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[that_someone_special]

*sigh* Just how I feel. You are certainly entitled to buy cz and treated stones. I don't really care as long as they are not passed off as diamonds or untreated stones.

I am curious why PS has not done a cz/ etc. sub forum though.

I guess, to me, It's like buying a fake Prada and running around telling your friends it's real vs. buying a fake Prada and saying it's your knockoff.

 

[kenny]

I am curious why PS has not done a cz/ etc. sub forum though.

PS is paid for by advertising from sellers of real diamonds.

Nuff said?

 

[that_someone_special]

I am curious why PS has not done a cz/ etc. sub forum though.

PS is paid for by advertising from sellers of real diamonds.

Nuff said?

I guess that makes sense!
They used to ban talk of pearls and allow those (thankfully) now.
I just figured it might help with keeping the *real* diamonds and the cz/ etc in the correct areas? Like maybe less people would try to pass off a cz as a real diamond if they had a proper sub forum for it.

 

[kenny]

I am curious why PS has not done a cz/ etc. sub forum though.

PS is paid for by advertising from sellers of real diamonds.

Nuff said?

I guess that makes sense!
They used to ban talk of pearls and allow those (thankfully) now.
I just figured it might help with keeping the *real* diamonds and the cz/ etc in the correct areas? Like maybe less people would try to pass off a cz as a real diamond if they had a proper sub forum for it.

The pearl ban might have been the brother-in-law-effect, as in Leonid's brother (whom he perhaps hated) in-law owned a pearl business.
(Purely speculation on my part.)

(Leonid was the former owner of Pricescope)

 

[kenny]

I am curious why PS has not done a cz/ etc. sub forum though.

PS is paid for by advertising from sellers of real diamonds.

Nuff said?

I guess that makes sense!
They used to ban talk of pearls and allow those (thankfully) now.
I just figured it might help with keeping the *real* diamonds and the cz/ etc in the correct areas? Like maybe less people would try to pass off a cz as a real diamond if they had a proper sub forum for it.

The pearl ban might have been the brother-in-law-effect, as in Leonid's brother in-law (whom he perhaps hated) owned a pearl business.
(Purely speculation on my part.)

(Leonid was the former owner of Pricescope)

 

[AprilBaby]

It happens, people brag they fooled us. Who cares? They know it's not real so who did they really fool?

 

[mrs taylor]

I would hope someone would say something. I mean it would feel awful to start a SMTB thread and have NO ONE comment if you thought it was real. I would be incredibly hurt by that. I mean, I'd never knowingly post a fake, but as pointed out people don't always know. I'm not sure snubbing them is the answer unless they're someone who has gleefully admitted to deception elsewhere.

On a side note, I have often wondered if that was the reason people got so many more responses, even as new posters if their rings had a "brand" name on them that was recognized and easily verified like a JbEG, LM, VC, DBL and the like.

 

[Lula]

I would hope someone would say something. I mean it would feel awful to start a SMTB thread and have NO ONE comment if you thought it was real. I would be incredibly hurt by that. I mean, I'd never knowingly post a fake, but as pointed out people don't always know. I'm not sure snubbing them is the answer unless they're someone who has gleefully admitted to deception elsewhere.

On a side note, I have often wondered if that was the reason people got so many more responses, even as new posters if their rings had a "brand" name on them that was recognized and easily verified like a JbEG, LM, VC, DBL and the like.

I have wondered this, too. But recently several of those vendors have begun setting (and selling) fakes, so some rings from those vendors *could* contain fakes. Though I must admit, I've never understood the logic of putting a fake in an expensive custom-designed setting. But people do it. ETA: Maybe I should have said "But people vary"!

 

[that_someone_special]

I am curious why PS has not done a cz/ etc. sub forum though.

PS is paid for by advertising from sellers of real diamonds.

Nuff said?

I guess that makes sense!
They used to ban talk of pearls and allow those (thankfully) now.
I just figured it might help with keeping the *real* diamonds and the cz/ etc in the correct areas? Like maybe less people would try to pass off a cz as a real diamond if they had a proper sub forum for it.

The pearl ban might have been the brother-in-law-effect, as in Leonid's brother in-law (whom he perhaps hated) owned a pearl business.
(Purely speculation on my part.)

(Leonid was the former owner of Pricescope)

Maybe!
I figured the "cultured" part might be considered fake.. though you rarely find completely natural pearls anymore. Also, akoyas are essentially nacre covered beads (um, that are gorgeous). But they don't occur naturally like that for mass produced strands.

