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allygirl

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Hi again everyone! I didn''t know if I should post this on my original thread or not.

I just got information from the jeweler about another diamond. I think that this is why it appears that I am all over the place because the jeweler keeps sending me information on all different sizes/types of diamonds. I have narrowed it down to her but she keeps sending different sizes.

In any case, she send me this:

1.521 ct GVS1

AGS ideal 0 (older certificate again) I have asked her if she would send it back to AGS for a new cert

table 56%
crown angle 34.4%
pavillion 40.9%
crown 15.1%
pav depth 43.0%
total depth 60.7%
9.2 in the ISEE2 scanner
 
ally, the numbers look good on the stone and are very close to mine
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. i personally wouldn''t want to pay for a VS1 but some really like the higher clarity, that''s entirely up to you. are you comfortable with the price they are asking?
 
ditto, numbers look great. You could save a little money by going down in clarity, but if you want mindclean you''ve got it.
 
ally, I echo the numbers sound great. I''m not going to discourage you for the clarity. To me it''s not a "problem" per say.

I ended up with a VS1, which was not what I was looking for, but it''s really hard to find everything in one stone. If you see and love it, I''d get it.
 
Ellen,

You wouldn''t discourage me for the clarity?? What were you looking for and why didn''t you want vs1?

The diamond is a Lazarre but I don''t have the pricing yet.

I have seen so many nice diamonds on line but my jeweler just sent me this information so Ithought I''d see what you all thought.
 
Date: 9/7/2006 3:45:15 PM
Author: allygirl
Ellen,

You wouldn''t discourage me for the clarity?? What were you looking for and why didn''t you want vs1?

The diamond is a Lazarre but I don''t have the pricing yet.

I have seen so many nice diamonds on line but my jeweler just sent me this information so Ithought I''d see what you all thought.
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I was looking for VS2, maybe SI1. And actually an H, but this stone came up, and first it was the size I wanted, hard to find. Everything else looked good, and I just wasn''t willing to let it go because of clarity. But, I paid more for it. That was ok with me, as I still saved money staying under 1.5, and this is it for me, not upgrading again.

Some will say you are paying for what you can''t see. A VS1 looks no different than a VS2 and some SI1''s. But like I said, it''s really hard to get every spec you want in one diamond, so, you compromise.

Gotta run get my son from school!
 
Ally, I got a VS1, also. I personally like higher clarity. This diamond is probably fine and I really don't think it's reasonable to ask the jeweler to incur the cost of sending it back to AGS for a new cert unless you are willing to pay for it. And I'm sure you realize by now that you'll pay for the name brand, more than likely. You really, really to decide what your price target is, because you are looking at diamonds in a wide price range. It will help you narrow down the best stones within a price range if you define what that is.
 
That''s just it. I don''t really have a price range. I''d like to stay as low in price as I can of course, but do not really have a range. I am more concerned about the specifics of the diamond being perfect! I have told the jeweler exactly the size range though and she keeps coming up with larger. I have to admit, I do like the idea of owning a Lazarre! However, dont know how much nicer that a lazarre is compared to an actual ISEE2 .
 
Date: 9/7/2006 4:06:35 PM
Author: allygirl
That''s just it. I don''t really have a price range. I''d like to stay as low in price as I can of course, but do not really have a range. I am more concerned about the specifics of the diamond being perfect! I have told the jeweler exactly the size range though and she keeps coming up with larger. I have to admit, I do like the idea of owning a Lazarre! However, dont know how much nicer that a lazarre is compared to an actual ISEE2 .
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The newer isee2 diamonds are being cut very tight and they are hard to beat Im not familar with what lazarre is cutting these days but at best they will be a match. I wouldnt pay more for lazarre than an isee2 diamond.
Hope that helps :}
 
Date: 9/7/2006 4:06:35 PM
Author: allygirl
That's just it. I don't really have a price range. I'd like to stay as low in price as I can of course, but do not really have a range. I am more concerned about the specifics of the diamond being perfect! I have told the jeweler exactly the size range though and she keeps coming up with larger. I have to admit, I do like the idea of owning a Lazarre! However, dont know how much nicer that a lazarre is compared to an actual ISEE2 .
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Allygirl.....you're a Mercedes Dealership's dream come true.
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If I were a store and I had a customer who did not specify a price range, but who asked for perfection, I'd keep sending you information on better, more expensive diamonds too. Maybe the next rock they'll try to tempt you with will be even larger and more expensive.

