I Figured Out the Appeal of Trump

[iLander]

NO. I will not vote for someone just because she is a woman. There must be more substance than that.

I agree with this. I hate the "vote your ovaries" argument.

How is this even a viable argument? How would you like it if you found out men were saying "vote your balls, Pick Trump cause he has a pair."

Right. Cause our biology is what qualifies us for the highest public office of the land.

The fact that she is woman is a big bonus for me, because I'm also aware that 22 other countries are currently being led by women, while American women are having a hard time getting equal pay.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elected_and_appointed_female_heads_of_state

 

[redwood66]

I am all for a woman president. Just not this one.

 

[iLander]

I am all for a woman president. Just not this one.

Because she's a democrat? Do you think there will ever be a republican woman president?

 

[Gypsy]

Great speakers can make terrible politicians and presidents.

I agree.

Heck, Great PEOPLE can make terrible Presidents. Carter is one such example.

But a narcissist with sociopathic tendencies? Who isn't a good human, a good speaker, or a good business person (how many bankruptcies are we up to, and DOES he pay taxes) with NO experience in politics and has NO moral or ethical lines he will not cross to win, who cannot be disciplined long enough to make a decent showing in a 90 minute debate? Thinking THAT is going to be an even ACCEPTABLE (not even good) President? That's just not reality. That's pure fantasy.

Right up there with "reformed rakes make the best husbands." Sure, it works in romance novels. But in real life? Not so much.

 

[redwood66]

I am all for a woman president. Just not this one.

Do you think there will ever be a republican woman president?

Why is that any more improbable than a democrat? I can hope can't I?

 

[monarch64]

I am all for a woman president. Just not this one.

Do you think there will ever be a republican woman president?

Why is that any more improbable than a democrat? I can hope can't I?

Because of most Republican women's stances on women's reproductive rights, perhaps? Look, I really like Nikki Haley (Gov. of SC) but I could never vote for her based on her voting record and stance on abortion, among other things. And I've met a lot of my state reps, including women, who are total *******s when it comes to women's rights. In fact, I was once chided by one who felt it was her place to question my imbibing of a half glass of red wine at a political fundraiser for another candidate because I was pregnant. A half glass. With dinner. You don't get a say of what I do with my body, ever. Not in that setting, and not in a legislative one. Maybe stop babysitting and trust that I know what's best for my body and will do what's necessary to take care of my potentially FAS baby because I had that one half glass of red with my pita, hummus, and vegetarian salad. I could never vote for someone so ignorant, obtuse, and presumptuous as to think she had the right or power to tell someone else how to live their life or what to do with their body. Her name was Peggy Mayfield, by the way. Redwood, you've at times identified as Libertarian. Does it not concern you that many Republican women want nothing more than to police women and their reproductive rights as though they cannot or aren't capable of making their own decisions regarding their own bodies? That is the ULTIMATE government intrusion, in my opinion. I hope it's yours, too. So, to answer your question of "why is a republican woman president any more improbably than a democrat one?" I'm pretty sure it's because many R women (not all, and I can cite the ones who've voted against Mike Pence's bullshit here) vote against women's reproductive rights.

 

[redwood66]

I would probably need a libertarian woman true. But I did not say republican.

 

[iLander]

As I watched the debate last night, it occurred to me why people like Trump;

Because they want to be Donald Trump.

Indeed.

When I was in college I majored in both history and political science. In one course a professor compared two black politicians who were popular at the time in Harlem. One was down to earth, a man of the people who acted as if he identified with the struggles of his neighbors and would fight for them because he was on of them. Another was a flamboyant man who drove a sports car and showed off his cash and the fact that he had done well for himself. Both were popular. The professor wanted us to see that each politician could appeal to the black community, one by making them feel he was one of them and would understand and work for them, the other by showing them what they could become if they followed him and his star.

Deb/AGBF

In marketing, we call this "aspirational image". Victoria's Secret uses this method quite heavily. Most advertising does.

