1.8 D, VS2 or 2.01 G, VS2

[princessbrandy80]

Hello,

Any opinions on these two diamonds would be appreciated....I really want to get a 2 carat D colored diamond. These two diamonds aren''t the same weight, but the D is $14,900 and the G is $21900. Which is a better deal? The face size is pretty similar--so I was thinking that a 1.8 instead of a 2.0 would be ok, because its going to face about the same?

$14,900
Shape: Princess
Carat weight: 1.81
Cut: Premium
Color: D
Clarity: VS2
Certificate: GIA

Depth: 71.9%
Table: 75.0%
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Girdle: Slightly thick
Culet: None
Fluorescence: Faint
Measurements: 6.63*6.64*4.77
Ratio: 1.00

OR

$21,900
Report: AGS
. Shape: A Cut Above Princess
. Carat: 2.010
. Depth %: 74.9
. Table %: 68.6
. Crown Angle: 41.8
. Crown %: 12.5
. Pavilion Angle: 39.9
. Pavilion %: 59.5
. Girdle: Thin to Medium
. Measurements: 6.85-6.81X5.10
. Light Performance: 0
. Polish: Ideal
. Symmetry: Ideal
. Culet: Pointed
. Fluorescence: Negligible


Thanks for the help!

 

[neatfreak]

Well based solely on the info you gave, I''d go for the ACA because you know the cut is impeccable which will go a LONG way towards making the diamond look bigger. Do you have images of the first stone? That could sway my opinion that way, but without them I would worry it isn''t as nice of a cut.

 

[princessbrandy80]

Date: 10/15/2008 8:26:17 PM
Author: neatfreak
Well based solely on the info you gave, I''d go for the ACA because you know the cut is impeccable which will go a LONG way towards making the diamond look bigger. Do you have images of the first stone? That could sway my opinion that way, but without them I would worry it isn''t as nice of a cut.

Nope...no images...and when I requested them I was told that due to a holiday, I would have to wait until Friday. So you think $21,900 is a fair price for a G ?

 

[princessbrandy80]

What about this third option? Out of the first two and this one...which one would you choose?

Shape: Princess
Carat Weight: 2.00ct
Color: F
Clarity: VS2
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Very Good
Fluorescence: None
Culet: None
Lab Report: GIA
Lab Report #: 14639031
In House: Yes
Width: 6.85mm
Length: 6.94mm
Depth: 5.16mm
Table Percentage: 64.70%
Depth Percentage: 75.30%
Crown Depth: 12.10%
Pavilion Depth: 4.22%

 

[princessbrandy80]

Date: 10/15/2008 8:36:06 PM
Author: princessbrandy80
What about this third option? Out of the first two and this one...which one would you choose?

Shape: Princess
Carat Weight: 2.00ct
Color: F
Clarity: VS2
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Very Good
Fluorescence: None
Culet: None
Lab Report: GIA
Lab Report #: 14639031
In House: Yes
Width: 6.85mm
Length: 6.94mm
Depth: 5.16mm
Table Percentage: 64.70%
Depth Percentage: 75.30%
Crown Depth: 12.10%
Pavilion Depth: 4.22%

Oops.....I forgot to mention this F one is $20,500.

 

[neatfreak]

I'd still choose the G because of the cut (which is the creme de la creme here)...with fancy stones you just can't rely on the numbers alone.

 

[gorri8]

wow your princess cut is pretty cheap on price. why is that? And it is also a D color and VS2. what site did you go on?

 

[stone-cold11]

Still the ACA, as it is a safer bet unless we have some ASET/IS to judge by.

 

[neatfreak]

Date: 10/15/2008 8:40:50 PM
Author: gorri8
wow your princess cut is pretty cheap on price. why is that? And it is also a D color and VS2. what site did you go on?

Potentially it's because it isn't nicely cut. We just don't know without images. Princesses are also cheaper than the same size RB, but they face up much smaller. So it's a trade off, you can get a technically bigger carat weight princess, but it'll still face up much smaller than a similarly sized round.

 

[gorri8]

neatfreak, do you think I made a good deal on mine?? I mean price and all, with cut and clarity???

 

[princessbrandy80]

Ok, so you really think I will be happy with the color of the G? I''m really sensitive to color and I just feel like the G is going to be too dark...Is $21,900 a fair price for a G like that?

 

[neatfreak]

Date: 10/15/2008 9:13:46 PM
Author: princessbrandy80
Ok, so you really think I will be happy with the color of the G? I'm really sensitive to color and I just feel like the G is going to be too dark...Is $21,900 a fair price for a G like that?

