Indeed. If you catch a disease, you can easily spread it to someone with a weaker immune system. The choice to vaccinate simply cannot be a selfish one. I work in the healthcare field. I have just published an article on Post Polio Syndrome. Believe me, it is not a fun condition. I am literally stunned that people can so easily ignore the devastating effects of these PREVENTABLE diseases.
Ah! we were/are close!Date: 11/3/2009 6:00:18 PM
Author: justginger
I used to be at PMH, but have since moved to one of the tertiary hospitals. Possibly might make the trek to Fiona Stanley when it''s finally up and running.
End digression.
Date: 11/3/2009 11:54:12 PM
Author: hawaiianorangetree
Date: 11/3/2009 6:00:18 PM
Author: justginger
I used to be at PMH, but have since moved to one of the tertiary hospitals. Possibly might make the trek to Fiona Stanley when it's finally up and running.
End digression.
Ah! we were/are close!
I work at the Telethon Istitute accross the road from PMH, we will all be moving to the new Fiona STanley site when it's done too.
i think your rightDate: 11/4/2009 3:38:11 AM
Author: arjunajane
Date: 11/3/2009 11:54:12 PM
Author: hawaiianorangetree
Date: 11/3/2009 6:00:18 PM
Author: justginger
I used to be at PMH, but have since moved to one of the tertiary hospitals. Possibly might make the trek to Fiona Stanley when it''s finally up and running.
End digression.
Ah! we were/are close!
I work at the Telethon Istitute accross the road from PMH, we will all be moving to the new Fiona STanley site when it''s done too.
he he,
and both of you work less than a km from where Fi and I live in one direction, and my folk''s place in the other.
You know what, I bet chances are if we ever had a Perth GTG, we likely will have seen/recognize each other anyways
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It is, and also important to question those who are intent on constantly upping the medical ante on us....Date: 11/4/2009 7:29:50 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
Ellen said:
In conclusion, this is not about a conspiracy theory, this is about the truth, that we do not get as we should. Reporters fail miserably, people are intimidated and won't come forward, people are fired for blowing the whistle, greed has taken over. No wonder we can't pull up some official link every time, it is NOT being reported on like it should. That's why you find every day citizens and doctors taking on the machine, that's how many things of importance get done when it involves the govt. They will not do it on their own, they will not do it without a lot of shouting from the little people/grass roots movements. And ya know what? That's our right to question them on things that affect us. It's in the constitution, it's called being a Patriot. Look it up if you don't believe me.
And the day may well come when many of you finally understand what mz and miracles (thanks gals!) and I do, now.
I haven't been around much the last couple of weeks because we bought a new house and I have a million things to do. But I HAD to stop in here to give my support to Ellen. Being in special ed., you'd better believe I am concerned about the triggers for the monumental increase in disorders such as ADHD and autism. And if you don't think these can be negative, life-altering conditions, you haven't been in my world.
The quantity of vaccines given NOW is FAR greater than the amount we were given as infants and children. Big Pharma CERTAINLY will do whatever it takes to be sure their profits aren't hurt. GREED is the ONLY reason meds and vaccines get on the market as fast as they do...and then whoops!...gosh, a bunch of people have adverse reactions and THEN they decide to pull them!
I do think it is wise to give SOME vaccines. But in discussing this with my adult daughter in regard to her future children, I would absolutely advise spreading the necessary vaccines out, giving only ones that have been around a long time with little adverse reaction, and definitely avoid ones with Thimerosol. We don't need to put mercury in our kids' developing brains. In fact, because my Dad died a year ago of Alzheimer's after years of having the flu shot, I'll never again take a shot of any kind with Thimerosol, just to be safe. And I do understand that polio can be much worse than ADHD and milder autism. But SOMETHING IS causing those conditions to increase over when I first started teaching years ago. The change in the vaccination schedule and increase in vaccines is something we do need to consider. I have no trust in a multi-billion dollar industry that rushes to put things on the market before ample testing has been done.
Thanks for posting, Ellen. It may not be popular, but I think it is important to question everything we put into the bodies of our children (and ourselves).
(And I am deeply sorry to hear of the loss of your baby.)
