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Troll Farms, Trump and Your Internet Life

iLander

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We recently had a very active troll here, and I grew increasingly suspicious of her. Near-constant postings, rude remarks, bombastic and aggressive in the extreme. At one point I told her I thought she was a Russian troll, only half-believing it myself. As she went on, many of us stopped posting here and went to other forums or venues.

But then I read this old article in the NYTimes (from 2015!) and my suspicion is not as crazy as it seems. The article is about the Russian troll farm work within their own country, but according to our intelligence they used their propaganda machine against us during the election. Article is fascinating with interviews of troll farm employees and examples of how it all works, and how it used in the US even before the election.
Full article: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html?_r=0
Excerpts:

One Russian newspaper put the number of employees at 400, with a budget of at least 20 million rubles (roughly $400,000) a month. During her time in the organization, there were many departments, creating content for every popular social network: LiveJournal, which remains popular in Russia; VKontakte, Russia’s homegrown version of Facebook; Facebook; Twitter; Instagram; and the comment sections of Russian news outlets. One employee estimated the operation filled 40 rooms.

Also, by working every day to spread Kremlin propaganda, the paid trolls have made it impossible for the normal Internet user to separate truth from fiction.

The point is to spoil it, to create the atmosphere of hate, to make it so stinky that normal people won’t want to touch it,” Volkov said, when we met in the office of Navalny’s Anti-Corruption Foundation. “You have to remember the Internet population of Russia is just over 50 percent. The rest are yet to join, and when they join it’s very important what is their first impression.” The Internet still remains the one medium where the opposition can reliably get its message out. But their message is now surrounded by so much garbage from trolls that readers can become resistant before the message even gets to them.


PS is an extremely large forum, do not believe for one minute that it is "too small" to attract the attention of a troll farm. My point is not to attack a single member, it is to make everyone suspicious of aggressive interactions on the internet. Interactions that are so rude, so painful, that they make you want to walk away. These could be the work of a paid professional.

BE SKEPTICAL. For me it's a reflex, I think everyone needs to learn it.
 
Skepticism is always a good thing. I tend to believe the trolls here are simply bored men and women who probably no one ever listens to in their offline life.
 
Starve a troll and it will go away. Feed a troll and it will poop in your house forever.
 
Interesting.
I had no idea there were organized trolls or what they were up to.
I thought they were all just individuals.

Once when I was on a time out for an issue not related to her our troll accused me of attacking her.
Her poor-me sob story was so good she even got support from some posters.
I had merely disagreed with her and posted my reasoning.
I didn't get personal.

That she waited till I was muzzled (long after her attack claim) and couldn't respond ... grrrr.
I was bothered by her effort to get people to think less of me.
I try to employ that saying, "What others think of me is none of my business." but I ain't there yet.

As she gradually dug her own grave here I confess to a bit of satisfaction at how she discredited herself.

Anyway, if she works for such an organization, screw her.
If not, I hope she experiences personal growth and becomes a less angry and more happy person; I'd welcome her back.
 
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This is awful. :nono:
 
I do think there have been farmer trolls here, maybe even still. They dont have to be russian to be farmed trolls, they can come from anywhere, even from USA. The reality is there will be more of them.
 
Kenny, I want you to know that I think you were concerned for nothing. I remember the time you are talking about. We all love you here. Nothing another poster says will change that.

I don't get upset if someone posts a post that seems a little testy. We are on the internet and have no idea what is going on in someone's real life. Lets face it, life can really be hard at times. I know I was the furthest thing from a joy to be around last year for a few months. I was dealing with some real heavy stuf at that time.

As far as a Russian troll I believe just about anything these days. My husband and I were targeted by Russian Hackers a few years ago and it was a nightmare.
 
Thanks Calli.
I don't mind when someone judges me to be a butthead when I AM being a butthead ... at times I certainly can be.
I just resent when someone twists my words with clear intent to squish me down.

BTW, I feel a bit bad (just a bit) about my post here in that I'm sort of doing what she did.
IMO the difference is, I'm posting what's true instead of making up stuff. :whistle:

And I have not noticed anything unpleasant about your posts recently, and hope the life-weather clears up for you.
 
Kenny, you're about as much of a troll as I am.... which is to say not at all. We're all buttheads sometimes, that's a part of the human condition, not an exclusive kennyism.;)

I personally won't call someone a troll unless I know for sure. But I do tend to keep any engagement of these types from minimum to not at all.
 
