1st time - please advise.

[nlld]

Hello all. Thank you so much for this forum. I''ve been doing research for some time now and I think I found the stone I want. I am a poor, very poor graduate student... so please don''t make too much fun of the size

. I just want to hear opinions regarding this diamond and the price:

Report: EGL
Shape: Round
Cut: Ideal Cut
Carat: 0.80
Color: G
Clarity: VS2
Depth: 61.2
Table: 57
Girdle: TN-
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Culet: None
Fluorescence: Negligible
Measurements: 6.04-5.97X3.68
Price: $2,740.00

I don''t have any more info on the diamond, but I''m sure I could get it if I need to. Any feedback regarding the cost and quality would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you so much! Andres.

 

[elmo]

Looks on paper like a great deal. I just don't have a whole lot of confidence in general with EGL, i.e. that the GIA wouldn't give it I-SI1. Make sure a truly independent appraiser checks it out.

 

[phoenixgirl]

A .80 is a great size.

This same exact stone is being offered by several internet dealers for $2517-$2784 (although some of these don't include shipping and some are special Price Scope discounts). I'm assuming that you found this stone on White Flash's website since the price matches? They are a highly reputable vendor. As you can see, their price for this stone is in the higher end of a very competitive range. However, since a true market is at work here, where the vendors have the information on the stone and know how much profit they can make, and also know that other vendors can offer the same exact stone for less, this is a good price, especially since it includes shipping.

Other than that, ask White Flash (or whichever vendor it is, sorry if I'm wrong) what your options are for further evaluating the stone since they probably don't have it in stock. EGL is not the most stringent lab in their grading, meaning that if it had been sent to the GIA, it might have been graded an H SI1 or so. That is why you see EGL G VS2's selling for about the same as GIA H SI1s. A sarin analysis or brilliancescope report would be great.

 

[strmrdr]

imho with this type of diamond ie:
egl cert
brokered
not enough information.

There are 2 ways to go.
1: Have the vendor get it in and eyeball it for you. Then have it shipped to an independant appraiser post sale with a return policy.

2: Have it shipped directly to an independant appraiser. pre sale.

It could be a great diamond but there really isnt anyway of telling untill an expert actualy has it in their hands.

 

[fire&ice]

Has the potential of being a very nice stone. I think the .80-.88 or so is a great size in the bang for the buck department. Is the EGL cert a US one or Israel? This is an important distinction. Also, EGL certs usually include the crown & pavillion percentages. Is this information listed?

To drop 10 & punt - I would consider going H/SI1.

Good luck.

 

[nlld]

Thank you all!

Fire&Ice:
I am not sure were the certification is from. I will contact whiteflash today and see if they know. Also the other info you requested is not listed.

"To drop 10 & punt"

What did you mean by that? Sorry - I am new to the diamond talk. Cheers, Andres

 

[fire&ice]

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On 12/31/2003 9:47:15 AM nlld wrote:

Thank you all!

'To drop 10 & punt'

What did you mean by that? Sorry - I am new to the diamond talk. Cheers, Andres----------------

It's my ammended nod to a Football expression. It means to give up the current field position. Turn the ball over & regroup for the next round. So, think outside of this G/VS2 stone. In a stone this size going the H (near colorless) SI1 route (slightly imperfect - many of the stones in this size are eye clean - remember clarity is graded under 10x) will either save you money or bump up the carat weight.

Heck, I'm the renagage that says go with I/J - SI2.

Edited to add: EGL Israel Certs do not pass muster amoung the dealers/appraisers on this board. I do not have first hand experience just trust someone who has. I do have first hand experience w/ EGL US cert. Color was on the money if not better. Clarity was marginally leaning toward SI2 rather than the SI1 grade the EGL gave. Price was in line w/ the SI2 grade anyway.

 

[fire&ice]

sorry, read my edited post on EGL certs.

 

[highendgems]

I totally disagree with going the SI2/J route. True, some stones face up better than others, but in the .80 size, there is no need to go as low as SI2 unless you are really concerned about finances. EGL certs. have been increasingly strict, as long as they are USA certified, especially from the NYC EGL office. I would go as far to say, a USA EGL cert. within the last 6 months is almost as accurate as a GIA. I would get the stone looked at before buying to confirm how it faces up relative to the cert. values.

SRI
highendgems/SRI USA Companies

 

[nlld]

Thanks! fire...
Thanks! Fire&Ice, this is a statement from Whiteflash. I understand there is a general perception that whiteflash is an outstanding merchant with great reputation. I would have the ring appraised again during the 10 day return window, but this sounds reassuring to me:

FROM WWW.WHITEFLASH.COM

Free Verification
Every diamond and/or ring that is sold by Whiteflash.com is primarily inspected by our in house expert. In addition, every loose diamond and/or diamond ring is personally inspected by an independent appraiser who issues a signed Letter of Verification confirming:

The weight/color/clarity of the diamond and that all measurements match the original grading document from AGS, GIA or EGL.
Laser inscriptions (where they apply)
Setting details
Approximate retail replacement value.
This Letter of Verification accompanies your purchase, confirming the contents of your package and ensuring your secure shopping experience.

 

[Giangi]

From the data, it looks like an EGL Israel. It looks like a very good deal, assuming it's not an I/SI 1.

Alos, a 0.80carater is a VERY respectable size and has nothing to hide!!!
Look what I found with a really quick search:

0.83 J/VS 1 H&A

0.755 G/SI 1 A CUT ABOVE

0.763 I/VS 2

 

[fire&ice]

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On 12/31/2003 10:39:51 AM highendgems wrote:

I totally disagree with going the SI2/J route. , there is no need to go as low as SI2 unless you are really concerned about finances. ------------

It might behoove you to comprehend what the initial poster stated. He stated he is a poor, very poor Grad Student. Clearly, finances are a concern. Been there. Done that, Nlld!