1.72 Ct Tiffany (I''m stressing out)

[Hoos]

After a 4 month long search,I have decided to buy this ring from Tiffany.I don''t want to regret later.So please help me to make an informed decision.Should I buy it? Here are my concerns:

1. Under the ideal scope,the diamond lacks of clearly/perfectly defined arrows.

2. VG symmetry/VG polish

3. faint fluorescence




1.72 F VS1

Ex cut/VG symmetry/VG polish

depth 61.9

table 55

Crown angle 34.4
crown height 15.5
pavilion angle 40.8
pavilion depth 43


HCA score 1.3:

Light Return Excellent
Fire Excellent
Scintillation Excellent
Spread Very Good

 

[Kelli]

I was told by several jewelers that vg polish and symm are no problem at all and a normal person will never be able to tell the difference. something about internal/external symm as opposed to optical symm. Don''t remember the details but I''m sure you could find some threads on that. I would LOVE the fluorescence personally, but am under the impression that there are NO issues to worry about if it''s only faint anyway. I don''t know about the arrows though. To me that would depend on whether or not you can see a problem without the scope.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

What is the diameter measurement? Does she only want Tiffany brand?

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Other options, ideal cut:

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4420/

http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-283314.htm

 

[Hoos]

7.67/7.71/4.76 mm

Yes She wants Tiffany or Cartier

 

[mercoledi]

You should be able to get Tiff''s to bring in a couple of stones in your size (though that is a tough mark, smack between two magic numbers!) to evaluate side by side. Maybe that way you can find one that''s a little better cut.

 

[Hoos]

Thank you all!

Actually Tiffany did bring in 5 rings to let me see.This ring by far is the best among them.(crown/pavilion/table)

 

[Hoos]

Based on parameters,is it a great stone over all ?

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Date: 6/9/2008 6:28:16 PM
Author: Hoos
7.67/7.71/4.76 mm

Yes She wants Tiffany or Cartier

Then I think you have a winner! She is a very lucky girl!

 

[DMBgal82]

Do it! I love my solitaire and wouldn''t change it for the world.

 

[angeline]

I think the numbers look great! Don''t worry about the VG symm and polish, the naked eye could never discern the difference between that and excellent.

Faint fluor will make NO difference to the stone whatsoever.

The only remaining thing is the lack of arrows. Hearts and arrows is kind of recent in diamond cutting history. Doesn''t mean it''s not an exceptional looking diamond lacking the arrows.

The most important thing is that you got to see it with your eyes and choose it from 5 stones. It must have looked good to you?

I think (given your FI wants from Tiff or Cartier) that you have found an absolute winner! Sure you could get a super-ideal with those crisp arrows from another vendor, but not everyone is in love with those arrows anyway. There have been thread on this.

Relax and enjoy! I am positive your girlfriend (soon-to-be FI) will be blown away. That''s a nice-sized diamond.

Just remember to post pics for us hungry hounds!

 

[kmick]

Date: 6/9/2008 5:18:16 PM
Author:Hoos
After a 4 month long search,I have decided to buy this ring from Tiffany.I don''t want to regret later.So please help me to make an informed decision.Should I buy it? Here are my concerns:

1. Under the ideal scope,the diamond lacks of clearly/perfectly defined arrows.

2. VG symmetry/VG polish

3. faint fluorescence




1.72 F VS1

Ex cut/VG symmetry/VG polish

depth 61.9

table 55

Crown angle 34.4
crown height 15.5
pavilion angle 40.8
pavilion depth 43


HCA score 1.3:

Light Return Excellent
Fire Excellent
Scintillation Excellent
Spread Very Good

if i were you id go with a 2.75 - 3 carat ring online, probably about the same price as the tiff and way bigger. no one''s gonna know the brand.

 

[Lorelei]

The diamond looks good!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Date: 6/10/2008 11:34:07 AM
Author: kmick


if i were you id go with a 2.75 - 3 carat ring online, probably about the same price as the tiff and way bigger. no one''s gonna know the brand.