I've given some thought to this race and the parties in general. The Myers-Briggs personality tests break out the population, as a whole, as 50% "feeling" and 50% "thinking". I believe that the Republicans tend to be the feeling types while the Democrats are the thinking types. I believe the Republican leaders are exploiting their followers tendency to react with emotions, and are -basically- playing their emotions. If you look at Trump's speeches they have an emotional appeal that Hillary's do not. She got the bump after the convention because of her emotional "wife and mother" appeal. When she is not in that mode, she is very cold and does not appeal to the emotions. What do you think of that theory, Deb?

 

[monarch64]

I would probably need a libertarian woman true. But I did not say republican.

Fair enough. Thanks for listening/reading. I do appreciate your willingness to visit all sides of these issues, Redwood. I really try to do that myself and probably fail a lot, but I am keen on figuring out what makes others feel like their boxes are checked by candidates whose stances or voting records I disagree with.

 

[marcy]

I think he has appeal because so many people are fed up with corrupt, lying, self-serving politicians.


Marcy

 

[redwood66]

I would probably need a libertarian woman true. But I did not say republican.

Fair enough. Thanks for listening/reading. I do appreciate your willingness to visit all sides of these issues, Redwood. I really try to do that myself and probably fail a lot, but I am keen on figuring out what makes others feel like their boxes are checked by candidates whose stances or voting records I disagree with.

Good discussion without nastiness is always appreciated.

Sadly I have very few to no boxes checked this year. I have to vote for my down ticket though.

 

[monarch64]

I would probably need a libertarian woman true. But I did not say republican.

Fair enough. Thanks for listening/reading. I do appreciate your willingness to visit all sides of these issues, Redwood. I really try to do that myself and probably fail a lot, but I am keen on figuring out what makes others feel like their boxes are checked by candidates whose stances or voting records I disagree with.

Good discussion without nastiness is always appreciated.

Sadly I have very few to no boxes checked this year. I have to vote for my down ticket though.

Agreed. Also, what is a "down ticket?" Maybe what we call "straight ticket" voting here? IN just banned that for primaries. IN, of all places!

 

[redwood66]

I would probably need a libertarian woman true. But I did not say republican.

Fair enough. Thanks for listening/reading. I do appreciate your willingness to visit all sides of these issues, Redwood. I really try to do that myself and probably fail a lot, but I am keen on figuring out what makes others feel like their boxes are checked by candidates whose stances or voting records I disagree with.

Good discussion without nastiness is always appreciated.

Sadly I have very few to no boxes checked this year. I have to vote for my down ticket though.

Agreed. Also, what is a "down ticket?" Maybe what we call "straight ticket" voting here? IN just banned that for primaries. IN, of all places!

State and local races.

 

[monarch64]

I would probably need a libertarian woman true. But I did not say republican.

Fair enough. Thanks for listening/reading. I do appreciate your willingness to visit all sides of these issues, Redwood. I really try to do that myself and probably fail a lot, but I am keen on figuring out what makes others feel like their boxes are checked by candidates whose stances or voting records I disagree with.

Good discussion without nastiness is always appreciated.

Sadly I have very few to no boxes checked this year. I have to vote for my down ticket though.

Agreed. Also, what is a "down ticket?" Maybe what we call "straight ticket" voting here? IN just banned that for primaries. IN, of all places!

State and local races.

Ahh, ok. Never heard them referred to as such. I think we just call them locals here. But we are in a weird state--no one has ever really solved the mystery of the term "Hoosier."

 

[redwood66]

I would probably need a libertarian woman true. But I did not say republican.

Fair enough. Thanks for listening/reading. I do appreciate your willingness to visit all sides of these issues, Redwood. I really try to do that myself and probably fail a lot, but I am keen on figuring out what makes others feel like their boxes are checked by candidates whose stances or voting records I disagree with.

Good discussion without nastiness is always appreciated.

Sadly I have very few to no boxes checked this year. I have to vote for my down ticket though.

Agreed. Also, what is a "down ticket?" Maybe what we call "straight ticket" voting here? IN just banned that for primaries. IN, of all places!

State and local races.

But we are in a weird state--no one has ever really solved the mystery of the term "Hoosier."

Must google Hoosier

 

[Gypsy]

I think he has appeal because so many people are fed up with corrupt, lying, self-serving politicians.


Marcy

He is a corrupt, lying self-serving man running for the highest office of the land. So how is that a change or an improvement? Sincerely, I do not understand that argument.

