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Why many folks may not want to pay off their house ... BC they'll make more money.

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People vary.
This is in no way meant to disparage Begonia for paying off her house, a nearly-universal home owner financial goal.
I do understand the 'mind-clean' aspect of being debt free though.
I also understand people consciously rejecting the temptation of being debt free in order to end up with more money.

Forbes explains it well.


In case you hit a paywall ...

Why You Should Not Pay Off Your Mortgage​

Matt Picheny

Forbes Councils Member​

May 25, 2021,08:00am EDT​


I’ve been investing in real estate for over 15 years, but at the beginning, like most people, I immediately began trying to pay off my mortgage, figuring the quicker I got rid of the debt, the better. Then, I finally realized something that has revolutionized the way I thought about my investment strategy. This epiphany has set me on a course to financial freedom that is far more productive and successful than just being free from debt.

What was my sudden realization?
Mortgage debt can be your best friend.

And the longer you can keep that debt, the greater potential for your possible returns. In fact, what if I told you that just by having an affordable, well-structured mortgage for 30 years instead of 15 years, you could potentially earn three-quarters of a million dollars?

Intrigued? I thought so. Read on.

When most people think about debt, they automatically think debt is bad — get rid of it ASAP! In many instances, I agree that the concept of being debt-free makes complete sense at first. What I've learned is that all debts are not equal.

Thankless debt like credit cards, expensive auto loans and personal loans are all examples of what many call "bad debt." Why? They often carry large interest rates and other charges. Good debt benefits you, now or in the future, and helps you establish a credit history — like student loans or a reasonable mortgage on a property. Most importantly, it frees up money to go to work for you right now.

Paying down and getting rid of bad debt is important. Nobody needs to be climbing the financial ladder with that kind of baggage in tow. But if you want to really grow your wealth, paying off your mortgage won’t let you go as far or as quickly as the prudently leveraged property will. Here are some points to ponder:

A Mortgage Leads To Equity

You need a place to live, so purchasing a property can be a wise investment. Your monthly mortgage payments slowly pay off the debt, which is called building equity. That’s a lot better than giving it to a landlord and helping build their equity instead of yours.

A Mortgage Can Help Produce Passive Income

A rental property can produce passive income — profits you don’t really need to work for — on a monthly basis. Plus, your tenant’s rent pays down the debt and there can be tax benefits, too.

In either case — primary residence or rental property — sometimes people choose a shorter mortgage term, often 15 years instead of 30, but paying the debt off quickly may not help you build wealth faster.

While it may make you feel good to pay off your debt quickly, you are missing out on some very important lifestyle and wealth-building opportunities.

Time Is On Your Side

Inflation reduces your dollar’s purchasing power over time. With a mortgage, you are borrowing from the bank using today’s dollars but paying the loan back with future dollars. The value of those dollars becomes less every year, but you don’t have to pay more.

Borrowing money today and paying that same amount back later, when the dollar’s value is less, can be a smart strategy. This will have a more significant impact over 30 years versus 15 years. Put time (and inflation) on your side and stretch out your mortgage payments for as long as you can.

The Magic Of Arbitrage

The biggest argument on the side of those who want to pay off their debt quickly is interest. Interest is the amount of your mortgage payment that goes to the bank as their profit for giving you the loan. The longer the term, the more interest you will pay over the life of the loan.

Let’s take a look:

• The total cost of a $500,000 mortgage at a 5% interest rate for 30 years is $966,279 with monthly payments of $2,684.

• The same mortgage over 15 years would be $711,714 with monthly payments of $3,954.

• This is a difference in cost of $254,565.

On the face of it, nobody wants to pay nearly $255,000 in additional interest over the life of the loan. Yet, while that interest difference is substantial, there are tremendous benefits that come along with it. Your 30-year mortgage has much smaller payments, giving you an additional $1,270 in your pocket each month that could improve your quality of life. Even better, if you really want to grow your wealth, you could put that money toward another investment. As long as that other investment has a higher return than the mortgage, you will make a profit. This concept is called arbitrage.

Arbitrage means taking advantage of a difference in pricing. For example, a difference between the interest you are paying on a loan (5%) versus the profit you receive investing those dollars elsewhere (8%) would result in arbitrage (3%).

Utilizing arbitrage, you would actually be making money off the bank’s money. The amount can be quite substantial over the 30-year life of the loan. A $1,270 investment each month, earning just 3%, compounded monthly, over 30 years, grows to $745,089 – yes, you read that correctly. In this scenario, having a mortgage for 30 years versus 15 years increases wealth by nearly three-quarters of a million dollars. The key here in this and similar situations is you need to invest your money into an opportunity capable of producing that 3% arbitrage.