Well, the most important person will certainly know. He said she wants Tiffany or Cartier, so I assume she knows she could get a much larger diamond in a similar setting but still chooses the brand name.

 

[jewelerman]

Im with kimick...Tiffany is a well known brand,but what women wouldnt want to go big and quality!I would discuss with her the option of going with a lesser well known source that can give her that exact same quality for less money.

 

[Mrs.Hall(almost)]

I know if you polled many women they would rather a bigger rock with the same quality versus the little blue box, yes, it is Tiffany, your only paying for the name however.

 

[denverappraiser]

Date: 6/10/2008 11:34:07 AM
Author: kmick
if i were you id go with a 2.75 - 3 carat ring online, probably about the same price as the tiff and way bigger. no one''s gonna know the brand.

I disagree. SHE will know the brand. If what she wants is Tiffany, give her Tiffany.

Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA
Professional Jewelry Appraisals in Denver

 

[canuk-gal]

Date: 6/10/2008 11:59:41 AM
Author: diamondseeker2006

Date: 6/10/2008 11:34:07 AM
Author: kmick


if i were you id go with a 2.75 - 3 carat ring online, probably about the same price as the tiff and way bigger. no one''s gonna know the brand.

Well, the most important person will certainly know. He said she wants Tiffany or Cartier, so I assume she knows she could get a much larger diamond in a similar setting but still chooses the brand name.

HI:

Exactamundo.

cheers--Sharon

 

[Allison D.]

Date: 6/10/2008 12:09:55 PM
Author: jewelerman
Im with kimick...Tiffany is a well known brand,but what women wouldnt want to go big and quality!I would discuss with her the option of going with a lesser well known source that can give her that exact same quality for less money.

My guess would be 'the women to whom the Tiffany brand is more important than size'.

All women aren't the same, so all their wants aren't the same.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 6/10/2008 12:16:23 PM
Author: denverappraiser

Date: 6/10/2008 11:34:07 AM
Author: kmick
if i were you id go with a 2.75 - 3 carat ring online, probably about the same price as the tiff and way bigger. no one''s gonna know the brand.

I disagree. SHE will know the brand. If what she wants is Tiffany, give her Tiffany.

Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA
Professional Jewelry Appraisals in Denver

yeah....before she finds out about Harry Winston !!!

 

[kmick]

Date: 6/10/2008 1:21:51 PM
Author: Allison D.

Date: 6/10/2008 12:09:55 PM
Author: jewelerman
Im with kimick...Tiffany is a well known brand,but what women wouldnt want to go big and quality!I would discuss with her the option of going with a lesser well known source that can give her that exact same quality for less money.

My guess would be ''the women to whom the Tiffany brand is more important than size''.

All women aren''t the same, so all their wants aren''t the same.

i dont get it.....what makes a tiffany diamond so much more special than another diamond aside from a huge price increase.....?? anyone??

is the ring going to have a blue box attached to it?

 

[JSM]

I am certainly more about the size than the store - but many people are very brand conscious. Whether it''s because, for them, the name is synonymous with quality, it is a status symbol, they prefer the precision of the Tiffany setting, or maybe they just like the box! Different strokes for different folks, as my fiance likes to say.


If she wants Tiffany, buy her Tiffany! The fact that he listened to her wants and desires will mean far more than a bigger diamond!

 

[emeraldlover1]

Date: 6/12/2008 3:55:40 PM
Author: kmick

Date: 6/10/2008 1:21:51 PM
Author: Allison D.

Date: 6/10/2008 12:09:55 PM
Author: jewelerman
Im with kimick...Tiffany is a well known brand,but what women wouldnt want to go big and quality!I would discuss with her the option of going with a lesser well known source that can give her that exact same quality for less money.

My guess would be ''the women to whom the Tiffany brand is more important than size''.

All women aren''t the same, so all their wants aren''t the same.

i dont get it.....what makes a tiffany diamond so much more special than another diamond aside from a huge price increase.....?? anyone??

is the ring going to have a blue box attached to it?