Have you seen an AGS graded G in person? Or are the only "G"'s you've seen in person the ones at maul stores? Dark isn't quite the word I would use to describe it. 99% of people would never notice the color in an AGS graded G.

 

[princessbrandy80]

Date: 10/15/2008 9:17:17 PM
Author: neatfreak

Date: 10/15/2008 9:13:46 PM
Author: princessbrandy80
Ok, so you really think I will be happy with the color of the G? I''m really sensitive to color and I just feel like the G is going to be too dark...Is $21,900 a fair price for a G like that?

Have you seen an AGS graded G in person? Or are the only ''G''''s you''ve seen in person the ones at maul stores? Dark isn''t quite the word I would use to describe it. 99% of people would never notice the color in an AGS graded G.

I saw a GIA, G SI1 in person...the symmetry was excellent and so was the polish--I could immediately see the 2 mm flaw down the center of the stone--the store I am working with is supposed to get in a G, VS2 with excellent/excellent. I''m going to look at it tomorrow. I guess I just want it to be as white as possible but I also want a lot of sparkle.

 

[:)]

PB, here is the link to the F stone so that people can look at the images. It is 20,500.
http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/4785/

I would go with this one because it is
1. cheaper than the WF one, while
2. being higher in color (F), which is what you have already noted is important to you.

You would need aset pics on the D for consideration.

 

[neatfreak]

Date: 10/15/2008 9:41:47 PM
Author:
PB, here is the link to the F stone so that people can look at the images. It is 20,500.

http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/4785/


I would go with this one because it is

1. cheaper than the WF one, while

2. being higher in color (F), which is what you have already noted is important to you.


You would need aset pics on the D for consideration.

That would be a nice choice!

 

[princessbrandy80]

So no one likes the D? I don''t have an IS or an ASET on the D because they are closed for some sort of holiday.

 

[neatfreak]

Date: 10/15/2008 9:59:01 PM
Author: princessbrandy80
So no one likes the D? I don''t have an IS or an ASET on the D because they are closed for some sort of holiday.

Princess, we CANNOT in good faith recommend the D because we literally have no useful information on it without those images. It could be great, it could be horrible, we just don''t know. THAT is why no one will recommend it. Can you not put your favorite out of the others on hold for a few days and then wait for the ASET on the D?

 

[:)]

Table is a bit large on the D, but if you can get an ASET image, by all means do so! I wonder why the report is from August on that one and they don't yet have images posted on line for it yet.


ETA: Ditto neatfreak - we were posting at the same time (I was looking on the JA site while posting)

 

[kaori]

I perfer the G 2 ct. one.

 

[CharmyPoo]

My comment might sound a little silly but color and clarity are only two factors. To me, the cut is the most important factor. It is the deal breaker for me. Although, no one in real life will ever ask .. what is the depth, table and pavillion angle on your diamond? Yet, many ask about specs.. and receive the traditional X.X carat, color and clarity answer.

 

[LtlFirecracker]

I agree that with everyone above that no one can recommend the D diamond without more info on cut.

However, it would be nice if you can get that info, because a large part of the price difference may just be that magic number (2 cts). If you are not concerned with that magic number, you could save yourself some money by getting a slightly smaller stone.

Lets say the the D is not well cut, than I would probably lean toward the F diamond. It sounds like your vision is a lot like mine. I am color sensitive and I can spot things in stones no one elce can see. I have an F and a G diamond, and set, they look icy white, but your stone may show more color because it is larger. I don''t see any clarity grade on the G stone. I would talk to all the vendors and make sure whatever stone you get is eyeclean, and make sure you give them your definition of eye clean.

 

[strmrdr]

cant answer until I see ASET images for both diamonds.
For me if the 1.81 ASET looks good saving 7k is a no brainer.