So is a black dyed akoya strand a double whammy? I wouldn't buy one but many others do and love them. Actually, we have had to tell some people in the pearl area that their pearls are dyed and they didn't know. It's sad... treatments should always be disclosed! Diamonds, CS, pearls...

 

[mrs taylor]

I would hope someone would say something. I mean it would feel awful to start a SMTB thread and have NO ONE comment if you thought it was real. I would be incredibly hurt by that. I mean, I'd never knowingly post a fake, but as pointed out people don't always know. I'm not sure snubbing them is the answer unless they're someone who has gleefully admitted to deception elsewhere.

On a side note, I have often wondered if that was the reason people got so many more responses, even as new posters if their rings had a "brand" name on them that was recognized and easily verified like a JbEG, LM, VC, DBL and the like.

I have wondered this, too. But recently several of those vendors have begun setting (and selling) fakes, so some rings from those vendors *could* contain fakes. Though I must admit, I've never understood the logic of putting a fake in an expensive custom-designed setting. But people do it. ETA: Maybe I should have said "But people vary"!

lol!

I can certainly see why someone would put a fake in a custom setting. I've said this before elsewhere. If I couldn't afford the stone of my dreams, but knew I would in the future, I'd rather invest in the custom setting so I'd always have "my ring" even if it meant a placeholder stone. BUT I wouldn't pass it off as real on a site like this. I'd love it for what it was, probably not go out of my way to tell people IRL that it was a temporary stone but I wouldn't come to a place meant for earth mined stones and pretend it was something it wasn't.

I'm the odd man out here that can see the place for sims, but there's no reason to lie about anything. Ever. I don't see PS as being elitist by only allowing diamonds. It's a different thing all together. I've no problem with a forum for sims and a forum for real stones. I have earrings that are sims that I wear daily and rings that are real, earth mined stones that also get daily wear. The earrings have never been posted here, while the rings have. It's not difficult to separate in my head.

 

[that_someone_special]

Also, there have been times that I have suspected the stone was fake or something about the piece was fake. Instead of calling them out, I ignore the post unless I have proof (as in, bragging about posting sims on here). Then I would just report it and show my source

 

[Lula]

I would hope someone would say something. I mean it would feel awful to start a SMTB thread and have NO ONE comment if you thought it was real. I would be incredibly hurt by that. I mean, I'd never knowingly post a fake, but as pointed out people don't always know. I'm not sure snubbing them is the answer unless they're someone who has gleefully admitted to deception elsewhere.

On a side note, I have often wondered if that was the reason people got so many more responses, even as new posters if their rings had a "brand" name on them that was recognized and easily verified like a JbEG, LM, VC, DBL and the like.

I have wondered this, too. But recently several of those vendors have begun setting (and selling) fakes, so some rings from those vendors *could* contain fakes. Though I must admit, I've never understood the logic of putting a fake in an expensive custom-designed setting. But people do it. ETA: Maybe I should have said "But people vary"!

lol!

I can certainly see why someone would put a fake in a custom setting. I've said this before elsewhere. If I couldn't afford the stone of my dreams, but knew I would in the future, I'd rather invest in the custom setting so I'd always have "my ring" even if it meant a placeholder stone. BUT I wouldn't pass it off as real on a site like this. I'd love it for what it was, probably not go out of my way to tell people IRL that it was a temporary stone but I wouldn't come to a place meant for earth mined stones and pretend it was something it wasn't.

I'm the odd man out here that can see the place for sims, but there's no reason to lie about anything. Ever. I don't see PS as being elitist by only allowing diamonds. It's a different thing all together. I've no problem with a forum for sims and a forum for real stones. I have earrings that are sims that I wear daily and rings that are real, earth mined stones that also get daily wear. The earrings have never been posted here, while the rings have. It's not difficult to separate in my head.

Interesting -- I'm the opposite. I'd save up for the stone first, and then save up for the custom setting. But what a nice idea to get the setting first so you could enjoy the ring with a placeholder stone.

 

[Dancing Fire]

I would hope someone would say something. I mean it would feel awful to start a SMTB thread and have NO ONE comment if you thought it was real. I would be incredibly hurt by that. I mean, I'd never knowingly post a fake, but as pointed out people don't always know. I'm not sure snubbing them is the answer unless they're someone who has gleefully admitted to deception elsewhere.

On a side note, I have often wondered if that was the reason people got so many more responses, even as new posters if their rings had a "brand" name on them that was recognized and easily verified like a JbEG, LM, VC, DBL and the like.