I imagine for similar reasons certian pricescopers would prefer a Leon Mege over others. I know that I personally really wanted a Leon Mege but in the end wound up going with ERD. I still would really like a Leon Mege someday but right now ERD is the best option for me. Some people would dissagree. See what I mean?

 

[honey22]

Date: 6/12/2008 4:08:01 PM
Author: emeraldlover1

Date: 6/12/2008 3:55:40 PM

Author: kmick

Date: 6/10/2008 1:21:51 PM

Author: Allison D.

Date: 6/10/2008 12:09:55 PM

Author: jewelerman

Im with kimick...Tiffany is a well known brand,but what women wouldnt want to go big and quality!I would discuss with her the option of going with a lesser well known source that can give her that exact same quality for less money.

My guess would be ''the women to whom the Tiffany brand is more important than size''.


All women aren''t the same, so all their wants aren''t the same.

i dont get it.....what makes a tiffany diamond so much more special than another diamond aside from a huge price increase.....?? anyone??


is the ring going to have a blue box attached to it?

I imagine for similar reasons certian pricescopers would prefer a Leon Mege over others. I know that I personally really wanted a Leon Mege but in the end wound up going with ERD. I still would really like a Leon Mege someday but right now ERD is the best option for me. Some people would dissagree. See what I mean?

IMHO I think people want a Leon for different reasons for wanting a Tiffs (sorry Emeraldlover

) . I think Leon is truly a master at what he does and really offers a high quality product. I think you would be hard-pressed to find equal or better quality. On the other hand, with Tiffs you are simply paying for the name, the blue box, the fancy (but gorgeous) showrooms, the free champagne when you purchase etc etc. It''s quite easy to find a better quality stone online at a much better price. Don''t get me wrong, I love Tiffs jewellery! However, I am a bit of a TA so I would rather save money. BUT that''s me - if the lady has her heart set on a Tiffs ring then she should have that. She will probably quickly forget that she could have gone larger, but I don''t think she would easily forget that her ring didn''t come in a blue box if that was what she really wanted all along.

 

[emeraldlover1]

Date: 6/12/2008 4:57:37 PM
Author: honey22

Date: 6/12/2008 4:08:01 PM
Author: emeraldlover1

Date: 6/12/2008 3:55:40 PM

Author: kmick

Date: 6/10/2008 1:21:51 PM

Author: Allison D.

Date: 6/10/2008 12:09:55 PM

Author: jewelerman

Im with kimick...Tiffany is a well known brand,but what women wouldnt want to go big and quality!I would discuss with her the option of going with a lesser well known source that can give her that exact same quality for less money.

My guess would be ''the women to whom the Tiffany brand is more important than size''.


All women aren''t the same, so all their wants aren''t the same.

i dont get it.....what makes a tiffany diamond so much more special than another diamond aside from a huge price increase.....?? anyone??


is the ring going to have a blue box attached to it?

I imagine for similar reasons certian pricescopers would prefer a Leon Mege over others. I know that I personally really wanted a Leon Mege but in the end wound up going with ERD. I still would really like a Leon Mege someday but right now ERD is the best option for me. Some people would dissagree. See what I mean?

IMHO I think people want a Leon for different reasons for wanting a Tiffs (sorry Emeraldlover

) . I think Leon is truly a master at what he does and really offers a high quality product. I think you would be hard-pressed to find equal or better quality. On the other hand, with Tiffs you are simply paying for the name, the blue box, the fancy (but gorgeous) showrooms, the free champagne when you purchase etc etc. It''s quite easy to find a better quality stone online at a much better price. Don''t get me wrong, I love Tiffs jewellery! However, I am a bit of a TA so I would rather save money. BUT that''s me - if the lady has her heart set on a Tiffs ring then she should have that. She will probably quickly forget that she could have gone larger, but I don''t think she would easily forget that her ring didn''t come in a blue box if that was what she really wanted all along.

