Twitter Filling Up with Trump Supporters Who Regret . . .

[OreoRosies86]

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"As I've said before, I didn't vote for Trump..."

YOU ABSOLUTELY DID.

No I didn't, but my wife did voted for Trump, so should I divorce her?...

can you... afford to?

 

[arkieb1]

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For those that didn't vote for Trump or left the form blank;

 

[Dancing Fire]

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"As I've said before, I didn't vote for Trump..."

YOU ABSOLUTELY DID.

No I didn't, but my wife did voted for Trump, so should I divorce her?...

can you... afford to?

Would it be cheaper to marry a liberal?...

 

[OreoRosies86]

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"As I've said before, I didn't vote for Trump..."

YOU ABSOLUTELY DID.

No I didn't, but my wife did voted for Trump, so should I divorce her?...

can you... afford to?

Would it be cheaper to marry a liberal?...

Not this liberal, I'm not supporting any house husbands!

 

[Dee*Jay]

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For those that didn't vote for Trump or left the form blank;

arkieb, I am sorry you are not an American. I would be proud to have you as my neighbor.

 

[the_mother_thing]

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I voted for him, though - as I explained to DD - it was like having a bitter pill sit on your tongue while you fumble for a drink to wash it down, only to not have a drink, so you choke it back and do your best not to gag. I did not vote for him in my primary, and was rather shocked he won my state. I was firmly in Camp Cruz who - I suppose - doesn't look quite so crazy now, huh!

I never "liked" Chump, and stated such on here about it leading up to the election. I still think he is a pig. But I refused to not vote, and I could not vote for Clinton (I posted my rationale for this decision if someone is curious and wants to dig it up).

 

[arkieb1]

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For those that didn't vote for Trump or left the form blank;

arkieb, I am sorry you are not an American. I would be proud to have you as my neighbor.

Hugs Dee*Jay, I feel the same way about you and many of the lovely P/Sers on here!!!

 

[momhappy]

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its so interesting to me how we can preach about diversity, celebrating our differences, open borders, equal rights,etc. and then turn around and discriminate against others simply based upon who they voted for
I don't see a lot of voter regret, but I suppose it exists in some circles. I see one group of people who are pleased that Trump has followed through on his campaign promises and one group of people who are disgusted by the fact that he has followed through on his campaign promises. Neither of which is surprising to me in any way, shape, or form.

 

[the_mother_thing]

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its so interesting to me how we can preach about diversity, celebrating our differences, open borders, equal rights,etc. and then turn around and discriminate against others simply based upon who they voted for

Discrimination = Discrimination, period!

Elevating or minimizing any form of it is just more discrimination, and not consistent with equality, IMO.

 

[missy]

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Popper

Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.

 

[AnnaH]

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You knew that I voted for Trump; you just forgot. He wasn't my first or 15th choice, but he also wasn't Clinton.
If someone says they didn't vote for either presidential candidate, why do you call them liars? Oh wait, you've called them even worse. Those who dare to refuse the lock-step attitude of many liberals have been called every foul label available.
For the first time I recall, I know quite a few people who voted the down ticket and left the presidential choice blank or did a write in.
I don't agree with that, but I understand it. Some of us can actually understand another viewpoint.

 

[lovedogs]

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its so interesting to me how we can preach about diversity, celebrating our differences, open borders, equal rights,etc. and then turn around and discriminate against others simply based upon who they voted for

Discrimination = Discrimination, period!

Elevating or minimizing any form of it is just more discrimination, and not consistent with equality, IMO.