I have wondered this, too. But recently several of those vendors have begun setting (and selling) fakes, so some rings from those vendors *could* contain fakes. Though I must admit, I've never understood the logic of putting a fake in an expensive custom-designed setting. But people do it. ETA: Maybe I should have said "But people vary"!

b/c it is cheaper?..

 

[kenny]

Maybe I should have said "But people vary"!

I think I should get royalties.

 

[mrs taylor]

Interesting -- I'm the opposite. I'd save up for the stone first, and then save up for the custom setting. But what a nice idea to get the setting first so you could enjoy the ring with a placeholder stone.

I can see the merit in doing both. For me the style/craftsmanship is the most important part. Also with a placeholder stone the ring would never LOOK all that different. It would also (in my head anyway!) be generally less expensive to do the setting with sim, than the forever stone with a temporary setting. PLUS if I was stuck on a setting I can't be guaranteed that the designer is going to be around when I'm finally ready for it! SO for instance if I really wanted a van craeynest for my forever ring, I'd be better served to buy that ring NOW.

To each their own though!

 

[MyDiamondSparkles]

Oh gosh, hmmmm...I tend to believe anything anyone tells me, so it wouldn't even occur to me that someone was trying to pass a cz off as real. Or worse if they "thought" it was real and it wasn't.

I think I'd rather error on the side of caution and not say anything unless I knew 100 percent it was a cz and then I'd have to brave up the nerve to say something. Actually, now that I really think about it, I just don't think I'd say anything at all.

Okay so I went over to SMTB to see if I could spot any fakes...ha, I wouldn't even know what to look for. But I did notice one post was suspiciously missing. I looked through several pages and repeated looking thru them three times so either the post got pulled or it's late at night and I'm over looking it. Hmmmmm.... Im going back to SMTB for one last look......I'll report back later...

 

[mrs taylor]

Now I'm totally curious! It had to be fairly conspicuous if you noticed it was missing!

 

[MyDiamondSparkles]

Nope, just as I suspected it's late night with MDS and I somehow over looked it.....oopsie! It made for a bit of excitement though didn't it?

Now back to wondering which one is the fake? I wonder if those diamond testers work if we hold them up to the computer screen?

 

[HollyS]

How, exactly, given the usual photos of rings here, would you tell it was a fake?
Even my own e-ring doesn't photograph well when I'm behind the camera, and mine's got some good stats.

 

[SweetAsscher]

?? ahh curiosity!

 

[TristanC]

Oh, an exclusive club where only those with the $$$$ to buy untreated coloured stones too can post now????!!! There are lots of us poor sods that own tanzanite (99% of which are treated), so we're out. Some sapphires, I understand, are treated as well.....hmmmm. I suppose the only way to keep it honest is a certificate of authenticity or a piece of the rough from which it came.

If those are the criteria, then it's time to move on

IMO,CS would be a different case.

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Well, there are some 'elitists' on PS who evidently want only untreated stones to be shown whether they be diamonds or coloured stones.

I'm usually fairly quiet here - a lot of lurking, but very little posting - but if that's the way the forum is heading, it's time to go.

Hmm, I think you're over reacting to a statement that doesn't involve the direction that you're taking it to mean. Many coloured stones are treated, and the treatment is accepted as par for the course - and doesn't alter the value. e.g. paraiba tourmalines and tanzanites come to mind. But for coloured stones they DO state the treatment. I mean, if someone came and flouted a lab created ruby and bragged about how they got a neon mogok ruby at dirt cheap prices at a flea market... You'd be riled too.

I can see where Kenny is coming from. Natural coloured diamonds and Irradiated diamonds are completely different things. Same as how lab created alexandrite and real russian origin heirloom alexandrite are different things. It might have started out as a natural gemstone, but what it purports to being at the end is obviously something different altogether.

Imagine if someone started a "Show me your Alex!" Thread, and people filled it with lab created alexandrites without saying what they were... It would be different than if someone said "Show me your settings for Alexandrite so I can be inspired", and PSers responded with a "This is a lab created alex, but the setting really plays off the stone..." that would be a different feeling altogether.

I agree with another poster completely on the sentiment about how one shouldn't try to pass one thing off as another.

 

[pregcurious]

... so long as it has a natural origin, I'm good with it.

I agree with this.

I am guessing that the mods do not want to promote diamond simulants because they want PS to be the top diamond site on the web. This brings in the advertising that allows PS to be the top forum that it is. I agree with this approach. There is another site that focuses on diamond simulants.

As for colored stones, I think that stones of natural origin (not synthetics) with disclosed treatments is fine. I have colored stones that are untreated, but can imagine one day buying a medium blue sapphire that has been heated. I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with heated stones, as long as you are aware of the treatments. The CS forum is very good about educating posters about treatments, and I think we're all better consumers for it.