 

[princessbrandy80]

Ok...so I''m still waiting on the 1.8 D, VS2 IS/ASET but I found this one...any thoughts on it?

http://www.whiteflash.com/princess/Princess-cut-diamond-1480510.htm

2.02 f, vs2
Report: GIA
. Shape: Princess
. Carat: 2.02
. Depth %: 71.3
. Table %: 72
. Girdle: TN-M
. Measurements: 7.17-6.97X4.97
. Polish: Excellent
. Symmetry: Excellent
. Culet: None
. Fluorescence: None

 

[neatfreak]

Date: 10/17/2008 9:13:22 PM
Author: princessbrandy80
Ok...so I'm still waiting on the 1.8 D, VS2 IS/ASET but I found this one...any thoughts on it?


http://www.whiteflash.com/princess/Princess-cut-diamond-1480510.htm


2.02 f, vs2

Report: GIA

. Shape: Princess

. Carat: 2.02

. Depth %: 71.3

. Table %: 72

. Girdle: TN-M

. Measurements: 7.17-6.97X4.97

. Polish: Excellent

. Symmetry: Excellent

. Culet: None

. Fluorescence: None

Same thing as before honey. No pictures or ASET, we can't judge. If it's an ES stone though, which it looks like it is, WF should be able to provide those things for you.

 

[princessbrandy80]

I went to a local jewelry store today and the person there told me that IS and ASET pictures will tell you nothing about the quality of a diamond. Now I do not agree with this, because I can see the difference between a good ASET/IS and a bad ASET/IS--after researching how the scopes work--but why would the jeweler say something like that? I would also like to point out that she "sold" me on buying a 2.02 F, VS2 with ex/ex for $21,995--I found the exact diamond online thru pricescope for $18600-$19000. a $3500 markup is so greedy!


Needless to say I''m not buying a diamond anywhere BUT online...so please help me find the best diamond. I want one that will be super sparkly, 2 carats and colorless....suggestions? I don''t want to be over $22K--but I would like to get it closer to $20K.

 

[princessbrandy80]

Date: 10/17/2008 9:35:10 PM
Author: neatfreak

Date: 10/17/2008 9:13:22 PM
Author: princessbrandy80

Ok...so I''m still waiting on the 1.8 D, VS2 IS/ASET but I found this one...any thoughts on it?


http://www.whiteflash.com/princess/Princess-cut-diamond-1480510.htm


2.02 f, vs2

Report: GIA

. Shape: Princess

. Carat: 2.02

. Depth %: 71.3

. Table %: 72

. Girdle: TN-M

. Measurements: 7.17-6.97X4.97

. Polish: Excellent

. Symmetry: Excellent

. Culet: None

. Fluorescence: None

Same thing as before honey. No pictures or ASET, we can''t judge. If it''s an ES stone though, which it looks like it is, WF should be able to provide those things for you.

The diamond I posted above is THE diamond I saw at the jeweler today!!!

 

[neatfreak]

Date: 10/17/2008 9:40:15 PM
Author: princessbrandy80
I went to a local jewelry store today and the person there told me that IS and ASET pictures will tell you nothing about the quality of a diamond. Now I do not agree with this, because I can see the difference between a good ASET/IS and a bad ASET/IS--after researching how the scopes work--but why would the jeweler say something like that? I would also like to point out that she ''sold'' me on buying a 2.02 F, VS2 with ex/ex for $21,995--I found the exact diamond online thru pricescope for $18600-$19000. a $3500 markup is so greedy!



Needless to say I''m not buying a diamond anywhere BUT online...so please help me find the best diamond. I want one that will be super sparkly, 2 carats and colorless....suggestions? I don''t want to be over $22K--but I would like to get it closer to $20K.

They tell you that because they know that their stones generally won''t stack up if put under an ASET/IS scope and/or they are ignorant and don''t know what they are.

 

[princessbrandy80]

Date: 10/17/2008 10:18:52 PM
Author: neatfreak

Date: 10/17/2008 9:40:15 PM
Author: princessbrandy80
I went to a local jewelry store today and the person there told me that IS and ASET pictures will tell you nothing about the quality of a diamond. Now I do not agree with this, because I can see the difference between a good ASET/IS and a bad ASET/IS--after researching how the scopes work--but why would the jeweler say something like that? I would also like to point out that she ''sold'' me on buying a 2.02 F, VS2 with ex/ex for $21,995--I found the exact diamond online thru pricescope for $18600-$19000. a $3500 markup is so greedy!



Needless to say I''m not buying a diamond anywhere BUT online...so please help me find the best diamond. I want one that will be super sparkly, 2 carats and colorless....suggestions? I don''t want to be over $22K--but I would like to get it closer to $20K.

They tell you that because they know that their stones generally won''t stack up if put under an ASET/IS scope and/or they are ignorant and don''t know what they are.

Ya, she told me she is GIA certified and she has never even heard of an ASET or IS. So I''m not sure if she was just ignorant or lying to me. When I described an ASET/IS to her she said that something like that is useless because it only take a snapshot of the diamond and it doesn''t look at all angles.