Here's my issue with that argument. It essentially assumes that because I (using "I" to mean people who agree with me on this issue, not just me FWIW), want equal rights for women, to celebrate diversity, etc, I have to "tolerate" racist and sexist people. I completely disagree with that as a premise, because we shouldn't stand for hateful intolerance, period. Not to say that you are racist/sexist, because I don't think you are. But what it boils down to (for me) is this: if you (or anyone else) voted for Trump, or didn't vote for POTUS, or wrote in a vote, it means that you don't find racism and sexism (plus every other horrible thing he stands for--too many to list) as disqualifying qualities. It means that those things are not on the "top of your list" as the most important things. And that means that I have a real problem with your actions in terms of voting. If the choice was Clinton vs. McCain (for example), I would simply disagree with your vote but be able to move on. The reason liberals aren't "tolerant" of Trump supporters is because it tells us something about their values (and what they don't value), and we strongly disagree with that.

 

[monarch64]

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Actual quote from a real-life person yesterday: "I tried for SO MANY YEARS not to be racist." Context? African-Americans pronouncing "ask" like "axe." He just can't stand that they're "too lazy" to pronounce words correctly. And also? He thinks all lives matter. Also? He thinks Michael Brown "**edited by moderator for language** up" and got shot and it was his own fault. These thoughts brought to you by white male, aged 50+.

Actual quote from former co-worker: "I just don't understand it. What do they WANT? What more do they think they NEED?" --regarding reparations/African-Americans' general dissatisfaction with "things." --white woman, aged 60+.

Both of these people voted for Trump. Why didn't they vote for Clinton? Because LIAR, that's why.

I hear crap like this all the time. Posters here are very careful with their wording (well, most of them.) People in real life are not so careful with their words if they're comfortable in their surroundings and think no one will call them out on their racist remarks. I'm sick of having to explain to people why they're an **language**. They have zero self-awareness and take zero responsibility for their attitudes and behaviors. You should have heard the backpedaling yesterday when I, after listening in disbelief (for the thousandth time) pointed out that his rant was offensive on about 93 levels. There was sputtering, backpedaling, and THEN, another poignant argument in defense of racism and how it's totally ok.

Maybe THAT'S why liberals have a problem with Trump supporters.

 

[the_mother_thing]

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Popper

Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.

Where do we draw the line at "tolerance"? Who gets to decide?

 

[AnnaH]

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Pretty sure the class act that was Martin Luther King would disapprove of the vitriol here.
Of course, there are racists and people who fit all the other ism labels, just not everyone who disagrees with liberals.

 

[ruby59]

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Actual quote from a real-life person yesterday: "I tried for SO MANY YEARS not to be racist." Context? African-Americans pronouncing "ask" like "axe." He just can't stand that they're "too lazy" to pronounce words correctly. And also? He thinks all lives matter. Also? He thinks Michael Brown "****ed up" and got shot and it was his own fault. These thoughts brought to you by white male, aged 50+.

Actual quote from former co-worker: "I just don't understand it. What do they WANT? What more do they think they NEED?" --regarding reparations/African-Americans' general dissatisfaction with "things." --white woman, aged 60+.

Both of these people voted for Trump. Why didn't they vote for Clinton? Because LIAR, that's why.

I hear crap like this all the time. Posters here are very careful with their wording (well, most of them.) People in real life are not so careful with their words if they're comfortable in their surroundings and think no one will call them out on their racist remarks. I'm sick of having to explain to people why they're an *******. They have zero self-awareness and take zero responsibility for their attitudes and behaviors. You should have heard the backpedaling yesterday when I, after listening in disbelief (for the thousandth time) pointed out that his rant was offensive on about 93 levels. There was sputtering, backpedaling, and THEN, another poignant argument in defense of racism and how it's totally ok.

Maybe THAT'S why liberals have a problem with Trump supporters.

Or could it be that we are not like the people you describe above. And you are projecting those feelings onto the posters here. I am not being careful with my words, I do not feel the same way as they do. Regarding ask, axe, it is probably a culture thing. Hey in Rhode Island, we do not pronounce our R's. I could not care less.

As far as their dissatisfaction, I do understand and sympathize with their history. The Jews were treated very badly as well. But maybe it is time to move on and stop using it as an excuse for everything.