Winning With Leverage

To be clear, I’m not saying that people should live outside of their means. No one should pile on debt — definitely a bad idea. Leverage is a massive multiplier — it magnifies both wins and losses without prejudice. But don’t be afraid to maintain debt in order to increase your investment potential.

You don’t need to be debt-free to have the financial freedom that comes from more money in your pocket each month, or growing your wealth through arbitrage. Use leverage to increase your returns, just do so responsibly. This shift in mindset away from shunning all debt toward a more nuanced approach can really accelerate your returns.
 
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For me, personally, peace of mind is priceless.
We paid off our mortgages early and I would do it all over again. Despite our financial advisers input. I can’t put a price on peace of mind.
 
For me, personally, peace of mind is priceless.
We paid off our mortgages early and I would do it all over again. Despite our financial advisers input. I can’t put a price on peace of mind.

i did as well, even though it wasn't the prudent financial choice. i don't mind borrowing again in the future if it makes sense, but having no mortgage feels frickn amazing.

congrats, Begonia!!!!!!!
 
i need to pay mine off before i retire as we were only able to buy a house when i was in my late 40s otherwise it will be too hard if im on my own as Gary is older and already retired
 
I have 11 years left on a 2.5% mortgage and I don't plan on paying that sucker off one day early! I mean... Two And A Half Percent... !!!!!

ETA: But I do also understand the value of peace of mind. But for ME I'll take the long term cheap $$$. Everyone gets to make their decisions.
 
All of that is also dependent on your age and whether or not you are still working. Our goal was to be debt free by the time we both retired and we did it. While I understand the concept of extra money not being spent on a mortgage going toward other investments, all investments carry some risk. At a certain age, I feel you become more risk adverse. I am content to earn some interest on my money and have removed it all (several years back) from the market. Just not sure I will have enough years to make up huge losses and not willing to take the chance. Diversification is no longer in my vocabulary - lol!
 
My husband and I are those people who have such a low interest rate (2.125% on a 15 year mortgage with about 13 years left) that it is likely not to our advantage to pay it off. My husband is self employed and doesn't always get a regular paycheck. We work really hard to keep recurring payments to a minimum and keep them within my income (we are a dual career household). However, there is something to be said for NOT having a monthly payments. A zero debt household is probably not within our immediate future (and with the huge inflation rates that's probably the best financial decision) but as soon as it's feasible we will likely pay it all off. Would the money earn more elsewhere? Probably, but I feel strongly that having every dollar I "should" is not my highest priority.
 
My husband and I are those people who have such a low interest rate (2.125% on a 15 year mortgage with about 13 years left) that it is likely not to our advantage to pay it off. My husband is self employed and doesn't always get a regular paycheck. We work really hard to keep recurring payments to a minimum and keep them within my income (we are a dual career household). However, there is something to be said for NOT having a monthly payments. A zero debt household is probably not within our immediate future (and with the huge inflation rates that's probably the best financial decision) but as soon as it's feasible we will likely pay it all off. Would the money earn more elsewhere? Probably, but I feel strongly that having every dollar I "should" is not my highest priority.

Peace of mind is priceless. I recognize that folks come at money from many different directions. What is right for one is not right for all but I hope that you are able to reach that goal as it seems important to you too!
 
ours comes up for renewel every 2 years so im worried this year
last time i found the chap from the bank very unhlepful exsplaining the options

but we also only brought a house we could afford if interest rates or personal circumstances changed (and both have ) so hopefully we'll be ok
also with the bottom falling out of the housing market we are thankful we brought a house close to its actual value and not highly inflated so now we dont have to worry about negative equity or what ever its called

when we were house shopping there was a number you might all laugh at that i just wouldnt go over
but i just refussed to spend that much money on a house

i wish we had been able to make bigger repayments when interest was low but circumstances were what they were and at least we were making repayments and not treading water,
the total amount owing is definatly going down at a rate that we can actually see
 
We paid ours off when the rate was 12% so no regrets here.
 
ours comes up for renewel every 2 years so im worried this year
last time i found the chap from the bank very unhlepful exsplaining the options

but we also only brought a house we could afford if interest rates or personal circumstances changed (and both have ) so hopefully we'll be ok
also with the bottom falling out of the housing market we are thankful we brought a house close to its actual value and not highly inflated so now we dont have to worry about negative equity or what ever its called

when we were house shopping there was a number you might all laugh at that i just wouldnt go over
but i just refussed to spend that much money on a house

i wish we had been able to make bigger repayments when interest was low but circumstances were what they were and at least we were making repayments and not treading water,
the total amount owing is definatly going down at a rate that we can actually see

Not a single sane person would ever laugh at this Daisy. I also feel strongly about not buying more house than we can easily afford.
 
i don't think anyone would laugh. finding and being able to stick to that number shows a lot of discipline imho

never having house hunted before we soon realized the same (lets call them) inperfections in the houses available would be in all price points at the time we were buying
 
never having house hunted before we soon realized the same (lets call them) inperfections in the houses available would be in all price points at the time we were buying

You and Gary made a very wise decision not to be house poor and having balance in your finances. Kudos to you on your planning and good luck on your renewal at the bank which you stated is due again. (If you're not happy with the explanations from the chap at the bank, request someone else assist you. You are entitled to a clear concise explanation.)
 