Additionally, he has a history of 4 bankruptcies. Has admitted during the debates he did not pay federal income tax for at least 2 years, and has been audited for 15 years straight. All of which most politicians do not have. Multiple marriages which he committed adultery, including 5 children by 3 different women. Which most politicians do not have. And has no history of ANY public service, including a draft dodge. Another thing that most politicians do not have as most of them even, the ones I dislike the most at least have a history of public service-- even the draft dodgers. And on top of that knows nothing but the most cursory information about the issues OR even the true powers within the scope of the Presidency. So he's ignorant to boot.

So... I fail to see the logic in: "I am sick of corrupt, lying, self serving politicians" EQUALING: Trump is the solution to the problem of corrupt, lying, self serving politicians.

 

[Dancing Fire]

And suddenly, that lady in the pantsuit doesn't seem so bad. She probably wouldn't have gotten us into a war. She offered free college for the kids. She was going to push this country into developing clean energy. She had years of experience dealing with other countries, and years in the Senate. Guess that email thing wasn't that big of a deal. Colin Powell had a private server too, and he's a good guy.

HC as Senator of NY voted "yes" to the war. Free college? where is the money coming from?.. I guess HC have forgotten that her boss ran our country's debt all the way up to 19 trillion dollars...

Powell is piss off at HC for accusing him of using a private server to send classified documents which he did not do.

 

[Dancing Fire]

NO. I will not vote for someone just because she is a woman. There must be more substance than that. I have not said who I am voting for so don't assume it is Trump. It is exactly the free stuff that she wants to give that will keep me from voting for her or any democrat that uses that promise to get votes. It is never free. Obamacare has made my monthly premium double and I don't even have it.

Nope, Never, just bunch of B.S.! . Only fools will believe ...

 

[Dancing Fire]

With Hillary's experience as Secretary of State, I'm not worried about a police action started by a person with a huge ego. She has diplomacy experience.

Look at what she accomplished as Secretary of State, and now take a look at the big mess in the Middle East...

Lets not forget that she was asleep when the phone rang for help at 3:00 AM from Benghazi. Remember that ad?..

 

[arkieb1]

The rise of social media has a lot to answer for...... if he wasn't a pseudo TV/internet star there is no way in hell a normal politician or ordinary every day citizen that became a politician would be allowed to say and get away with half the s@#* he has, and THAT is very sad. What has the US come to? From the POV of intelligent non US citizens many of you would rather have a country run by Kardashian like figure than a person able to fully grasp subjects like race relations, foreign policy & domestic and international politics.

 

[Dancing Fire]

I am all for a woman president. Just not this one.

At least she will be better than Obama..

 

[arkieb1]

I am all for a woman president. Just not this one.

At least she will be better than Obama..

I find it ironic that the people who throw the most s@#* about how rubbish Obama was and is fail to acknowledge that at every turn any decent forward thinking decisions and policies he tried to implement were blocked by none other than good old Republican politicians.

Yes I think Hillary will do a better job because she will be better able to deal with and placate members/personalities of congress...

 

[Dancing Fire]

I am all for a woman president. Just not this one.

At least she will be better than Obama..

I find it ironic that the people who throw the most s@#* about how rubbish Obama was and is fail to acknowledge that at every turn any decent forward thinking decisions and policies he tried to implement were blocked by none other than good old Republican politicians.

Yes I think Hillary will do a better job because she will be better able to deal with and placate members/personalities of congress...

Oh really?? The Dems had control of both house and senate during the first two yrs of Obama's presidency.

 

[E B]

Oh really?? The Dems had control of both house and senate during the first two yrs of Obama's presidency.

How many times must this myth be debunked for you? Take just a minute to Google it yourself. There's even a source from Fox on the first page of results.

 

[Tekate]

Because if you vote for him, your life will not change. You will still not have a lot of money, you will still have a tough job, with a boss that you have to keep taking crap from. You can't say what you think all the time, because you have friends, co-workers, family, that don't approve. Your income won't change, your life won't improve. But his life sure will.

If I vote for Hillary my life will be the same. Do you really think any of them make that much difference in your life personally? Nothing is magically going to change. Cast a vote and hope for the best.

And this has nothing to do with supporting Trump.