 

[the_mother_thing]

YES! Another "JoCoJenn Novel" ...

Here's my issue with that argument. It essentially assumes that because I (using "I" to mean people who agree with me on this issue, not just me FWIW), want equal rights for women, to celebrate diversity, etc, I have to "tolerate" racist and sexist people. I completely disagree with that as a premise, because we shouldn't stand for hateful intolerance, period. Not to say that you are racist/sexist, because I don't think you are. But what it boils down to (for me) is this: if you (or anyone else) voted for Trump, or didn't vote for POTUS, or wrote in a vote, it means that you don't find racism and sexism (plus every other horrible thing he stands for--too many to list) as disqualifying qualities. It means that those things are not on the "top of your list" as the most important things. And that means that I have a real problem with your actions in terms of voting. If the choice was Clinton vs. McCain (for example), I would simply disagree with your vote but be able to move on. The reason liberals aren't "tolerant" of Trump supporters is because it tells us something about their values (and what they don't value), and we strongly disagree with that.

A point of clarification to ensure we're on the same page: I don't use the word "equality" as you or others may, meaning 'specific to women'. If it requires or implies a 'modifier', it's not 'equal' IMO. So, that said, if you (collectively) disagree with:

Elevating or minimizing any form of (discrimination) is just more discrimination, and not consistent with equality...

... how I interpret that is (for example) someone believing "Christians' rights > Muslims' rights" or "women's rights > LGBTQ rights". THAT is not equal in my view; every citizen's rights are equally important in my eyes and it's one of the primary reasons I analyze things the way I do (so as not to adversely impact someone else while trying to apply equity to another). If you give more weight in ANY way to one, the others are no longer equal. Similarly, I don't read the word "men" in our Declaration of Independence, Constitution, Bill of Rights, etc. in the literal sense that others may because our society has evolved; so my brain automatically replaces it with "citizens", and that is how I think when it comes to any matter involving equality & rights. Perhaps I'm unique in how I think, but I don't get why that is a difficult concept to grasp or believe, or how exactly it is somehow 'wrong'. And if it's not wrong, then for the love of all that is fabulous & flamboyant, STOP generalizing voters!

On the issue of voting, you are absolutely entitled to feel/think what you do, and prioritize your vote based on "what's most important" to and aligns with your beliefs; however, I would never tell someone else what should be their priority for voting (unless asked) as I've not walked a step in their shoes, nor they in mine. I wouldn't say "how can you prioritize ANY 'rights' over National Security, because without NatSec, you won't HAVE any rights?"; I might think it but I wouldn't say it nor judge you for it. So, as you note, the above is your (and anyone who agrees with you) "assumption"; it is not fact. And I won't speak for anyone else and how/if they voted, but those assumptions are absolutely false or perhaps misunderstanding/s specifically of me, my vote, and/or my feelings. If I said it once, I've said it (on here) a million times (and feel like it should be my siggy) - I don't condone racism, bigotry, or any of the "Hillary 7" - either myself or a loved one is a target for each of those. I even routinely jump my own (ULTRA liberal) father's butt when he - an old(er), white, non-rich man - makes (what he feels and I know in his heart to be) jokes. But as much as you and I may feel that way, we also do not have the right (aside from respectful attempts at influence) to change their behavior except by our own example.

Voting is very personal, and every citizen has a right to vote IAW their beliefs, conscience, priorities, personality, etc. Their vote - even if they only pulled a name from a hat or voted for Hillary solely because she's a woman - does not carry any more or less weight than yours or mine; they are equal. I don't mind sharing why/how I voted (detailed below), especially if it helps to dispel the false assumptions in this ongoing "us vs them" debate. And it DOES just so happen to be my belief that - as a country - if we lack national security, everything else we enjoy in terms of "rights", "equality", etc. is at risk, so it IS my #1 priority when it comes to my vote.

