to VS2 and see nothing.
 
HI:

Wink Jones (Winfields) has a picture in the gallery of a 2 carat DIF Cut by Infinity Stone; and altho I think that stone went to a very happy home, I would double check. If I were paying for a D IF I might insists on AGS (well, TRUE 000) bells and whistles.

http://com.pricescope.com/photos/wink_jones/picture2540.aspx

cheers--Sharon
 
Thank you everyone for your input. After reading all your suggestions, I don''t want the diamond anymore. The diamond is from Costco. It''s difficult to buy the diamond from there because i have nothing to compare it too.

There is another diamond that I am interested in from Costco but because the certificate was dated 2004, there''s no grading on the CUT, crown angle or pavilion angle. What advice can you give me?

Carat: 2.11
Color: D
Clarity: VVS2
Cut: NOT KNOWN
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Cutlet: None
Flourenscence: None
Depth: 60.5%
Table: 57%
Price: $43K

Should I buy this diamond and then bring it to a jeweler for the CUT evalutation? What do I do?!
 
Date: 5/15/2008 1:34:31 PM
Author: kimophan
Thank you everyone for your input. After reading all your suggestions, I don''t want the diamond anymore. The diamond is from Costco. It''s difficult to buy the diamond from there because i have nothing to compare it too.

There is another diamond that I am interested in from Costco but because the certificate was dated 2004, there''s no grading on the CUT, crown angle or pavilion angle. What advice can you give me?

Carat: 2.11
Color: D
Clarity: VVS2
Cut: NOT KNOWN
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Cutlet: None
Flourenscence: None
Depth: 60.5%
Table: 57%
Price: $43K

Should I buy this diamond and then bring it to a jeweler for the CUT evalutation? What do I do?!
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I would suggest checking out the Pricescope vendors such as Wink Jones, Whiteflash, Good old Gold etc, so you can buy a diamond with known cut quality, and take advantage of the expertise an specialist diamond vendor can offer you.
 
Date: 5/15/2008 1:39:30 PM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 5/15/2008 1:34:31 PM
Author: kimophan
Thank you everyone for your input. After reading all your suggestions, I don''t want the diamond anymore. The diamond is from Costco. It''s difficult to buy the diamond from there because i have nothing to compare it too.

There is another diamond that I am interested in from Costco but because the certificate was dated 2004, there''s no grading on the CUT, crown angle or pavilion angle. What advice can you give me?

Carat: 2.11
Color: D
Clarity: VVS2
Cut: NOT KNOWN
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Cutlet: None
Flourenscence: None
Depth: 60.5%
Table: 57%
Price: $43K

Should I buy this diamond and then bring it to a jeweler for the CUT evalutation? What do I do?!
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I would suggest checking out the Pricescope vendors such as Wink Jones, Whiteflash, Good old Gold etc, so you can buy a diamond with known cut quality, and take advantage of the expertise an specialist diamond vendor can offer you.
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Ditto. With your budget you can get a beauty, go to the best and you will get the best.
 
Date: 5/15/2008 1:34:31 PM
Author: kimophan
Thank you everyone for your input. After reading all your suggestions, I don''t want the diamond anymore. The diamond is from Costco. It''s difficult to buy the diamond from there because i have nothing to compare it too.

There is another diamond that I am interested in from Costco but because the certificate was dated 2004, there''s no grading on the CUT, crown angle or pavilion angle. What advice can you give me?

Carat: 2.11
Color: D
Clarity: VVS2
Cut: NOT KNOWN
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Cutlet: None
Flourenscence: None
Depth: 60.5%
Table: 57%
Price: $43K

Should I buy this diamond and then bring it to a jeweler for the CUT evalutation? What do I do?!
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If it has a GIA report, you can call GIA and ask them for more information like the angles. They may have these numbers internally even though they did not publish a cut grade at that time.
 
Date: 5/15/2008 1:34:31 PM
Author: kimophan
What advice can you give me?
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Honestly? Go with one of the trusted vendors here to find your stone. I know it may seem quite scary to purchase something like this online, but you will not be sorry. You will almost undoubtedly get a better cut stone, at a far better price. And you can always have an independant appraiser take a look at it for confirmation.
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Date: 5/15/2008 3:28:21 PM
Author: Ellen
Date: 5/15/2008 1:34:31 PM

Author: kimophan

What advice can you give me?
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Honestly? Go with one of the trusted vendors here to find your stone. I know it may seem quite scary to purchase something like this online, but you will not be sorry. You will almost undoubtedly get a better cut stone, at a far better price. And you can always have an independant appraiser take a look at it for confirmation.
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Ditto!! And double ditto!! Don''t buy from Costco - inferior diamond at a inflated price.