Kenny, You definitely aren't making stuff up. I think many here felt very much they way you did. I did ask the poster if everything was okay with her family as I really thought something might have been going on that was really upsetting her. She seemed mad that I asked her when the reality was I was concerned for her. I was hoping if something was going on in her life that we could be a good support system for her. Thru the years I learned the kindness of others is sometimes what gets us thru the hard times. Sometimes it's easier to talk to people who aren't directly involved in a situation. I have been a little concerned because she hasn't been back here in a while.

I know I probably owe Dancing Fire an apology or two, or maybe even three. I try not to answer hi s posts after speaking with dad. There are days I swear Dancing Fire is really my father. Dancing Fire are you sure you aren't really an Irishman???

Dancing Fire, I'm sorry if I ever get too testy in my replys to you. Feel free to tell me I am being too harsh and I promise to be nicer.

Arcadian is correct, we can all be buttheads from time to time,
 
LOL Callie. DF says all the time he has a thick skin and nothing bothers him. I think that's true or he wouldn't have stuck around all these years without pouting. He reminds me a lot of my father, too, and he knows that. Like you, I don't talk about politics with my dad at all. He has a way of doing things that made him successful and a good provider for his family, and I respect that. It's not how I live my life, and maybe I'll never be very wealthy, but I can sleep at night.

Kenny, I hear you on what happened. Someone made a shitty comment about me when I was on a timeout and that's fine. It bugged me that they did it when I had no way to defend myself, but c'est la vie. Now that the antagonizer is gone, I see nothing wrong with discussing the damage she did to the community. I was guilty of participating in some of her nonsense, but I could also sense that she was being given enough rope with which to hang herself, and that's exactly how it played out. And wow, was that the ultimate troll...13 years on the site and waited til the past year to serve up all that drama? That takes patience or dementia.

iLander, thanks for posting. I think a lot of people aren't who they say they are online and that's been going on for decades. My company has been hacked by Russian bots 3 times in the past year. The last time almost put us out of business. It's a situation where we have to deal with the FBI and prove that WE did not hack ourselves and all the sites we work with. Totally nuts,and it's not just us, a small outfit. It's everyone in the industry dealing with fending off attacks nonstop. These aren't people or troll farms, the attacks come from software aimed at disabling servers. But (surprise!) same country of origin.
 
I don't believe she was a Russian troll, and have always thought that there is something in her situation at home that makes people like this vent their frustrations in life on people they don't know so they feel like they have some form of power.
 
I almost think it would be better if she is a Russian Troll. My instinct says she isn't. I think she is a person in an incredible amount of pain.
 
I feel like this is topic is going to get one of us warned. How do we know she is actually gone, and is not just on a time out? That's the only thing I've been wondering. It has seemed calmer here these last 2 weeks.
 
House Cat, I 100% agree. All I could read was pain and anger.
 
I think she is a person in an incredible amount of pain.

Clearly.

... it may help explain her posts, but it does not excuse them.
 
I think I should explain some more :wavey:

I don't fully believe she was a Russian troll.
:)But I will be wary of similar conversations in the future. Because, according to the article, you never know.;)

What I am really doing is using her as an example of tactics similar to those of the troll farms. Her activities were very similar, please read the NYTimes article.

The goal of the Russian trolls is to break the dialogue, to keep people from getting their point across, to derail conversations, to shift the popular opinion and to shut down those that dissent from the Russian goal. They remove or discredit key posters, they do anything and everything to keep the opposing view from gaining popularity and traction. It just happens that she is a good reference point to help people understand the article in a real life experience.

So, this is just new information to add to your toolbox,
along with Russians planting fake news. Remember Hillary participating in a child pornography ring? That was a Russian bit of fake news which some (plastic bag warning needed) people believed, and it went all over facebook. :wall:

She may just be a person who desperately wants any kind of attention, even negative attention. Getting attention, controlling the dialogue, running the show, dominating all those around them, that's usually how internet trolls are defined.

I'm just saying, "Hey. Let's be careful out there." Point for whomever know what TV show that's from. :appl:I'm sure this post is full of typos, I'm tired.
 
Hill Street Blues. Now I really feel old ILander!!!
 
I know I probably owe Dancing Fire an apology or two, or maybe even three. I try not to answer hi s posts after speaking with dad. There are days I swear Dancing Fire is really my father. Dancing Fire are you sure you aren't really an Irishman???