Below is what I posted in re: to another poster's comment that she didn't understand how a woman could vote for Chump:

This election, quite frankly, sucked! The candidates sucked. The behavior all around by the candidates sucked. The process being manipulated by committees and the media sucked. The lack of accountability sucked. One party may have "won" the election, but I do believe - having witnessed what I did the last year during all of this - that America lost. We lost respect, civility, accountability, a sense of community, cohesiveness, unity and what has binded us together. And that is sad.

I have shared some of my general rationale for voting for Trump in other threads, but I will elaborate a bit, not in hopes of gaining your approval or anything; just so you and others may perhaps understand, especially as it pertains to this particular topic of women's rights, etc., how *this* woman could vote for him.

A few facts - I am a conservative. I am a patriot. I love my country and ALL its citizens, and to the depths of my heart and soul I appreciate & respect those who have fought for every single freedom and right we enjoy today. I don't view our constitution as just words on paper or a basis for deciding cases; I view it as centuries of bloodshed by people who thankfully had the courage, bravery, wisdom and foresight to build a framework that would allow future generations an opportunity to experience life, liberty and happiness. It's not perfect, but without it, where would we be today?

I did not view this election from the perspective of "a woman"; rather, as an American with the utmost respect for our country, it's safety & security, and it's laws. I did not like seeing the things happening in my country that I have seen over the last few years - the lack of national security; attacks on our soil (as well as that of our allies); the divisiveness that I feel grew significantly between genders, races, religions, etc.; the lack of respect for our country by others; the economic instability; the loss of jobs and the twisting of numbers & terms to make it appear better than it really is; and this list goes on. The reason these things were important to me is because - without them - we risk losing our country, constitution, freedoms, and rights. These things are all much bigger than 'me' and my gender, and dare I say that - to cast a vote for President against Trump solely because he is perceived a misogynist or a woman-hater is IMO selfish and short-sighted, and I don't mean that YOU (XXXXXXXXXX) are those things; rather, that's just how I feel given the enormous responsibilities of the position.

When I had to evaluate these two candidates (who both sucked) and make a choice, I had to do it for my country; not personalities or gender. For me, not voting was not an option I would consider. I had to choose which person I felt was most capable and qualified to lead, make tough decisions with the whole country's best interests in mind (not just one segment of the country). I had to decide - if it was my daughter wearing the uniform and defending our country, who would best have her back and respect & value her life to ensure she had the support needed to carry out her mission and would put her in harms way only out of imminent and ultimate necessity. I had to decide which person I felt most respected this country, it's citizens, it's laws, and would make those things a priority over what other countries do, think, enact, etc. I had to decide which person was best capable of putting more people back to work. I had to decide which person would most respect the reasons this country was founded in the first place, and not be wasteful with nor misappropriate my tax dollars in ways I don't feel are appropriate, which subsequently impedes my ability to pursue my definition of happiness.

I had to make this very difficult choice based on what I knew about both people to be factual and what I perceived to be truthful from and about each. I had to look at their history, records, words, experiences, accomplishments, and failures. And I had to decide - considering those things - out of these two sucky candidates, which most aligned with my priorities noted above. For a slew of reasons I have shared in many other threads, that person was not HRC, because even with a pig of a man as her opponent, IMO she overwhelmingly demonstrated untrustworthiness in everything that was important me. I do believe she broke the law (even if she was not found guilty) by virtue of her own admissions & evidence, and as vile as he may be, I do not believe he broke the law by virtue of the same. And to this point, I also could not in good conscience support someone - a lawyer at that - to be the leader of our country.

NO part of my decision was based on nor intended in any way to reduce nor elevate any one gender, race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. It came down to two very different, imperfect people who applied for the job, and I made what I felt was the most fair decision about my vote considering what I believe to be the job description and qualifications necessary for success - for my country. And I considered both candidates equally with the same criteria.

While I don't expect you or anyone else to agree with me or my choice, I truly hope that by sharing all of that, my perspective, that you now at least better understand why and how a woman could vote for Trump.

