1.2 AGS0''s to decide between

[pyle112]

So after getting all nervous about by the specifications on this AGS0 https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/round-1-22-what-do-you-think.67709/
I now have idealscope images, magnified pics, and certs for two diamonds that I''m looking at from JA and WF. What bugs me is how to read the sarin report for the VS2 and plug it into the HCA. All opinions are appreciated...
Also does the darker idealscope for the SI1 indicate better light return than the VS2 or is this a result of lighting.

 

[pyle112]

heres the vs2 pic

 

[pyle112]

heres the vs2 ID

 

[pyle112]

and the vs2 sarin

 

[pyle112]

and now the SI1 pic

 

[mikebzt]

I am partial to WF. Just purchased from them and I could not be happier. Fantastic price and the best customer service I have seen next to The Four Seasons

 

[pyle112]

and the si1 id

 

[pyle112]

and finally the SI1 cert with angles

 

[Lord Summerisle]

for me i''m inclinded to go with the SI1 - the IS is much better - far more red area, and no leakage under the table like the one WF has brought in.

attached is the HCA graph for the VS2 - which is a 2.6 score

while the J.Allen (i think?) stone scores a 1.3 which puts it more cofortably in the AGS 0 cut grade

I''d also like to throw this one in: 1.22 H VS1

Again its a whiteflash ES stone like your first one. similar price, but the angles are, like the SI1, more comfortably in the AGS0 cut grade.

the one thing to consider with the SI1 is - those clusters of inclusions near to the girdle - they could well be hidden under the prongs because of the postition of them, which would make for a nicely eye clean stone - so its worth asking the question.

Hope that helps

 

[pyle112]

I agree, I like the SI1, I was just worried about the inclusions. Plus I was feeling guilty for having been such a pain to wf only to find something somewhat better at JA last minute. The price of the wf that you linked ot is a little out of my price range. The JA is at 6100 and the wf is at 6700.

So what values for HCA do I use from the sarin report?

 

[Ellen]

Of these two I like the JA IS much more. Now, if you are wanting to be loyal to WF since you were already working with them, have you considered just a slightly smaller ACA? (there isn''t much to choose from in the ES department) And what about an SI2? I know that may sound scary, but eyeclean/totally eyeclean SI2''s do exist.

For instance:

This one has real possibilities I think.

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-48346.htm#

And an SI1.

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-78257.htm#


5% discount too.

 

[pyle112]

The 1.125 from WF has peaked my interest, I wonder how eye clean it is....

 

[Lord Summerisle]

Date: 8/23/2007 6:17:49 PM
Author: pyle112
So what values for HCA do I use from the sarin report?

I''ve attached the sarin of the SI2 with the values marked for plugging into the HCA
just go Here to find the HCA cut adviser (or Tools>Cut Adviser from the top menu on this page)

 

[pyle112]

Thanks lord summerside, I was unsure of what value in the range to choose for the cutadvisor, and I hadnt realized that the averages are posted next to the ranges.

Is it normal for sarin reports to be off? According to the sarin report the VS2 is not an AGS ideal cut.

Oh and the 1.125 SI2 apparently is not eye clean

 

[Ellen]

Date: 8/24/2007 10:52:55 AM
Author: pyle112
Thanks lord summerside, I was unsure of what value in the range to choose for the cutadvisor, and I hadnt realized that the averages are posted next to the ranges.

Is it normal for sarin reports to be off? According to the sarin report the VS2 is not an AGS ideal cut.

Oh and the 1.125 SI2 apparently is not eye clean

Which one is that? Do you mean the one I gave you? (it was 1.121) Did you ask about the other SI1?


And I know Sarins can occasionally be off a bit, but I don''t know how much or how often..

 

[pyle112]

Sorry Ellen, theres a 1.125 in the same price range that I mistakenly asked about instead http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-78273.htm
and this one is not eye clean. I will ask about the SI2 that you suggested.

Not sure about the picture of the 1.132 SI1 that you suggested; you can see the inclusions in the picture. Is it possible for the stone to be eye clean with a picture like that?

 

[Ellen]

Date: 8/24/2007 11:21:25 AM
Author: pyle112
Sorry Ellen, theres a 1.125 in the same price range that I mistakenly asked about instead http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-78273.htm
and this one is not eye clean. I will ask about the SI2 that you suggested.

Not sure about the picture of the 1.132 SI1 that you suggested; you can see the inclusions in the picture. Is it possible for the stone to be eye clean with a picture like that?

No prob!

And YES, you cannot go by these pictures. I found one once that I could not see a thing in, and it wasn''t eyeclean. Then I''ve seen some that look like a mine went off and they are. So you need to ask, always, the pics just don''t tell the tale.

 

[pyle112]

Seems like the JA that I posted above is an example of an SI looking eye clean, but not so much in the photo.

Seems like neither SI2 that I mentioned is eyeclean.

They are taking better pictures of the VS2, but its tough making a decision when there are just numbers to go by.

I feel bad for annoying WF so much

 

[Ellen]

Date: 8/24/2007 11:53:26 AM
Author: pyle112
Seems like the JA that I posted above is an example of an SI looking eye clean, but not so much in the photo.

Seems like neither SI2 that I mentioned is eyeclean.

They are taking better pictures of the VS2, but its tough making a decision when there are just numbers to go by.

I feel bad for annoying WF so much

Don''t! That is what they are there for, and they understand how hard it is to buy sight unseen.

 

[WorkingHardforSmallRewards]

dont feel bad. They had a diamond that you were very interested in but when the numbers came back it just didnt meet the level you wanted. In fact, there was a pretty wide variance in the pavilion angles as a recall, something like .4degrees variance?

So if the diamond had been what you wanted, they woudl have made a sale. I am sure they make MANY sales that way, offer great customer service, find out information for you, and then let you decide. Sometimes the information is good, they make a sell. Othertimes it isnt, not there fault, just not a perfect diamond. Its all part of the buisness, nothing to feel bad about, I am sure that they woudl be more than happy just to have an equal opportunity with every person on PS.

 

[Lord Summerisle]

Date: 8/24/2007 11:53:26 AM
Author: pyle112
I feel bad for annoying WF so much

Please dont, knowing them... they''d far rather be bugged, and find you a stone that you love... and will be proud off... than you get something your not completely sure about, and feel pressured into spending alot on something your not completely happy with.

And i''d say the same goes for all vendors who post on PS, as well the Appraisers we have here... and if it was getting difficult to decide between a couple... then what others have done, with the agreement of the vendors with the stones it to have them shipped to an appraiser near to you for you to view them and make a descision.

Its an option if it comes to it, you may not need to do it.
Plus dont forget Whiteflash, and James Allen both have returns policy so if your not completly happy.. you can return it, and the search continues, and you WILL find the stone thats right... one with your name on it.

Pricescope is here to help you find it, and answer your questions