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When we initially purchased our current home, my hubby was wanting to do the 15 year loan right off the bat, but I told him I'd feel much better starting with the 30 and refinancing a year or two later because the difference in mortgage payment would have been $1,400, and that was over what one income could handle. I wanted to make certain that , in the event one of us lost our job, we could still handle the mortgage payment. We refinanced two years later to a 15 and we got a much lower rate, and the monthly payment only went up by $600.

With about 13 years left at a 2.75 percent interest rate, my gut tells me to pay it off as soon as possible because that mortgage payment is huge (doable on one income if need be, but still huge). We are maxing out our 401k, and once I switch careers fields next year to one that offers benefits, I'll absolutely be taking advantage of and making maximum contributions to a second one as well.

I'm researching to find a good financial advisor to help get us set up for our long term goals. We are doing better than many our age (mid 30s) in terms of debt reduction and retirement savings, but I'd like to be doing better and have an actual game plan.
 
People vary.
This is in no way meant to disparage Begonia for paying off her house, a nearly-universal home owner financial goal.
I do understand the 'mind-clean' aspect of being debt free though.
I also understand people consciously rejecting the temptation of being debt free in order to end up with more money.

Forbes explains it well.


Thank you for the link, Kenny, but I find the article biased, IMHO. Forbes is an investment magazine and their publishing interests are probably not well funded by the staid "home mortgage". I think they may be more interested in people investing in stocks, bonds and investment areas.

If mortgage rates continue with free money, (interest rates 3% and lower), there may be a circumstance where further consideration for not paying down the mortgage may be necessary. However, interest rates should shortly return to their norms... 5%-8% for example. There is a constant effort to push money into the overvalued, in many instances, stock market but there is no safer investment, in my opinion, than the payoff of one's mortgage.

We watched, what I consider to be the ultimate poor choice, many retirees in a Florida retirement community take out mortgages on their homes when they moved in so they could invest the principal in the market. I guess they are fine with going down in flames if the market collapses and they are unable to make even minimal payments on their debt and obligations. I often wonder what would happen to the community and the amenities if this should happen.

We and many others who have pre-payed their mortgages are doing very well but then we live modestly to accomplish that deed and expenses are well planned. We sleep well at night and don't have to have a home with a second story window to jump out of when the whole thing collapses. It is very tenuous these days...
 
I’ve owned my house free and clear for 10-20 or so years now. I had a ridiculously high interest rate when I first purchased it - I was less than two years out of college then and that interest rates were in the teens. I refinanced once to get a lower interest rate and to pull out some cash for home improvements, and a second time to lower the interest rate and shorten the term of the loan. I’m very fortunate in that except for the first few years of owning my home, I’ve never felt like the mortgage was a stretch for me.

I am and pretty much always have been aware of the arguments in the Forbes article. I’ve also never been tempted by those arguments. Real estate is a safe and very good investment where I live. It also gave me a great sense of security knowing that I would never be “underwater” with my loan and now, knowing that I own it outright.

I’ve had to deal with clearing out three estates in the past three years. Both my parents and my father-in-law owned their homes outright, which meant. that there was no pressure on us to sell their properties quickly after their deaths. In both cases this luxury of time was a godsend - especially since the pandemic and Covid restrictions hit just as we were ready to market both properties. My mother-in-law passed away earlier this year. Her home was also paid off, which allowed her to give her longtime partner rights the ability to live out his life in the house they had shared together, if he chooses to do so.
 
Personal opinion and all that notwithstanding: Using other people’s money is still debt, so I suppose it is a difference in POV and choice - debt or no debt.

By having no mortgage, or other debt, we believe the money we earn is free for us to invest - and grow - without debt. We also can be generous in ways we hadn’t imagined. While we aren’t completely debt free, we are working on it - and so far the piece of mind is worth more to us than we could have imagined.

Clearly, the debt industry doesn’t like that message. They earn a lot thru interest payments. I don’t blame them for working hard to create messages that defend their industry, but it’s lovely that there are other choices.

So, as in most things, to each their own - and let’s enjoy each other and the bling!
 
I paid off my house when my husband died, it is now a rental. When I remarried, we bought a house, interest rates and property values were low, large down payment. We decided on a 30 year and thought we'd look at 15 year once all the remodeling was completed. We decided to keep as is because our payment is so low, a third of rentals and comparable mortgages in our area. We'd only be saving $450 a month; you still have to pay taxes and insurance.
 