 

[AnnaH]

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Well said, Jenn.

 

[arkieb1]

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JoCoJenn - I'm really trying to understand your point of view, you state you are not a racist and the main reason that you voted the way you did was because of the issue of security? In your own words; JoCoJenn "And it DOES just so happen to be my belief that - as a country - if we lack national security, everything else we enjoy in terms of "rights", "equality", etc. is at risk, so it IS my #1 priority when it comes to my vote."

So are Trump's actions and election promises making you feel more secure? And secure against what? The threat of terrorism? Secure against Mexicans stealing American jobs? I 100% believe Trumps current actions are making each and every American citizen less safe from Islam fundamentalists not more safe, but I'm interested to read you POV, even if I don't agree with it.

 

[monarch64]

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JoCoJenn - I'm really trying to understand your point of view, you state you are not a racist and the main reason that you voted the way you did was because of the issue of security? In your own words; JoCoJenn "And it DOES just so happen to be my belief that - as a country - if we lack national security, everything else we enjoy in terms of "rights", "equality", etc. is at risk, so it IS my #1 priority when it comes to my vote."

So are Trump's actions and election promises making you feel more secure? And secure against what? The threat of terrorism? Secure against Mexicans stealing American jobs? I 100% believe Trumps current actions are making each and every American citizen less safe from Islam fundamentalists not more safe, but I'm interested to read you POV, even if I don't agree with it.

+1

Also, if I had to go through that amount of effort and verbal gymnastics to explain and rationalize why I voted the way I did, I'd probably start questioning my own sanity. JoCo, that is not a personal dig at you, just an observation as I have seen similar lengthy explanations re same issues.

 

[the_mother_thing]

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JoCoJenn - I'm really trying to understand your point of view, you state you are not a racist and the main reason that you voted the way you did was because of the issue of security? In your own words; JoCoJenn "And it DOES just so happen to be my belief that - as a country - if we lack national security, everything else we enjoy in terms of "rights", "equality", etc. is at risk, so it IS my #1 priority when it comes to my vote."

So are Trump's actions and election promises making you feel more secure? And secure against what? The threat of terrorism? Secure against Mexicans stealing American jobs? I 100% believe Trumps current actions are making each and every American citizen less safe from Islam fundamentalists not more safe, but I'm interested to read you POV, even if I don't agree with it.

Arkie - Thank you (sincerely) for asking me to elaborate vs. casting blanket judgments as some others have; I do appreciate that.

In this election, I voted for the platform; not the person/personality ... it's not a popularity contest, but I felt both Chump & Clinton were jerks who didn't earn nor deserve my respect as 'people' - one couldn't even properly pour a beer and the other should be wearing one or more. I chose the party/platform that most closely aligned with my own beliefs, experiences, etc., and that is more conservative/Republican (obviously) than liberal. That said, I do have some more 'centric' views than 'ultra' conservatives such as being pro-choice. I find it amusing, however, the never-ending allegations by liberals (and assumptions by some foreigners) that all/most conservatives are racists, considering it was Democratic party that fought against the Civil Rights Act, and Republicans fought to end slavery. But I digress ... yes, I am anti-discrimination, for equal rights with no gender, orientation or religious modifier, in all areas of our constitution ... and for all of our citizens.

On to your questions:

- Am I feeling 'more secure'? Today? Of course not, it's been <2 weeks ... you don't score a touchdown without getting a series of first downs, or at the very least, throwing a hail Mary (football lingo, not religion); I'll get a better sense following the first quarter, possibly half-tme. I'm not thrilled with Chump's 'how' (his implementation of the strategy), and I don't always like or agree with his verbiage choices; but I am in agreement with the 'what' as part of the broader National Security strategy which always is my top priority, albeit slightly varying levels of 'significance' depending on the state of affairs. I'm sorry others feel they are 'suffering', but I and many others made it through eight years of worrying about this country, its direction, feeling ignored or marginalized, questioning if our leadership mistook the constitution for toilet paper; so, I'm confident others will make it, too.