Please, I mean absolutely no offense to you in any way. Considering options is a big part of buying a diamond, but as other's have commented, you're all over the planet and you'd probably be less confused if you just narrowed your search to a few select paramaters. You might just want to decide what size is the right size for you. You might want to decide if it's really worth spending more for clarity you might not ever be able to see. You might want to decide how color sensitive you are and is it worth buying a D vs a G or an H or an I. And of course, cut is the most supreme option. No matter what the size is, what the clarity is or what the color is, nothing matters more than the cut.

The Lazarre is probably beautifully cut, but are you willing to pay so much more for a 'branded' stone, just because it's branded? If you bought a branded stone, would you actually refer to it's brand everytime someone complimented it? There's a common quote here on PS......."Buy the Diamond, Not The Paper" Point being, you can get more for your money. If the name really means something to you and money's not a consideration, go for it, but just remember one thing.........we require pictures when you get it!!
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Best of luck and wishes to you.........
 
Okay, for all of you who are saying that I am "all over the place". You are probably correct, but my jeweler knows specifics on what I am requesting. I am in no way leading her to keep picking more expensive diamonds as a matter of fact , today, I told her that I needed to see at least 5 or 6 diamonds in my specifics and not all over the place! A mercedes benz dealers dream? I doubt it. You''ve never seen me when I am buying a new car!!! I''m a tough person to sell a car to and I give the dealer (s) a run for their money!!!

As far as a diamond, I do know basically what I am looking for-- between 1.35 and 1.55, VS or better, F or G, AGS 000 (I''d prefer the newer certificate), and I really would like to spend somewhere between $9,000 and $12,000. Of course, I''d prefer to spend less, who wouldn''t? It''s not up to me what my jeweler sends me information on!

What my jeweler sends to me at this point, is not what I am asking for. I do not know why she is all over the place but when she sends me something I just check here to see if it''s worth a look or not. Yes , two of the diamonds that I have looked at most recently have been in the $13,000s but they were near perfect and THEN I MIGHT consider spending a little more.
 
Date: 9/7/2006 5:00:13 PM
Author: allygirl
Okay, for all of you who are saying that I am ''all over the place''. You are probably correct, but my jeweler knows specifics on what I am requesting. I am in no way leading her to keep picking more expensive diamonds as a matter of fact , today, I told her that I needed to see at least 5 or 6 diamonds in my specifics and not all over the place! A mercedes benz dealers dream? I doubt it. You''ve never seen me when I am buying a new car!!! I''m a tough person to sell a car to and I give the dealer (s) a run for their money!!!

As far as a diamond, I do know basically what I am looking for-- between 1.35 and 1.55, VS or better, F or G, AGS 000 (I''d prefer the newer certificate), and I really would like to spend somewhere between $9,000 and $12,000. Of course, I''d prefer to spend less, who wouldn''t? It''s not up to me what my jeweler sends me information on!

What my jeweler sends to me at this point, is not what I am asking for. I do not know why she is all over the place but when she sends me something I just check here to see if it''s worth a look or not. Yes , two of the diamonds that I have looked at most recently have been in the $13,000s but they were near perfect and THEN I MIGHT consider spending a little more.
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If your jeweler knows what you want, and isn''t bringing it in, maybe it''s time to look for a new jeweler.

On your specs you say VS, is that VS2 or 1? If it''s 2, you might find what you want in your price range. But otherwise I can pretty much assure you, you won''t.