 

[WinkHPD]

I would hope someone would say something. I mean it would feel awful to start a SMTB thread and have NO ONE comment if you thought it was real. I would be incredibly hurt by that. I mean, I'd never knowingly post a fake, but as pointed out people don't always know. I'm not sure snubbing them is the answer unless they're someone who has gleefully admitted to deception elsewhere.

On a side note, I have often wondered if that was the reason people got so many more responses, even as new posters if their rings had a "brand" name on them that was recognized and easily verified like a JbEG, LM, VC, DBL and the like.

I have wondered this, too. But recently several of those vendors have begun setting (and selling) fakes, so some rings from those vendors *could* contain fakes. Though I must admit, I've never understood the logic of putting a fake in an expensive custom-designed setting. But people do it. ETA: Maybe I should have said "But people vary"!

One reason that some people do this is for travel rings. I once did a 4 carat diamond ring for a client who then had a copy made so that his lovely lady could wear the copy during their international travels.

There are many reasons why people would put a nice diamond simulant into an expensive custom designed setting, this is merely one of them.

Wink

 

[Saoirse2]

I can't imagine why someone would try to pass a cz off as real here.
As a newbie, this may sound weird but keep in mind that many of us have lurked for years and probably had transactions with members here prior to posting.
A few years back, a vendor posted a beautiful ring in yellow gold, I thought the stones were sims but it didn't bother me it was a great way to showcase the lovely piece. Ironically, a year or so later, same ring was offered in a private forum, seller requesting not to tell the vendor about the sale. The stones where indeed warmer cz,I know because I was interested in the ring but I DO not buy bad Karma.
S.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Oh, an exclusive club where only those with the $$$$ to buy untreated coloured stones too can post now????!!! There are lots of us poor sods that own tanzanite (99% of which are treated), so we're out. Some sapphires, I understand, are treated as well.....hmmmm. I suppose the only way to keep it honest is a certificate of authenticity or a piece of the rough from which it came.

If those are the criteria, then it's time to move on

IMO,CS would be a different case.

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Well, there are some 'elitists' on PS who evidently want only untreated stones to be shown whether they be diamonds or coloured stones.

I'm usually fairly quiet here - a lot of lurking, but very little posting - but if that's the way the forum is heading, it's time to go.

Isabel, I wouldn't give a second thought to posting a colored gemstone ring on Show Me the Bling and whether it is heated or not is really no one's business. It is still a natural stone. What we are talking about here are simulants, such as lab created colored stones or CZ's or other diamond simulants not being appropriate for this forum.

I'll have to agree that I can't spot a CZ in pictures. The ones I have seen are just like a H&A diamond! I just feel sorry for people who feel they have to post fakes on here. They are the ones with integrity problems.

 

[karpouzi]

This has happened before. Someone posted a cz. She was caught bc she also posted about the ring on another forum and said there it was a cz. I think she was called out/reported.

Actually if I'm thinking of the same ring--the asscher with pink halo?--she identified the vendor and a PSer contacted the vendor to ask what the stone was, then reported/outed her here. Which personally I think was a really rotten thing to do.

There's a lot of judgment in this thread against people who pass off CZ's as real, but I think it shows a lot of insecurity to worry so much about it. Live and let live.

 

[Circe]

I can't say it keeps me up at night ... I just think it's a dishonest and, well, insecure thing to do, to bother lying about what one's wearing IRL - and that much worse to bother on the internet, with complete strangers! That said, bothering to play Internet Detective to out somebody online is a little weird. Perhaps everybody should get out more?

 

[Gypsy]

I can't say it keeps me up at night ... I just think it's a dishonest and, well, insecure thing to do, to bother lying about what one's wearing IRL - and that much worse to bother on the internet, with complete strangers! That said, bothering to play Internet Detective to out somebody online is a little weird. Perhaps everybody should get out more?

This. Live and let live.

 

[that_someone_special]

Now that the pink halo type ring was brought up.. I DO REMEMBER thinking it wasn't a diamond. I think it was how it looked in the pictures and knowing how that poster commented on her finances that made me go "hmmmmm"

But I didn't care enough to call her out on it or check on it.. but I also don't care if others do it either!

 

[mrs taylor]

Geez. I can see calling someone out if they've been caught red handed (ie posted on another forum and outed themselves or something.) But to contact the vendor for the sole purpose of checking up on them so you can report back? That's kind of gross.

I'm actually also a bit suprised the vendor was willing to out them-though I have no idea how the subject was broached.