- Secure against what? Yes, terrorism, but also the current global & domestic economic environments, our nation's debt, unemployment, weakened relations with our allies, and worse 'relations' with our enemies. NatSec - to me - is not one dimensional (e.g., terrorism). There's also border/cyber/information security, Defense, Intel, foreign relations, economic relations, etc., and each of those is also multi-dimensional. Any one of these things bearing weakness can lead to detrimental outcomes for our country; I happen to think these are all in desperate need of repair, especially if we're to continue helping others. Greece is an economic example of where I think we are heading if we don't get our collective stuff together, though I suspect a stronger likelihood our new language would be either Farsi, Ukranian, Chinese, or Korean. And no, I'm not afraid of "Mexicans stealing Americans' jobs"; I'm concerned about the vast numbers of people in this country already who are unemployed, hungry and homeless, and it's my view we (community & government) should largely care for our own citizens at least as good as and before we do non-citizens. That doesn't make me a xenophobe; it means I care about 'my neighbor', and expect my government to manage to a budget like the rest of us, and thus 'know when to say way'; not keeping the gates open and cash flowing to the point that my great grandkids would likely never see a balanced budget or 'reasonable' debt limit.

Do I *think* Chump can fix it all? Of course not, but his opponent would have continued the path we were on (over a cliff), and clearly that is in stark contrast to where I (and approximately half this country) felt we needed to go ... so much so that we (including a LOT of women) elected the loud/foul-mouthed, poor etiquette 'perv' from N.Y. (who was NOT under FBI investigation nor criminally charged with/found guilty of sex assault) over the undeniably very historic first woman Presidential candidate from a major political party (who herself as well as her charitable foundation WAS under FBI investigation). Does that make me happy to type? Absolutely not. Can I lay my head on the pillow every night, and know - in my gut - that I made what I felt to be the best decision for my country (and not myself or my anatomy)? Yes. I would never place anyone else's life in a position I myself would not willingly go first, and there was NO way I could or would have trusted Clinton as Commander in Chief of our military men & women, and to date, I've yet to hear a single one of my service brothers/sisters who would.

 

[the_mother_thing]

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Also, if I had to go through that amount of effort and verbal gymnastics to explain and rationalize why I voted the way I did, I'd probably start questioning my own sanity. JoCo, that is not a personal dig at you, just an observation as I have seen similar lengthy explanations re same issues.

Well, at first (many months back) I answered "none of your business", then when pressed, I answered "republican/conservative", then it was "who", then "how" could I (as a woman), and now "why" ... I'm beginning to think there is a sudden swing from the left pushing for reintroduction of enhanced interrogation techniques.

 

[wildcat03]

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Back to the topic of Trump regret: http://usuncut.com/politics/syrian-family-voted-trump/

 

[monarch64]

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Also, if I had to go through that amount of effort and verbal gymnastics to explain and rationalize why I voted the way I did, I'd probably start questioning my own sanity. JoCo, that is not a personal dig at you, just an observation as I have seen similar lengthy explanations re same issues.

Well, at first (many months back) I answered "none of your business", then when pressed, I answered "republican/conservative", then it was "who", then "how" could I (as a woman), and now "why" ... I'm beginning to think there is a sudden swing from the left pushing for reintroduction of enhanced interrogation techniques.

Fair points. At least we can't virtually waterboard you or anything.

 

[the_mother_thing]

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Fair points. At least we can't virtually waterboard you or anything.

I will have a white t-shirt at the ready, just in case.

 

[House Cat]

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JoCoJenn - I'm really trying to understand your point of view, you state you are not a racist and the main reason that you voted the way you did was because of the issue of security? In your own words; JoCoJenn "And it DOES just so happen to be my belief that - as a country - if we lack national security, everything else we enjoy in terms of "rights", "equality", etc. is at risk, so it IS my #1 priority when it comes to my vote."