You have mentioned possibly wanting an Isee2. Where were you thinking of getting one? Do you know of a dealer? Or are you thinking of GoodOldGold? The people who get Isee2''s from them (me included) only got them by chance. It''s not like we special ordered one, that''s not how it works. Now, I can''t say for sure that if you told John what you wanted, he couldn''t eventually come up with one, but I thought I should make you aware of how people have come to buy one from them. And you will pay more for an Isee2. Nothing like the mark up on a Hearts on Fire, but a bit more. Frankly, I think they''re worth it.

Honestly, if I were you, I''d buy it online. Tell John what you want, and let him find it. It is so painless compared to shopping in retail shops. Been there, done that, won''t ever do it again.

That''s the best advice I can give you.
 
Well, I''ll agree with Ellen that you will not get an F or G VS1 or even V2 AGS0 above 1.5 cts. for $12,000 or under. So you need to tell that jeweler you want to look under 1.5 only. Your pricing and specs are not realistic. The 1.39 F VS1 at GOG, as you know, was $13,472, so that gives you an idea that you have to stay well under the 1.5 in an F, and likely in a G, too.

Here are two examples of what you can expect to find in G color (minus around 5% for PS/wire discount):

G VS2 1.50 $16,130 http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-2323688.htm

G VS1 1.30 $11,154 http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-2458433.htm

So you can expect to be in the 1.3 range for F-G VS diamonds if you want to stay around $12,000.
 
Well, I heard back from the jeweler. SHe is willing to bring in not only this Lazarrre but others as well. I really don''t know what to do at this point. YOu all think that this Lazarre may be the one! Any more thoughts???
 
Ally, as you can see from my post above, WF had a G VS2 at about $16,000. So the price of that Lazarre is very good if there is nothing wrong with the stone. Can you ask for a copy of the AGS cert so you can post all the numbers?
 
DS--I do have a copy of the AGS report. What other numbers would you like to see?

I''ll post the numbers that I do have and can read off of the copy.

table=56%
crown height=15.1%
pavillion depth=43.0%
total depth= 60.7%
crown angle= 34.4%
pavillion angle= 40.9%
the measurements are 7.45-7.51x4.53mm

GVS1 1.521 ct

Please let me know your thoughts. She needs to know if I want this brought in or not and I don''t know if I have all of the numbers that you need to make a decision on whether it''s worth it or not. So far, it sounds like it from what everyone has said.
 
ally, I think you should decide if you''re buying online or not. As ds said earlier, it''s not really fair to this jeweler to take up her time, and have her mounting expenses to bring in stones, if you''re not going to buy from her. It''s just not right in my opinion.
 
My jeweler is WELL aware of what is going on. She and I have reached an understanding and she is trying her best to find the "perfect diamond" for me. She also said that should I find it elsewhere first, that she''d be glad to set that diamond for me as well.

So what you think is not fair, actually is. My jeweler does not have a problem with it at all. Believe me, we''ve discussed it in length the past day or so and she is comfortable with it this way.
 
Ally, these numbers look good. On the HCA, it gets Ex, Ex, VG, VG with a total of 1.3 which is just fine. Most people prefer a score between 1 and 2, and this gets a score in that range. I believe you said this certificate is also one of the newer ones that gives a light performance score of 0, correct? If so, I see nothing wrong with purchasing this diamond. The price was right in line with what we see on here, and the jeweler obviously has put in a lot of time trying to find stones for you. You do need to understand that diamond supplies are limited and she just can''t access multiples of exactly what you want at the same time. None of these vendors can either. Plus, like I said before, she is having to pay every time she has a stone brought in. So I am sort of hoping you will buy from her at this point, especially since she carries the setting you want. This stone sounds like a winner to me, and you are less likely to want to upgrade later since it is a lovely size!!!
 
DS--

This does NOT have a newer certificate. It has a old certificate but she said yesterday that she''d be more than happy to send it back to AGS for recertification! She did say that it scored a 9.2 in the ISEE 2 scanner. Does that help?
 
