1.2/F/VVS1 Price Opinion

[chrisp]

What do people think of this diamond for ~ 12K? I''m not sure how to interpret the proportion % numbers, i.e. what is more desirable.

Thanks!

Round Brilliant

Measurements: 6.83 - 6.88 x 4.20 mm
Carat Weight: 1.20
Color Grade: F
Clarity Grade: VVS1
Cut Grade: Excellent

Proportions:
Depth: 61.3 %
Table: 56 %
Crown Angle: 34°
Crown Height: 15 %
Pavilion Angle: 40.8°
Pavilion Depth: 43 %
Star length: 50 %
Lower Half: 80 %
Girdle: Thin to Slightly Thick, Faceted
Culet: None

Finish:

Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Very Good
Fluorescence: None

 

[Ellen]

I think it sounds like a great diamond. Admittedly, VVS1 is overkill. But, if you can't find a comperable stone with lower clarity, I think it would be great. Are you looking online or in a B&M?

 

[kenny]

I, for one, like VVS1s and don't mind paying for them.

To each his own.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 8/29/2006 11:40:34 AM
Author: kenny
For one, I like VVS1s and don''t mind paying for them.

To each his own.

Kenny, that''s great. I totally agree.

However, we don''t know the OP wants that clarity, or simply thinks he should get it. Therein lies the difference. If he prefers that clarity, he''s found a winner. If he doesn''t, there might be other options, that would allow him to save money or get a bigger stone.

 

[Rod]

Sounds like a beautiful stone. I am on the side that says VVS1 is overkill. As well as F in color. Have you compared stones in vairous ranges to see if you can see a difference in say a G vs an F? You can get more rock for your money and I wonder why pay for something you may not able to appreciate. If it''s a mind issue, by all means go for it. But if you can''t see the difference between a really well cut G vs F and VS versus VVS, you might wind up with a larger rock for the same amount of money.

Just something to think about. Still, this rock is likely beautiful.

 

[Regular Guy]

1) Using the tools here...

a) priced very fairly...such that you couldn''t do better with an in-house Internet vendor, or maybe not better at all
b) based on the HCA, I show it scores 1, TIC, and it''ll probably be really beautiful

2) And on value...just be cautious about getting what you want. If you''re like Kenny, and specifically want VVS1, it''s a great buy....but if it''s just what''s in stock...I agree with Ellen. All you might want to seek out, typically, is VS1 or VS2, and..referencing what''s generally available of similar quality, that should save you about $2K

 

[asscherisme]

I have an F and LOVE it. My stone is a VS2 and I wish I had gone higher in clarity. If I look really close I can see something that would be invisible to most people. Not normal wear, but really straining to see it. If I were to buy again I would go at least VS1 or VVS2.

 

[Rod]

Date: 8/29/2006 1:58:21 PM
Author: asscherisme
I have an F and LOVE it. My stone is a VS2 and I wish I had gone higher in clarity. If I look really close I can see something that would be invisible to most people. Not normal wear, but really straining to see it. If I were to buy again I would go at least VS1 or VVS2.

That''s good, but can you honestly see a difference between a well cut F and well cut G? In all honesty, I absolutely could not see any difference in my observations of multiple stones all well cut. And to the clarity issue. There are many completely eye clean SI stones, so I think this one is so subjective. My stone is VS2. Even with a loupe, I can''t find the pinpoints the GIA chart acknowleges are supposed to be there. To me, it''s beyond eye and mind clean. Perhaps to someone else though, they would be disappointed with the fact that there is mention of anything.

We don''t know if chrisp is questioning a really good stone, or if these are important issues in the consideration of all stones chrisp might be considering?

 

[Ellen]

Date: 8/29/2006 1:58:21 PM
Author: asscherisme
I have an F and LOVE it. My stone is a VS2 and I wish I had gone higher in clarity. If I look really close I can see something that would be invisible to most people. Not normal wear, but really straining to see it. If I were to buy again I would go at least VS1 or VVS2.

If you have an Asscher, I could understand wanting higher clarity. Cut steps kind of demand it, as they readily show more.

But in a well cut round, the difference will not be seen by the eye, and probably not loupe wise, between VVS1 and VS1, and some VS2''s.

I don''t say much about color, that''s so personal....

 

[kenny]

Along the same lines, Rod, can you see the difference between a well cut G or H?
H or I?
I or J?

 

[Regular Guy]

Actually, 1.2 is overkill...1.15 saves you money, and it looks about the same.






I still say VVS is not visibly helpful, and appraisers here, trained in this, will tend to agree.

 

[Rod]

Date: 8/29/2006 2:21:22 PM
Author: kenny
Along the same lines, Rod, can you see the difference between a well cut G or H?
H or I?
I or J?

Nope, I can''t. But I can see the difference between a well cut G and well cut J. The minor differences from one grade to the very next grade allude my eyes. The point I make isn''t that this buyer shouldn''t buy the diamond. It''s likely a fantastic stone. The point I ask is if the buyer has compared between grades and is the price differential worth the added premium? Nothing more, nothing less.