Jez, how did yo guys lock in low rates for such a long term ?
maybe we dont do it like that in our market ??
i guess we were pretty green in not knowing how to do stuff
 
Jez, how did yo guys lock in low rates for such a long term ?
maybe we dont do it like that in our market ??
i guess we were pretty green in not knowing how to do stuff

typical terms here are 15 / 20 / 30 years
houses are so expensive now i wouldn't be surprised we see longer terms offered in the future
yes the banks love their interest... ha! in the US you have to pay the interest first, 1st year it's something like 2/3 interest, 1/3 principal and by the end you're paying off principal only. banks make sure they get paid back first.
 
typical terms here are 15 / 20 / 30 years
houses are so expensive now i wouldn't be surprised we see longer terms offered in the future
yes the banks love their interest... ha! in the US you have to pay the interest first, 1st year it's something like 2/3 interest, 1/3 principal and by the end you're paying off principal only. banks make sure they get paid back first.

ours was 30 years although with low interest rates and still paying the same amount we knocked off quite a few extra years off it
but you only seem to be able to fix the term (as in the interest rate) for a couple of years here
but as i said we went in a bit green
 
Having purchased my first home when interest rates were at 7 percent, in 1998, I do kind of wish that I hadn’t rushed to pay off my home so that I could have capitalized on the 2 percent interest rates that were being offered at their low point!! Talk about healthy debt!!! So I can see why the article advocates for that. Sigh.
 
First house, we paid it off, it was a relief but you're still on the hook for taxes and insurance (of course right?)

My house has a mortgage. but I got 2 good rates on it. First rate was low @ 3.75. I refinanced at 2.99 which was pretty damn awesome. I'll hang out there for a minute because the rate being so low, its not rocking the boat. (his house is paid for it has sense skyrocketed in price. My house also is much higher in price, and you're not moving into this neighborhood without paying over half million. That is scary to me. thats expensive and higher than I'm comfortable with!)

But, I think if you can, you should. I'm still working a full time job, and the EOY offset makes some sense. Plus I can't deny I like having everything rolled into the mortgage without thinking so hard about it.
 
@kenny

I’m with you on this 100%. We have done quite well over the years using this kind of leverage. We have refinanced countless times (with 0 points/0 closing costs) over the years, taking on yet another 30-year mortgage and we still have about 26 years left on the latest one which is fine with us because at 3.5% we do invest it back in the market with significantly better returns than the (after tax) interest rate. We considered a 15-year instead but we wanted the flexibility of a smaller payment.

It’s definitely the financially better decision in the long run, even using conservative investments, but it is surprising how few people take advantage of this option. My good friend is a financial analyst but paid off her 3% mortgage on a rental property which made no sense.

We also have a rental property that brings in more equity and income and that wouldn’t have happened without using the leverage of our 1st mortgage.
 
Glad to hear it, and good for you CaseyLouLou. :clap:
As a young man I had the goal of living in a paid off house ASAP.
The downside of paying off your house never sunk in till someone explained it this way ...
OPM, or using Other People's Money to make money.

For example:
Invest $100,000 at 5% and you earn $5,000 in a year.
Or invest the same $100,000 (as 20% down on a $500,000 house) assuming that same 5% appreciation) and you earn $25,000.
80% of the money you earned was the result of using OPM, other people's money.

So, people who keep leveraging their wealth by using OPM are 5 times better off after one year.
Think of how that will compound over 40 years.

There's no comparison.
Maybe it's a left vs. right brain thing.
Some consider debt as a dirty but a necessary evil to be free of ASAP.
Others understand how to use debt wisely to get rich.
But hey, people vary - so their long term outcome will also vary.

Debt varies.
There is good debt and there is bad debt.
 
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So, people who keep leveraging their wealth by using OPM are 5 times better off after one year.

I know you know that leverage works in both directions -- 5X risk on the upside is 5X risk on the downside. As long as you can guarantee that housing prices will climb, it's a can't-lose strategy. There is never a "safe" time for this -- and right about now seems like a particularly challenging time to be predicting the future.

People have been gambling with OPM for millennia. Sometimes you win; sometimes you get your legs broken.

It can be hard to tell what is good debt and what is bad debt until you see what happens to the value of what you bought on credit. Not too long ago, lots of people ended up underwater on their homes.
 
ours was 30 years although with low interest rates and still paying the same amount we knocked off quite a few extra years off it
but you only seem to be able to fix the term (as in the interest rate) for a couple of years here
but as i said we went in a bit green

The home mortgage market in the US is subsidised by the government, who buys the home mortgages. If it was unsubsidised, it would adjust as the commercial real estate loan market does, and be limited in term. The only way to duplicate the home mortgage 30 year loans in commercial is to find an insurance co or pension fund.

You didn’t miss anything in your country, in other words.
 
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