Dancing Fire, I'm sorry if I ever get too testy in my replys to you. Feel free to tell me I am being too harsh and I promise to be nicer.
CC , Don't be ridiculous. you don't owe me any apologies. Politically we'll never see eye to eye but I still love every single PSer liberals here. I'd have thick skins,:praise: nothing you say would bother me, so...SOCK IT TO ME BABY!!..:P

Your dad sound like an interesting person. Daddy knows best...;) How old is your dad?
 
LOL Callie. DF says all the time he has a thick skin and nothing bothers him. I think that's true or he wouldn't have stuck around all these years without pouting. He reminds me a lot of my father, too, and he knows that. Like you, I don't talk about politics with my dad at all. He has a way of doing things that made him successful and a good provider for his family, and I respect that. It's not how I live my life, and maybe I'll never be very wealthy, but I can sleep at night.
You and CC make me feel very old...
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Thanks for posting this iLander. I didn't know any of this troll info.

As for the conjecture on who and who may not be a troll I have no clue. But I agree with those who say don't feed the troll as that will just keep the trolls coming back for more.

I can say for sure I know none of the posters above are trolls and also I can say with complete sincerity I care about each one of you including Kenny and Dancing Fire.

And I also agree with you Housecat about a certain poster who seems like she was in a lot of pain and that might have been the source of her unhappy posts. I do feel for her if that is the case. However as Kenny points out that might explain the posts but it doesn't excuse the posts. Though I do feel for her and anyone who lashes out that way. And as Arcadian points out none of us are immune to behaving badly at times. I for one am GUILTY as charged. None of us perfect human beings. It's an oxymoron.
 
Accusing is dangerous. Paranoia is rampant. And I really don't know why Trumps name is in the subject heading.

Keep calm and carry on.
 
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CC , Don't be ridiculous. you don't owe me any apologies. Politically we'll never see eye to eye but I still love every single PSer liberals here. I'd have thick skins,:praise: nothing you say would bother me, so...SOCK IT TO ME BABY!!..:P

Your dad sound like an interesting person. Daddy knows best...;) How old is your dad?

Dancing Fire, My dad is close to eighty. You and I are very close in age so I know you aren't really him. There are days he will call and talk politics for an hour and I will hang up the phone and you will have just posted the exact same things he has said word for word. I try not to discuss politics with my dad but I have to admit there are days I fail miserably at changing the subject.

Thank you for saying I don't need to apologize and for having a tough skin. I will try to be kinder when I feel myself disagreeing with your point of view. I'm sure you know I love having you be part of this community.
 
Dancing Fire, My dad is close to eighty. You and I are very close in age so I know you aren't really him. There are days he will call and talk politics for an hour and I will hang up the phone and you will have just posted the exact same things he has said word for word. I try not to discuss politics with my dad but I have to admit there are days I fail miserably at changing the subject.
Your dad and I would get along very well!...
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Is it sad that I've been finding it a little quiet around here these days?
 
No cmd, I also think it's been quite here. Especially when you compare it to a few years back. If you left for a day there would be two pages of new threads that you missed out on.
 
I think the person was not happy, this is all.
There are Russian trolls, but for some reason, I have never seen anyone on this forum that would even slightly resemble one. I have met them on other forums.
However, several days ago Macedonian trolls had a day on Facebook. I think it was the next day after Comey was fired.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bu...nia-became-a-global-hub-for-pro-trump-misinfo

I think people do not understand one thing. An immigrant from the former SU living in the US, most likely, is not a Russian troll, but I take 90% chance that the person is conservative. How their kids turn out varies, much depends on the area in the US that they used to live in as teenagers.
 
Paid trolls supporting the Chinese govt/communist party are everywhere on the Internet sites. They're known as the 'wu mao' (50 cent) party, for the supposed amount they earn per post. One estimate a while back was that there could be 300,000 paid Chinese trolls. They mostly frequent Chinese language sites but also English and other sites too.
 
[QUOTE="mochiko42, post: 4164679, member: 72764"]Paid trolls supporting the Chinese govt/communist party are everywhere on the Internet sites. They're known as the 'wu mao' (50 cent) party, for the supposed amount they earn per post. One estimate a while back was that there could be 300,000 paid Chinese trolls. They mostly frequent Chinese language sites but also English and other sites too.[/QUOTE]

Thank you mochiko for telling us this. I'm shocked. Your comment adds credibility to the article above.

I think sometimes people are naive at about how much government manipulation and propoganda goes on in this world. I worry for our now, but I also worry for our world 50 years from now. :sick:
 
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