Honey22...please don''t miss understand...I meant perception. We all know the truth however preception sometimes = reality. To certian pricscopers Leon = perfection. To certian people not as facinated with diamonds/settings Tiffany = perfection. Perfection = something people want in their engagement rings. So, it may not be possible to change ones mind if they are not open to change. If the girl wants Tiff....get her tiff.

It was my understanding that most people percieve Tiff to be a quality product but it comes with a price tag.

 

[honey22]

Date: 6/12/2008 10:30:59 PM
Author: emeraldlover1

Date: 6/12/2008 4:57:37 PM
Author: honey22

Date: 6/12/2008 4:08:01 PM
Author: emeraldlover1

Date: 6/12/2008 3:55:40 PM

Author: kmick

Date: 6/10/2008 1:21:51 PM

Author: Allison D.

Date: 6/10/2008 12:09:55 PM

Author: jewelerman

Im with kimick...Tiffany is a well known brand,but what women wouldnt want to go big and quality!I would discuss with her the option of going with a lesser well known source that can give her that exact same quality for less money.

My guess would be ''the women to whom the Tiffany brand is more important than size''.


All women aren''t the same, so all their wants aren''t the same.

i dont get it.....what makes a tiffany diamond so much more special than another diamond aside from a huge price increase.....?? anyone??


is the ring going to have a blue box attached to it?

I imagine for similar reasons certian pricescopers would prefer a Leon Mege over others. I know that I personally really wanted a Leon Mege but in the end wound up going with ERD. I still would really like a Leon Mege someday but right now ERD is the best option for me. Some people would dissagree. See what I mean?

IMHO I think people want a Leon for different reasons for wanting a Tiffs (sorry Emeraldlover

) . I think Leon is truly a master at what he does and really offers a high quality product. I think you would be hard-pressed to find equal or better quality. On the other hand, with Tiffs you are simply paying for the name, the blue box, the fancy (but gorgeous) showrooms, the free champagne when you purchase etc etc. It''s quite easy to find a better quality stone online at a much better price. Don''t get me wrong, I love Tiffs jewellery! However, I am a bit of a TA so I would rather save money. BUT that''s me - if the lady has her heart set on a Tiffs ring then she should have that. She will probably quickly forget that she could have gone larger, but I don''t think she would easily forget that her ring didn''t come in a blue box if that was what she really wanted all along.

Honey22...please don''t miss understand...I meant perception. We all know the truth however preception sometimes = reality. To certian pricscopers Leon = perfection. To certian people not as facinated with diamonds/settings Tiffany = perfection. Perfection = something people want in their engagement rings. So, it may not be possible to change ones mind if they are not open to change. If the girl wants Tiff....get her tiff.

It was my understanding that most people percieve Tiff to be a quality product but it comes with a price tag.

Totally true! I understand what you are saying now - sometimes I just need it spelled out

My PS addiction is very private and people are often shocked when I casually say I wouldn''t buy a ring at Tiffs. They simply can''t believe that you could buy better diamonds. I can''t explain PS without letting my secrets out so to speak, so I try to avoid selling PS at the moment. It is all about perception and I have to agree with you, I think a Leon is getting pretty close to perfect!!

 

[emeraldlover1]

Date: 6/13/2008 3:21:44 AM
Author: honey22

Date: 6/12/2008 10:30:59 PM
Author: emeraldlover1

Date: 6/12/2008 4:57:37 PM
Author: honey22

Date: 6/12/2008 4:08:01 PM
Author: emeraldlover1

Date: 6/12/2008 3:55:40 PM

Author: kmick

Date: 6/10/2008 1:21:51 PM

Author: Allison D.

Date: 6/10/2008 12:09:55 PM

Author: jewelerman

Im with kimick...Tiffany is a well known brand,but what women wouldnt want to go big and quality!I would discuss with her the option of going with a lesser well known source that can give her that exact same quality for less money.