So are Trump's actions and election promises making you feel more secure? And secure against what? The threat of terrorism? Secure against Mexicans stealing American jobs? I 100% believe Trumps current actions are making each and every American citizen less safe from Islam fundamentalists not more safe, but I'm interested to read you POV, even if I don't agree with it.

Arkie - Thank you (sincerely) for asking me to elaborate vs. casting blanket judgments as some others have; I do appreciate that.

In this election, I voted for the platform; not the person/personality ... it's not a popularity contest, but I felt both Chump & Clinton were jerks who didn't earn nor deserve my respect as 'people' - one couldn't even properly pour a beer and the other should be wearing one or more. I chose the party/platform that most closely aligned with my own beliefs, experiences, etc., and that is more conservative/Republican (obviously) than liberal. That said, I do have some more 'centric' views than 'ultra' conservatives such as being pro-choice. I find it amusing, however, the never-ending allegations by liberals (and assumptions by some foreigners) that all/most conservatives are racists, considering it was Democratic party that fought against the Civil Rights Act, and Republicans fought to end slavery. But I digress ... yes, I am anti-discrimination, for equal rights with no gender, orientation or religious modifier, in all areas of our constitution ... and for all of our citizens.

On to your questions:

- Am I feeling 'more secure'? Today? Of course not, it's been <2 weeks ... you don't score a touchdown without getting a series of first downs, or at the very least, throwing a hail Mary (football lingo, not religion); I'll get a better sense following the first quarter, possibly half-tme. I'm not thrilled with Chump's 'how' (his implementation of the strategy), and I don't always like or agree with his verbiage choices; but I am in agreement with the 'what' as part of the broader National Security strategy which always is my top priority, albeit slightly varying levels of 'significance' depending on the state of affairs. I'm sorry others feel they are 'suffering', but I and many others made it through eight years of worrying about this country, its direction, feeling ignored or marginalized, questioning if our leadership mistook the constitution for toilet paper; so, I'm confident others will make it, too.

- Secure against what? Yes, terrorism, but also the current global & domestic economic environments, our nation's debt, unemployment, weakened relations with our allies, and worse 'relations' with our enemies. NatSec - to me - is not one dimensional (e.g., terrorism). There's also border/cyber/information security, Defense, Intel, foreign relations, economic relations, etc., and each of those is also multi-dimensional. Any one of these things bearing weakness can lead to detrimental outcomes for our country; I happen to think these are all in desperate need of repair, especially if we're to continue helping others. Greece is an economic example of where I think we are heading if we don't get our collective stuff together, though I suspect a stronger likelihood our new language would be either Farsi, Ukranian, Chinese, or Korean. And no, I'm not afraid of "Mexicans stealing Americans' jobs"; I'm concerned about the vast numbers of people in this country already who are unemployed, hungry and homeless, and it's my view we (community & government) should largely care for our own citizens at least as good as and before we do non-citizens. That doesn't make me a xenophobe; it means I care about 'my neighbor', and expect my government to manage to a budget like the rest of us, and thus 'know when to say way'; not keeping the gates open and cash flowing to the point that my great grandkids would likely never see a balanced budget or 'reasonable' debt limit.

Do I *think* Chump can fix it all? Of course not, but his opponent would have continued the path we were on (over a cliff), and clearly that is in stark contrast to where I (and approximately half this country) felt we needed to go ... so much so that we (including a LOT of women) elected the loud/foul-mouthed, poor etiquette 'perv' from N.Y. (who was NOT under FBI investigation nor criminally charged with/found guilty of sex assault) over the undeniably very historic first woman Presidential candidate from a major political party (who herself as well as her charitable foundation WAS under FBI investigation). Does that make me happy to type? Absolutely not. Can I lay my head on the pillow every night, and know - in my gut - that I made what I felt to be the best decision for my country (and not myself or my anatomy)? Yes. I would never place anyone else's life in a position I myself would not willingly go first, and there was NO way I could or would have trusted Clinton as Commander in Chief of our military men & women, and to date, I've yet to hear a single one of my service brothers/sisters who would.