Good luck
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Ummmm, Costco with a supposed $60K budget. Uh yeah.
That''s the first place that would be on my list for high grade diamonds.
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If you live in a city large enough to have a Costco, they darn well must have decent jewelers. Either look locally at a fine jewelers (and overpay) or use Whiteflash, Wink Jones, Good old Gold, or Harry Winston for that matter.
 
i don''t think Costco sell loose diamonds
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you would need to take the stone out of the setting for a sarin scan.
 
http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/4299/

http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/3089/

And the search topped out at 2ct. With your budget you could go more if you dropped a color and clarity (just not the cut!!) And trust me, shopping with GOG is a breeze. In fact, my ring was shipped to the wrong address the first time (to a non-existant address) and GOG was on the phone with UPS and got it straightened out that very hour. They are fantastic (as are WF, Wink, JA, etc, but I've only used GOG...) Listen to everyone who says that cut is most important..

Let us know how it goes!
 
Date: 5/15/2008 6:38:07 PM
Author: whatmeworry
I think you can get a decent diamond at Costco at a fair price.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Moms/story?id=1197202
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Sure if you don''t care about cut. All that story said was that the GMA reporter got exactly what he paid for, an H with few flaws (VS or something, they didn''t specify). They also didn''t point out that an online dealer could probably beat both Costco AND Tiiffanys in price and quality.

Different strokes, etc. but I wouldn''t want to tell my friends my $60 THOUSAND DOLLAR diamond was "picked" out at Costco
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Date: 5/15/2008 7:01:14 PM
Author: purrfectpear

Date: 5/15/2008 6:38:07 PM
Author: whatmeworry
I think you can get a decent diamond at Costco at a fair price.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Moms/story?id=1197202
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Sure if you don''t care about cut. All that story said was that the GMA reporter got exactly what he paid for, an H with few flaws (VS or something, they didn''t specify). They also didn''t point out that an online dealer could probably beat both Costco AND Tiiffanys in price and quality.

Different strokes, etc. but I wouldn''t want to tell my friends my $60 THOUSAND DOLLAR diamond was ''picked'' out at Costco
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then lie....tell them Harry Winston
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I think it is fine to desire a high color and clarity, but cut is the most important factor for the beauty of the stone!!! Please don''t settle for less than GIA Excellent cut or AGS0 ideal cut. I''d try to be open to D and E color and VVS or even VS1. You won''t be able to tell the difference between those and a D IF. But you will be able to tell a good cut from an ideal cut.

I''d recommend calling Good Old Gold or WhiteFlash.
 
If I had 60 g I would buy a Harry Winston or a Cartier.

Costco just doesn''t measure up.
 
You know, I love our PS dealers. And personally I would shop from one of them over many stores, and I do encourage people to become more educated and take a look at WF, GOG, etc... but there is nothing wrong with Costco, I'm sure the educated consumer can have them source a very nice diamond. They have great policies and are a great company that believes in customer satisfaction. I am frankly disappointed that so many people on this thread are putting down the OP's choice of vendor. You can encourage and teach without putting someone down. In fact, that's the way most of the most helpful diamond educators on here Diamondseeker, Lorelei, and Ellen (I'm not gonna list everyone on this thread who has been helpful, there have been quite a few, so this list is not exhaustive) do it. To the rest of you who feel mocking a new person reaching out for education on here is the way to go... please take another look at your posts and 'listen' to your tone of voice. If I were posting here for the first time some of you would drive me to never want to return.
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You can get a badly cut diamond from HW and Cartier too. In fact there are threads on it.
 
Even though I didn''t buy the 2.0, D, IF diamond, I ended up buying a 2.27ct, E, VVS2, cut=Ex, Polish=Ex, Sym=Ex, GIA certified...and yes, it''s from Costco. A diamond is a diamond no matter where you go as long as you get a good deal. Costco pricing is $15K-20K less expensive than online and $30K less than Tiffany. After I purchased the diamond, I got it appraised, as sugguested by you guys.

Thanks!
 
Date: 6/14/2008 2:24:16 AM
Author: kimophan
Even though I didn''t buy the 2.0, D, IF diamond, I ended up buying a 2.27ct, E, VVS2, cut=Ex, Polish=Ex, Sym=Ex, GIA certified...and yes, it''s from Costco. A diamond is a diamond no matter where you go as long as you get a good deal. Costco pricing is $15K-20K less expensive than online and $30K less than Tiffany. After I purchased the diamond, I got it appraised, as sugguested by you guys.


Thanks!
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Congrats :) would love to see some pictures :):):):)
 
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