My guess would be ''the women to whom the Tiffany brand is more important than size''.


All women aren''t the same, so all their wants aren''t the same.

i dont get it.....what makes a tiffany diamond so much more special than another diamond aside from a huge price increase.....?? anyone??


is the ring going to have a blue box attached to it?

I imagine for similar reasons certian pricescopers would prefer a Leon Mege over others. I know that I personally really wanted a Leon Mege but in the end wound up going with ERD. I still would really like a Leon Mege someday but right now ERD is the best option for me. Some people would dissagree. See what I mean?

IMHO I think people want a Leon for different reasons for wanting a Tiffs (sorry Emeraldlover

) . I think Leon is truly a master at what he does and really offers a high quality product. I think you would be hard-pressed to find equal or better quality. On the other hand, with Tiffs you are simply paying for the name, the blue box, the fancy (but gorgeous) showrooms, the free champagne when you purchase etc etc. It''s quite easy to find a better quality stone online at a much better price. Don''t get me wrong, I love Tiffs jewellery! However, I am a bit of a TA so I would rather save money. BUT that''s me - if the lady has her heart set on a Tiffs ring then she should have that. She will probably quickly forget that she could have gone larger, but I don''t think she would easily forget that her ring didn''t come in a blue box if that was what she really wanted all along.

Honey22...please don''t miss understand...I meant perception. We all know the truth however preception sometimes = reality. To certian pricscopers Leon = perfection. To certian people not as facinated with diamonds/settings Tiffany = perfection. Perfection = something people want in their engagement rings. So, it may not be possible to change ones mind if they are not open to change. If the girl wants Tiff....get her tiff.

It was my understanding that most people percieve Tiff to be a quality product but it comes with a price tag.

Totally true! I understand what you are saying now - sometimes I just need it spelled out

My PS addiction is very private and people are often shocked when I casually say I wouldn''t buy a ring at Tiffs. They simply can''t believe that you could buy better diamonds. I can''t explain PS without letting my secrets out so to speak, so I try to avoid selling PS at the moment. It is all about perception and I have to agree with you, I think a Leon is getting pretty close to perfect!!

Its funny, I''m in sales as a profession so I have to be very carefull what I say because people always think that I''m trying to sell them something. Its a blessing and a curse. My family and friends are the worst though. My FF was so hesitant at first about ps and the vendors here but after he met Mark, that put his mind at ease. I think he was surprised a little because I love certian brands and would love to own a Cartier watch someday however when it came to my ER I wanted the best bang for our buck.

Honey 22, you are cute, you don''t need it spelled out, I just wanted to restate because I think that LM and tiff are both quality products but you would be much more apt to talk me out of a Tiff than an LM.

Enough with the thread jack. I think its an interesting conversation but we could beat our head agains the wall trying to talk someone out of a Tiff if thats what they want.

 

[kmick]

Date: 6/12/2008 10:30:59 PM
Author: emeraldlover1

Date: 6/12/2008 4:57:37 PM
Author: honey22

Date: 6/12/2008 4:08:01 PM
Author: emeraldlover1

Date: 6/12/2008 3:55:40 PM

Author: kmick

Date: 6/10/2008 1:21:51 PM

Author: Allison D.

Date: 6/10/2008 12:09:55 PM

Author: jewelerman

Im with kimick...Tiffany is a well known brand,but what women wouldnt want to go big and quality!I would discuss with her the option of going with a lesser well known source that can give her that exact same quality for less money.

My guess would be ''the women to whom the Tiffany brand is more important than size''.


All women aren''t the same, so all their wants aren''t the same.

i dont get it.....what makes a tiffany diamond so much more special than another diamond aside from a huge price increase.....?? anyone??


is the ring going to have a blue box attached to it?

I imagine for similar reasons certian pricescopers would prefer a Leon Mege over others. I know that I personally really wanted a Leon Mege but in the end wound up going with ERD. I still would really like a Leon Mege someday but right now ERD is the best option for me. Some people would dissagree. See what I mean?