Date: 9/10/2006 9:49:10 AM
Author: diamondseeker2006
Ally, these numbers look good. On the HCA, it gets Ex, Ex, VG, VG with a total of 1.3 which is just fine. Most people prefer a score between 1 and 2, and this gets a score in that range. I believe you said this certificate is also one of the newer ones that gives a light performance score of 0, correct? If so, I see nothing wrong with purchasing this diamond. The price was right in line with what we see on here, and the jeweler obviously has put in a lot of time trying to find stones for you. You do need to understand that diamond supplies are limited and she just can't access multiples of exactly what you want at the same time. None of these vendors can either. Plus, like I said before, she is having to pay every time she has a stone brought in. So I am sort of hoping you will buy from her at this point, especially since she carries the setting you want. This stone sounds like a winner to me, and you are less likely to want to upgrade later since it is a lovely size!!!
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ditto. i said it in another thread but the numbers on this stone are almost exactly like mine. Mine sent back for a new cert b/c the original was lost. If it worries you, have her send it to AGS for a new one, but keep in mind it's takes about a month and it may not really be worth it IMO. I'd probably just have an indepentant appraiser verify the cert and get that puppy set and on your finger. I really do think it's going to be a beautiful stone and you get the branding as a bonus.
 
Date: 9/10/2006 10:21:45 AM
Author: mrssalvo

Date: 9/10/2006 9:49:10 AM
Author: diamondseeker2006
Ally, these numbers look good. On the HCA, it gets Ex, Ex, VG, VG with a total of 1.3 which is just fine. Most people prefer a score between 1 and 2, and this gets a score in that range. I believe you said this certificate is also one of the newer ones that gives a light performance score of 0, correct? If so, I see nothing wrong with purchasing this diamond. The price was right in line with what we see on here, and the jeweler obviously has put in a lot of time trying to find stones for you. You do need to understand that diamond supplies are limited and she just can''t access multiples of exactly what you want at the same time. None of these vendors can either. Plus, like I said before, she is having to pay every time she has a stone brought in. So I am sort of hoping you will buy from her at this point, especially since she carries the setting you want. This stone sounds like a winner to me, and you are less likely to want to upgrade later since it is a lovely size!!!
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ditto. i said it in another thread but the numbers on this stone are almost exactly like mine. Mine sent back for a new cert b/c the original was lost. If it worries you, have her send it to AGS for a new one, but keep in mind it''s takes about a month and it may not really be worth it IMO. I''d probably just have an indepentant appraiser verify the cert and get that puppy set and on your finger. I really do think it''s going to be a beautiful stone and you get the branding as a bonus.
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Mssalvo--

My thought was to send it back for recertification since this will bother me having the older certificate! Plus, my setting takes 4-6 weeks to get in anyway, so both could be done at the same time and then by the time the setting comes in, the ags recertification should have already been done! Sound good?
 
Ally, I don''t see the need at all to get it recertified since it already has an AGS cert, but if you want to, that''s fine. But you absolutely need to pay for the new cert and not expect the jeweler to incur that cost.
 
She said that she''d get it recertified and never mentioned any added expense. It''s kind of good that we had a little "clash" over finding the diamond because it appears that we are now working better together. I''ll keep you posted. Supposed to see the diamond Tuesday or Wednesday .
 
i''m glad you get to see the stone. I think if she''s willing to send it back for you and it can be done while the setting is being made, then you might as well do it. I hope when you see it you just fall in love...
 
Mrssalvo--

I just heard from the jeweler and she stated that not only would the entire thing be appraised when finished along with all necessary insurance information that she would NOT charge me for the recertification!!!

I sure do hope that this really is the one! I''m tired of the whole search! (and I thought searching for the setting was hard!!!)

Thanks again for all of your help! I look foward to the day (hopefully soon!) that I can post photos of the finished product!
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