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1.50 Round F XXX VS2- Opinions please on cut and inclusions

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Marcf

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Many thanks for clicking on this post.

I’ve been looking for an engagement stone for many months here in Australia and have come across this stone which I think is well priced compared to some other stones from stores here in Aus.

This stone is only new with GIA report issue 10/1/2014.

I would be purchasing this stone from a respected jeweller who sources he stones from a dealer in Belgium. However I won't be able to view the stone. He said he has been dealing with the merchant for 10+ years.

Hoping for some advice on the cut and inclusions of this stone, and want to ensure this stone will have a great sparkle to the eye.

I’m very conscious that a XXX has a broad range.

http://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?pagename=GST%2FDispatcher&childpagename=GIA%2FPage%2FReportCheck&c=Page&cid=1355954554547&reportno=5166714062

And to compare pricing the below Diamond is $5k more expensive at another store.

http://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?pagename=GST%2FDispatcher&childpagename=GIA%2FPage%2FReportCheck&c=Page&cid=1355954554547&reportno=2146589291

Thoughts and opinions much appreciated.

Thanks
Marc
 
Re: 1.50 Round F XXX VS2- Opinions please on cut and inclus

Your first stone choice doesn't have good proportions. It's a steep/deep cut and most likely would not have good light performance.
It's a perfect example of the very wide GIA Excellent parameters and is very far from ideal.

You can do far, far better.
 
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The stone is way too deep which is why it is priced this way you should stay within the following perameters:

Table 54-58
Depth 60-62.3
Crown angle 34-35
Crown % 142
Pavilian angle 40.6-41
Pavilion depth 41.7-44.8
 
Re: 1.50 Round F XXX VS2- Opinions please on cut and inclus

Neither!
the first one is too deep. the second one with the table % higher than the depth is a no go for me, plus no crown height flat top stone ... :knockout:
 
Re: 1.50 Round F XXX VS2- Opinions please on cut and inclus

Many thanks to all the replies.

Its great to get some feedback from some experts other than the person selling you the Diamond.

I will ask him to see what Diamonds he can find in this range.

Question: How do you measure the Crown % ? Can't find anything on the GIA report that reflects anything around 142 so assume its a calculation.

Table 54-58
Depth 60-62.3
Crown angle 34-35
Crown % 142
Pavilian angle 40.6-41
Pavilion depth 41.7-44.8

Just to give you an idea basic 4/6 claw setting the over two Diamonds $20k & 25K.

This is another Diamond I found: Would be $23K.

http://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?pagename=GST%2FDispatcher&childpagename=GIA%2FPage%2FReportCheck&c=Page&cid=1355954554547&reportno=6151437725

Thanks again.

Cheers
Marc
 
Re: 1.50 Round F XXX VS2- Opinions please on cut and inclus

I would try to find something in a AGSL Ideal cut, in G H I color, VS2 SI1 clarity......the last diamond you posted has the better cut, but again the numbers are rounded, so you would have to see the stone.
 
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c-k said:
I would try to find something in a AGSL Ideal cut, in G H I color, VS2 SI1 clarity......the last diamond you posted has the better cut, but again the numbers are rounded, so you would have to see the stone.
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Thanks. Unfortunately here in Australia its really only GIA as an option. :(..
 
Re: 1.50 Round F XXX VS2- Opinions please on cut and inclus

yes but you can still get GIA stones or HRD that would get an AGS ideal cut its about looking at the parameters and making an informed decision

look for a stone
40.6-41 pav angle
33.8-35.0 crown angle.
54-58 table
59.5-61.5 total depth.

*forget the crown height% and pavilion % if you have the angles you don't need the heights
and it most likely will fall into AGS 0 grade
 
Re: 1.50 Round F XXX VS2- Opinions please on cut and inclus

Much better numbers and predicted light performance, but you should still get more info/images beyond the GIA report if you can. The proportions are a much safer bet in this case without seeing the stone, but you should never just buy off the paper if you can avoid it.
 
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Your previous choice has 10x better potential. Especially if you can actually see it in person, too. It has the proportions you want and should be a sparkler, but your eyes will be the final judge. Just check the inclusions and make sure it's eye clean as well.
 
Re: 1.50 Round F XXX VS2- Opinions please on cut and inclus

Hi All,

Ok so I went to see the diamond which is within the range of specs. But while I was there I look at about 6 others.

Original One: $19,500 AUD

http://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?pagename=GST%2FDispatcher&childpagename=GIA%2FPage%2FReportCheck&c=Page&cid=1355954554547&reportno=2136480406

Then I was presented with this new arrival. Yes its an SI2 and is bugger but it really took my eye. For the life of me I can see any issues (inclusions) its briliance is awsome.. The comes the Certifcate, will yes its a little turn off but what do you reckon...i'm kind of keen of it...

http://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?pagename=GST%2FDispatcher&childpagename=GIA%2FPage%2FReportCheck&c=Page&cid=1355954554547&reportno=2151754830

1.80
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pu92eebq649jk6h/20140122_145744.jpg?n=170445917

Side by side with one above.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8m5t2uoolfwhd5w/20140122_145753.jpg?n=170445917

Price is $20,800 AUD

What's the thoughts...

Cheers
Marc
 
Re: 1.50 Round F XXX VS2- Opinions please on cut and inclus

its too hard to tell with that lighting. What shop is this in australia?
 
Re: 1.50 Round F XXX VS2- Opinions please on cut and inclus

OP some food for thought. If you are perfectly fine buying a diamond with just the paper and trust the masterminds out here and assuming cost of diamond is cheaper online then it could just be a possibility to fly and pick up the diamond yourself from the US or have them ship to a country where you do not pay tax. You surely do not need to worry about paying tax if you carry the diamond back yourself into Australia.
 