I would prefer my life to stay the same - I believe under Trump all our lives might change and for the worse.

 

[Tekate]

Someone will probably take him out him before that happens and then we will have Pence.

If that were the case Red, then Obama should have been assassinated, because in my life, I have never seen such hate and venom against a president, even when we had Johnson. Should Trump be elected I don't want to live with another dead president, nope. He's an ass but just killing him is plain wrong.

I was on vacation also, so I've been to loquacious since I've returned.. I'll lay low for a while again.

Peace and a big hello from the great northeast!

 

[momhappy]

^I don't see Obama as being treated unfairly Every president is subject to public scrutiny and I've seen/heard worse. Maybe your perception is shaped by those around you, but around me, I see all kinds of praise for Obama. Personally, I don't think he's the worst we've ever had and I certainly don't think he's the best. He's done okay on some things and not so well on others. I will be glad to see him go though, because it's time for change.

 

[momhappy]

I think he has appeal because so many people are fed up with corrupt, lying, self-serving politicians.


Marcy

He is a corrupt, lying self-serving man running for the highest office of the land. So how is that a change or an improvement? Sincerely, I do not understand that argument.

Additionally, he has a history of 4 bankruptcies. Has admitted during the debates he did not pay federal income tax for at least 2 years, and has been audited for 15 years straight. All of which most politicians do not have. Multiple marriages which he committed adultery, including 5 children by 3 different women. Which most politicians do not have. And has no history of ANY public service, including a draft dodge. Another thing that most politicians do not have as most of them even, the ones I dislike the most at least have a history of public service-- even the draft dodgers. And on top of that knows nothing but the most cursory information about the issues OR even the true powers within the scope of the Presidency. So he's ignorant to boot.

So... I fail to see the logic in: "I am sick of corrupt, lying, self serving politicians" EQUALING: Trump is the solution to the problem of corrupt, lying, self serving politicians.

I tend to agree, but the difference is that Trump is not your run-of-the-mill corrupt politician. He may be corrupt in some ways, but he's not been jaded and/or shaped by the political arena. That, I think, is the difference for some people (not necessarily me, but maybe for others). I tend to think that corrupt is corrupt is corrupt.....so it doesn't make much difference whether or not that comes from politics. However, I also think that Hillary is equally as corrupt

 

[azstonie]

Free, quality education. Free, quality healthcare. (Free meaning paid for by society as a whole, accomplishing together what cannot be achieved as individuals.)

Yes, those are 'bad' and look how awful life is in the Scandinavian countries, Germany, Holland, France, etc.

America is now a country of poorly-educated-if-at-all, gun-loving fat-ass simpletons. Enjoy your Viagra and insulin because you're now approaching the post antibiotic world. You'll die from the MRSA you'll get at the filthy hospital staffed by check-list med school grads (med school coursework is now mostly pass/fail) if you don't die from infection following your dental work.

Grim? It is. It's where we are right now, today. The post antibiotic problem has been covered in The New York Times, the New Yorker, Wall Street Journal, JAMA, etc. And no one seems to care other than scientists and the last remaining quality docs.

So keep fiddling while Rome burns and elect Trump, who believes that government exists to provide him with un-taxed income and innumerable workers who are impoverished wage slaves who have no choice but to be screwed.

Ilander, I agree---Trump wannabes all the way.

 

[partgypsy]

There are over 100 high ranking Republican politicians who will not vote or support Trump. The reasons are various but the most concerning is that many (who have much more real-world experience than he does in national, strategic, and foreign policy) believe that he is a threat to the safety of this country, OUR country, the USA. He knows nothing of the rules and legislation of this country (has already stated he will enact or order troops to do things which are illegal!), shoots off his mouth, and apparently reacts emotionally to anything he sees as a slight to himself. With Russia, it appears he will align with foreign powers -against America- for personal gain.

I don't see how anyone in their right mind would vote for Trump. If I was a Republican (I'm not) there is no way I'd vote a straight ticket. A number of elections, the choice between the two candidates will not make a huge difference. This is not one of them.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/group-of-50-former-gop-national-security-officials-trump-would-be-most-reckless-president-in-american-history/2016/08/08/6715042c-5d9f-11e6-af8e-54aa2e849447_story.html