IMHO I think people want a Leon for different reasons for wanting a Tiffs (sorry Emeraldlover

) . I think Leon is truly a master at what he does and really offers a high quality product. I think you would be hard-pressed to find equal or better quality. On the other hand, with Tiffs you are simply paying for the name, the blue box, the fancy (but gorgeous) showrooms, the free champagne when you purchase etc etc. It''s quite easy to find a better quality stone online at a much better price. Don''t get me wrong, I love Tiffs jewellery! However, I am a bit of a TA so I would rather save money. BUT that''s me - if the lady has her heart set on a Tiffs ring then she should have that. She will probably quickly forget that she could have gone larger, but I don''t think she would easily forget that her ring didn''t come in a blue box if that was what she really wanted all along.

Honey22...please don''t miss understand...I meant perception. We all know the truth however preception sometimes = reality. To certian pricscopers Leon = perfection. To certian people not as facinated with diamonds/settings Tiffany = perfection. Perfection = something people want in their engagement rings. So, it may not be possible to change ones mind if they are not open to change. If the girl wants Tiff....get her tiff.

It was my understanding that most people percieve Tiff to be a quality product but it comes with a price tag.

Ok, still no one can explain to me why Tiffany = Perfection???? What are they doing so much better than other jewelers, someone please tell me and maybe I''ll agree....

So far the only explanation i''ve gotten is you get a blue box and the name Tiffany = perfection. Not really convincing me of anything.

 

[emeraldlover1]

Date: 6/13/2008 10:19:13 AM
Author: kmick

Date: 6/12/2008 10:30:59 PM
Author: emeraldlover1

Date: 6/12/2008 4:57:37 PM
Author: honey22

Date: 6/12/2008 4:08:01 PM
Author: emeraldlover1

Date: 6/12/2008 3:55:40 PM

Author: kmick

Date: 6/10/2008 1:21:51 PM

Author: Allison D.

Date: 6/10/2008 12:09:55 PM

Author: jewelerman

Im with kimick...Tiffany is a well known brand,but what women wouldnt want to go big and quality!I would discuss with her the option of going with a lesser well known source that can give her that exact same quality for less money.

My guess would be ''the women to whom the Tiffany brand is more important than size''.


All women aren''t the same, so all their wants aren''t the same.

i dont get it.....what makes a tiffany diamond so much more special than another diamond aside from a huge price increase.....?? anyone??


is the ring going to have a blue box attached to it?

I imagine for similar reasons certian pricescopers would prefer a Leon Mege over others. I know that I personally really wanted a Leon Mege but in the end wound up going with ERD. I still would really like a Leon Mege someday but right now ERD is the best option for me. Some people would dissagree. See what I mean?

IMHO I think people want a Leon for different reasons for wanting a Tiffs (sorry Emeraldlover

) . I think Leon is truly a master at what he does and really offers a high quality product. I think you would be hard-pressed to find equal or better quality. On the other hand, with Tiffs you are simply paying for the name, the blue box, the fancy (but gorgeous) showrooms, the free champagne when you purchase etc etc. It''s quite easy to find a better quality stone online at a much better price. Don''t get me wrong, I love Tiffs jewellery! However, I am a bit of a TA so I would rather save money. BUT that''s me - if the lady has her heart set on a Tiffs ring then she should have that. She will probably quickly forget that she could have gone larger, but I don''t think she would easily forget that her ring didn''t come in a blue box if that was what she really wanted all along.

Honey22...please don''t miss understand...I meant perception. We all know the truth however preception sometimes = reality. To certian pricscopers Leon = perfection. To certian people not as facinated with diamonds/settings Tiffany = perfection. Perfection = something people want in their engagement rings. So, it may not be possible to change ones mind if they are not open to change. If the girl wants Tiff....get her tiff.

It was my understanding that most people percieve Tiff to be a quality product but it comes with a price tag.