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treasurehunter|1390376533|3598387 said:
its too hard to tell with that lighting. What shop is this in australia?
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Its GP Israel.
 
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thadanim|1390378068|3598392 said:
OP some food for thought. If you are perfectly fine buying a diamond with just the paper and trust the masterminds out here and assuming cost of diamond is cheaper online then it could just be a possibility to fly and pick up the diamond yourself from the US or have them ship to a country where you do not pay tax. You surely do not need to worry about paying tax if you carry the diamond back yourself into Australia.
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True, I have though about this. But time is not on my side unfortunately.
 
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Marcf|1390390497|3598431 said:
So what do we think about the inclusions...

Its eye clean, and to be honest I was having difficult trying to see anything under 10X magnification.

http://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?pagename=GST%2FDispatcher&childpagename=GIA%2FPage%2FReportCheck&c=Page&cid=1355954554547&reportno=2151754830
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Its all in the eye of the beholder, heard that right....but this stone is not as well cut, again, you are the one looking at it. Check it in all light conditions, compare the two......

If you like the size, like the color, the inclusions are ok for you, the price is ok........then buy it
 
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You said earlier that you're conscious that GIA Excellent has a very broad cut range, yet you go right to a stone that is an example of the steep/deep that still makes the grade.

<scratches head>
 
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krisjon said:
You said earlier that you're conscious that GIA Excellent has a very broad cut range, yet you go right to a stone that is an example of the steep/deep that still makes the grade.

<scratches head>
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Yes I did, however both Diamonds had great brilliance in multiple light conditions.

What about the inclusions, should they worry me? Never heard of twinning wisps?

Cheers
Marc
 
Re: 1.50 Round F XXX VS2- Opinions please on cut and inclus

If it were me, I would only consider this stone of the choices you have:

http://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?pagename=GST%2FDispatcher&childpagename=GIA%2FPage%2FReportCheck&c=Page&cid=1355954554547&reportno=2136480406

Good color, clarity and potential light performance with a cut that is within ideal parameters.

As far as your last stone, it's not the greatest cut and you need to remember that jewelry store lighting makes most diamonds look great. While your eyes are an important judge, the numbers also tell us that this cut isn't the best. And twinning wisp inclusions are something most avoid, if possible. It's also a 1.80, so you're not considering apples to apples vs. a 1.5 in terms of size.

Ultimately, the decision is yours, but I would want the best for my money and this particular stone isn't working towards that end. It's just bigger, not better.
 
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PLEASE!!
 
Re: 1.50 Round F XXX VS2- Opinions please on cut and inclus

Both are borderline combos, you badly need pictures.
 
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krisjon|1390493759|3599491 said:
If it were me, I would only consider this stone of the choices you have:

http://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?pagename=GST%2FDispatcher&childpagename=GIA%2FPage%2FReportCheck&c=Page&cid=1355954554547&reportno=2136480406

Good color, clarity and potential light performance with a cut that is within ideal parameters.

As far as your last stone, it's not the greatest cut and you need to remember that jewelry store lighting makes most diamonds look great. While your eyes are an important judge, the numbers also tell us that this cut isn't the best. And twinning wisp inclusions are something most avoid, if possible. It's also a 1.80, so you're not considering apples to apples vs. a 1.5 in terms of size.

Ultimately, the decision is yours, but I would want the best for my money and this particular stone isn't working towards that end. It's just bigger, not better.
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Most avoid twinning wisp inclusions? That's news to me, from 99% of all posts i've seen on the topic, most people prefer twinning wisps as they are least likely to be seen by the eye. What's your reasoning behind the statement?

(Not trying to argue, genuinely interested in knowing)
 
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This reminds me of a conversation I had with knowledgeable PSers when I fell in love with a diamond that was not a great cut. I insisted for a while that because it was so beautiful, I didn't care, but eventually I listened. You should get the best you can. Not only will it perform better in all lighting situations, but if you ever need or want to sell or trade up you will wish you had bought a well-cut stone. And I think a good cut holds it's value better [?] If you get it right the first time you will not regret it! My 2 cents for what it's worth.
 
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Marcf|1393019563|3620341 said:
PLEASE!!
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Without good pictures, Idealscopes, etc...the only stone I would consider of all you have posted is the GIA 1.53 G VS2
 
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CSR|1393026073|3620393 said:
Most avoid twinning wisp inclusions? That's news to me, from 99% of all posts i've seen on the topic, most people prefer twinning wisps as they are least likely to be seen by the eye. What's your reasoning behind the statement?

(Not trying to argue, genuinely interested in knowing)
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Some twining whisps are fine and nearly invisible, but you should never give every one a "hall pass" just because of it.

Per Karl K, one of our esteemed diamond cutters on PS:

"Twining whisps really need to be carefully evaluated by an expert. The can be invisible to the eye and still cause performance issues in some lighting. They can be a sign of strain which makes the diamond more susceptible to damage. All of that needs to be checked."

Without an inclusion plot like (AGS does on their reports) for location and sizing, plus an evaluation by a gemologist, it would be silly to blindly recommend a larger SI2 stone with twining whisps in this case because other people posting may not have had problems.

Every stone is different and the OP appears to be buying off the paper, which is another pitfall in and of itself.
 
Re: 1.50 Round F XXX VS2- Opinions please on cut and inclus

Team..

Think I've finally found the one that will meet the right criteria for cut.. But price not so good..

http://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?pag...&c=Page&cid=1355954554547&reportno=2166389410

Appreciate if you please review and comment on the stone.

Also should I be concerned re...comments on cert..additional clouds etc no shown?

I've had a look at it and it's very nice...but expensive.

Cheers
Marc
 
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