Says who Zhu? Certainly not the undeniable expert that spoke of said vaccines in the article mz posted (along with a myriad of other competant doctors around the world). Did you not read it? Did you not see this?
Date: 11/6/2009 11:45:46 AM
Author: Ellen
There is NO real evidence that not getting this vaccine would mean ''death to the masses'', nor even that it works at all. All the while containing questionably toxic ingredients.... Maybe you should either read it if you didn''t, or read it again.
I really hope people will start waking up, for your own good.
Where are the clinical trials of your supposed "cancer cure"? I''m not able to fully research this at the moment, but if you have links...Date: 11/6/2009 11:45:46 AM
Author: Ellen
I really hope people will start waking up, for your own good.
Date: 11/5/2009 7:25:37 PM
I'll end this with a huge exclamation point on what I'm trying to get across here. Just found it a couple days ago, quite by accident. Apparently there has been a possible (sounds probable) Cancer cure since 1922. TRUE STORY. Be sure to watch the two part video, it's extremely revealing on how things really work, and why I bet most of us have never heard of it. Her story is facinating, and a written part is at the bottom. She was backed by many doctors, including the one who discovered insullin, Dr. Banting.
What they put her through, for simply trying to save lives, with natural ingredients would astonish me did I not already know how they work. The fact that this never saw the light of day internationally thanks to them refusing her the one request to acknowledge it was working, leaves much to be said. That we could, as a world, have this product easily made available to any and all cancer patients (without having to STUMBLE upon it), were it not for the pride, arrogance and GREED of the medical profession at large, is truly, unconscionable.
Thank God she never handed it over, or we wouldn't even be able to stumble upon it by accident now.
I really hope people will start waking up, for your own good.
I'm sorry, but I believe that your statement I bolded doesn't make sense. The reason why we're talking about this isn't because of any correlation between thimerosal and Autism (autism rates have not gone down since thimersosal has been REMOVED from the "autism vaccine!") but because science has not yet found the REAL cause of autism, so all this snake oil pseudo science is filling in the gap and giving people a scapegoat.Date: 11/5/2009 7:09:06 PM
Author: Ellen
zhu, that info is nice, if one assumes it's correct, based on solid, thorough data and believes the govt. is looking out for our best interest. But as previously shown in the last few links I posted, that's highly debatable. Also, it states that 'There is no convincing evidence of harm caused by the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines'. However, there is no convincing (independant) evidence of no harm either, otherwise we still wouldn't be talking about it.
Exactly. Thimersole has been removed yet Autism rates have grown ever HIGHER. They are now 1 in every 91 children and that includes both children who have been vaccinated and children who have NOT been vaccinated. My best friend is involved with an autism support group and became close to a woman who has 3 children, all with autism, all boys. Her first was vaccinated and she blamed it on the vaccines because a few years back, that was the strongest correlation. Then her second child who was NOT vaccinated was diagnosed with autism. She already had given birth to her 3rd at that point and last year, he too was diagnosed with autism as well (he was not vaccinated either). The tide is turning on the thought that vaccines causes or creates autism and the focus is more on genetics & environment. Coincidentally, my friend told me that majority of the parents in her autism groups (she participates in three) are older parents and almost ALL of the children are boys.Date: 11/6/2009 6:32:58 PM
Author: JulieN
I''m sorry, but I believe that your statement I bolded doesn''t make sense. The reason why we''re talking about this isn''t because of any correlation between thimerosal and Autism (autism rates have not gone down since thimersosal has been REMOVED from the ''autism vaccine!'') but because science has not yet found the REAL cause of autism, so all this snake oil pseudo science is filling in the gap and giving people a scapegoat.Date: 11/5/2009 7:09:06 PM
Author: Ellen
zhu, that info is nice, if one assumes it''s correct, based on solid, thorough data and believes the govt. is looking out for our best interest. But as previously shown in the last few links I posted, that''s highly debatable. Also, it states that ''There is no convincing evidence of harm caused by the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines''. However, there is no convincing (independant) evidence of no harm either, otherwise we still wouldn''t be talking about it.
Well said. And really, there is no debating this post. We have less disease in the world, and certainly in the U.S., because of our policies on immunizations. . . regardless of anyone''s personal opinion here on the motives of: doctors, health professionals, drug makers, or our government.
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