Ok, still no one can explain to me why Tiffany = Perfection???? What are they doing so much better than other jewelers, someone please tell me and maybe I''ll agree....

So far the only explanation i''ve gotten is you get a blue box and the name Tiffany = perfection. Not really convincing me of anything.

None of us are saying that we personally think that Tiffany = perfection. What we were trying to explain is that for people NOT obsessed with trying to get the best bang for the buck Tiffany may mean something different to them. Its all about perception...because can we really measure perfection?

What does tiffany do better than other jewelers? ...spend money on advertising and marketing their "Brand". To some a brand is very important. It may even be the most important.

 

[kmick]

Date: 6/13/2008 2:33:16 PM
Author: emeraldlover1

Date: 6/13/2008 10:19:13 AM
Author: kmick

Date: 6/12/2008 10:30:59 PM
Author: emeraldlover1

Date: 6/12/2008 4:57:37 PM
Author: honey22

Date: 6/12/2008 4:08:01 PM
Author: emeraldlover1

Date: 6/12/2008 3:55:40 PM

Author: kmick

Date: 6/10/2008 1:21:51 PM

Author: Allison D.

Date: 6/10/2008 12:09:55 PM

Author: jewelerman

Im with kimick...Tiffany is a well known brand,but what women wouldnt want to go big and quality!I would discuss with her the option of going with a lesser well known source that can give her that exact same quality for less money.

My guess would be ''the women to whom the Tiffany brand is more important than size''.


All women aren''t the same, so all their wants aren''t the same.

i dont get it.....what makes a tiffany diamond so much more special than another diamond aside from a huge price increase.....?? anyone??


is the ring going to have a blue box attached to it?

I imagine for similar reasons certian pricescopers would prefer a Leon Mege over others. I know that I personally really wanted a Leon Mege but in the end wound up going with ERD. I still would really like a Leon Mege someday but right now ERD is the best option for me. Some people would dissagree. See what I mean?

IMHO I think people want a Leon for different reasons for wanting a Tiffs (sorry Emeraldlover

) . I think Leon is truly a master at what he does and really offers a high quality product. I think you would be hard-pressed to find equal or better quality. On the other hand, with Tiffs you are simply paying for the name, the blue box, the fancy (but gorgeous) showrooms, the free champagne when you purchase etc etc. It''s quite easy to find a better quality stone online at a much better price. Don''t get me wrong, I love Tiffs jewellery! However, I am a bit of a TA so I would rather save money. BUT that''s me - if the lady has her heart set on a Tiffs ring then she should have that. She will probably quickly forget that she could have gone larger, but I don''t think she would easily forget that her ring didn''t come in a blue box if that was what she really wanted all along.

Honey22...please don''t miss understand...I meant perception. We all know the truth however preception sometimes = reality. To certian pricscopers Leon = perfection. To certian people not as facinated with diamonds/settings Tiffany = perfection. Perfection = something people want in their engagement rings. So, it may not be possible to change ones mind if they are not open to change. If the girl wants Tiff....get her tiff.

It was my understanding that most people percieve Tiff to be a quality product but it comes with a price tag.

Ok, still no one can explain to me why Tiffany = Perfection???? What are they doing so much better than other jewelers, someone please tell me and maybe I''ll agree....

So far the only explanation i''ve gotten is you get a blue box and the name Tiffany = perfection. Not really convincing me of anything.

None of us are saying that we personally think that Tiffany = perfection. What we were trying to explain is that for people NOT obsessed with trying to get the best bang for the buck Tiffany may mean something different to them. Its all about perception...because can we really measure perfection?

What does tiffany do better than other jewelers? ...spend money on advertising and marketing their ''Brand''. To some a brand is very important. It may even be the most important.

Only reason I said that is youssaid Tiffany=perfection in your post above. I guess branding aside...why is a tiffany diamond better than a non tiffany diamond?? I guess if a tiffany diamond is what you want than that''s fine. I''m buying stock in tiffany, they''re definitely doing something right to sell people diamonds for double or triple their actual worth.