Jenn,

Many conservatives have a misguided belief about the Republicans fighting to end slavery. When they did this, their core values were very much like the Democratic Party. So while they were the Republican Party by name, they were not the Republican Party that you know and love today in values or beliefs. The parties have switched platforms many times throughout history.....

To use that bit of history to support the fact that your party isn't racist is inaccurate. If those people were alive today, they would most likely be Liberals.

 

[monarch64]

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Fair points. At least we can't virtually waterboard you or anything.

I will have a white t-shirt at the ready, just in case.

HA!

 

[the_mother_thing]

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Many conservatives have a misguided belief about the Republicans fighting to end slavery. When they did this, their core values were very much like the Democratic Party. So while they were the Republican Party by name, they were not the Republican Party that you know and love today in values or beliefs. The parties have switched platforms many times throughout history.....

To use that bit of history to support the fact that your party isn't racist is inaccurate. If those people were alive today, they would most likely be Liberals.

You are correct, House Cat, that our two parties have historically seen a back & forth mix of views that are counter to what both of these parties 'represent' today; and that fact further supports my position that the blanket assertions about racism are false.

A large reason that assertion frustrates those cast unfairly/unjustifiably as racist/discriminatory/etc. is because the biggest 'offenders' of this behavior are usually those who (ironically) advocate ending assumption-based stereotypes based on beliefs.

Believing in conservative principles and/or casting a vote does not (in & of itself) make one a racist any more than me wearing a stethoscope around my neck makes me a physician.

 

[bunnycat]

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Many conservatives have a misguided belief about the Republicans fighting to end slavery. When they did this, their core values were very much like the Democratic Party. So while they were the Republican Party by name, they were not the Republican Party that you know and love today in values or beliefs. The parties have switched platforms many times throughout history.....

To use that bit of history to support the fact that your party isn't racist is inaccurate. If those people were alive today, they would most likely be Liberals.

You are correct, House Cat, that our two parties have historically seen a back & forth mix of views that are counter to what both of these parties 'represent' today; and that fact further supports my position that the blanket assertions about racism are false.

A large reason that assertion frustrates those cast unfairly/unjustifiably as racist/discriminatory/etc. is because the biggest 'offenders' of this behavior are usually those who (ironically) advocate ending assumption-based stereotypes based on beliefs.

Believing in conservative principles and/or casting a vote does not (in & of itself) make one a racist any more than me wearing a stethoscope around my neck makes me a physician.

First- let me say that I have family members who lean conservative (and did not vote for T) and who are by no means racist. I agree that blanket statements on either side are not correct.

On the other hand, you assertion just doesn't follow logically....

If your position is that blanket assertions are are false, and then you use an assertion (like republicans ended slavery) knowing that the term "republican" as meant then was not the same as meant now, many people will infer that it does (because they are unaware) and so draw a conclusion that your reasoning must be true. I say that is not the case.

Let me put it this way.

=> In logic class... if statement A is true and also statement B, it is NOT a logical conclusion that A causes B... They may both be independently true but one does not necessarily cause the other. In logic shorthand. A=True, B= True A=>B is not true. <=

This is why I do not believe you can assert that blanket statements are false BECAUSE of the switch in policy platforms. It is not a logical inference, even though I believe both statements are true separately.

 

[E B]

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I don't know where else to post this, so it goes here- but you have to read it. Trump's remarks at a Black History Month gathering this morning. Scroll down one for the full.

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/826819885183406084

I honestly don't know how anyone can listen to what comes out of his mouth on a daily basis and not feel embarrassed for all of us. We feel it because he, apparently, cannot.