Things Are Not What They Seem!

[AGBF]

Everybody had better wait a minute before he heads out the door this morning. Things are not what they seem. Yesterday you may have thought that the president's nominee for The Supreme Court, Neil Gorsuch, said he was disheartened by the president's remarks about the federal bench. But read today's headine! This was in, "The New York Times".

"WASHINGTON — White House officials insisted on Thursday that Judge Neil M. Gorsuch, President Trump’s Supreme Court nominee, was not referring to Mr. Trump’s recent denigration of judges when he said privately that he was disheartened by attacks on the courts."

This goes to show that one never knows what the actual facts are until Mr. Trump tells you what they are. Better read the article to fine out the real facts.

Link...https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/09/us/politics/neil-gorsuch-supreme-court.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

AGBF

 

[House Cat]

This administrations public "interpretations" of the facts are becoming creepy.

Anyone who isn't extremely disturbed by their attempts to twist the truth needs to read about other despotic leader's propaganda campaigns. This is how it all begins.

People shouldn't roll their eyes. This administration has lied to us too many times already, within the span of a few weeks. This is unforgivable.

 

[Missy]

This administrations public "interpretations" of the facts are becoming creepy.

Anyone who isn't extremely disturbed by their attempts to twist the truth needs to read about other despotic leader's propaganda campaigns. This is how it all begins.

People shouldn't roll their eyes. This administration has lied to us too many times already, within the span of a few weeks. This is unforgivable.

Yes, so scary. And my dh informed me last night (and I still cannot believe this) that they no longer teach history in school but instead a "whitewashed" version of it so as not to offend anyone. Whaaat????? I sure hope this isn't true. If we don't teach things as they happened we are bound to repeat history.

 

[chrono]

The rate of descent of the greatness of America increases.

 

[the_mother_thing]

And my dh informed me last night (and I still cannot believe this) that they no longer teach history in school but instead a "whitewashed" version of it so as not to offend anyone.

My DD said this as well ... that there was very little actual U.S. history taught in any of her 'history' classes. It was largely focused on other country's histories and their influences in/on America ... more 'cultural' than actual 'historical'. Not that there isn't value in that, but how the heck can kids appreciate where we are today and learn from history if they aren't taught about it - ugly truths & all? So
I supplemented where the schools fell short in this area by covering with her what they found too 'offensive' for the classroom.

 

[ksinger]

And my dh informed me last night (and I still cannot believe this) that they no longer teach history in school but instead a "whitewashed" version of it so as not to offend anyone.

My DD said this as well ... that there was very little actual U.S. history taught in any of her 'history' classes. It was largely focused on other country's histories and their influences in/on America ... more 'cultural' than actual 'historical'. Not that there isn't value in that, but how the heck can kids appreciate where we are today and learn from history if they aren't taught about it - ugly truths & all? So
I supplemented where the schools fell short in this area by covering with her what they found too 'offensive' for the classroom.

So what exactly, in your opinion, is being short-changed or deliberately omitted in history classes at the high school level? College?

What supplements did you provide?

 

[OreoRosies86]

So whitewashing our nation's most shameful chapters in school is bad, but teachers who start conversations with students about the things happening to black citizens in our country circa now is considered a distraction worthy of a lawsuit.

Teachers can't win.

 

[E B]

This administrations public "interpretations" of the facts are becoming creepy.

Anyone who isn't extremely disturbed by their attempts to twist the truth needs to read about other despotic leader's propaganda campaigns. This is how it all begins.

People shouldn't roll their eyes. This administration has lied to us too many times already, within the span of a few weeks. This is unforgivable.

Did you see this new polling?

 

[the_mother_thing]

So what exactly, in your opinion, is being short-changed or deliberately omitted in history classes at the high school level? College?

What supplements did you provide?

In her history classes, they didn't go into much depth at all on the constitution/bill of rights, significant occurrences or major events in US history, formation of government, wars/conflicts that were fought and why, etc. I also monitored her homework, tests/quizzes, etc. to see what kinds of questions they were asking, and it was sad. So we watched documentaries, read books & credible/factual sources online, and when there were differences in the portrayal of history, talked about them, etc., and where possible related them to current events. It wasn't 'formal' per se; I just felt it was important that she get more exposure than what the school was willing to offer.

ETA: this was middle & high school; she hasn't started college yet; will be this coming fall.

 

[E B]

Oh, and:

 

[E B]

So whitewashing our nation's most shameful chapters in school is bad, but teachers who start conversations with students about the things happening to black citizens in our country circa now is considered a distraction worthy of a lawsuit.

Teachers can't win.

This was all released today, btw.

 

[OreoRosies86]

Oh, and:

Nonononononono

 

[Calliecake]

This administrations public "interpretations" of the facts are becoming creepy.

Anyone who isn't extremely disturbed by their attempts to twist the truth needs to read about other despotic leader's propaganda campaigns. This is how it all begins.

People shouldn't roll their eyes. This administration has lied to us too many times already, within the span of a few weeks. This is unforgivable.

Yes, so scary. And my dh informed me last night (and I still cannot believe this) that they no longer teach history in school but instead a "whitewashed" version of it so as not to offend anyone. Whaaat????? I sure hope this isn't true. If we don't teach things as they happened we are bound to repeat history.

This is unbelievable. I can't wait to tell my husband this. I feel so bad for teachers today.

 

[AGBF]

EB-


Do you disagree?

 

[E B]

EB-



Do you disagree?

With what?

 

[AGBF]

EB-



Do you disagree?

With what?

Sorry. I just amended my post above.

 

[the_mother_thing]

I do love Watters' interviews but man do I fear these kids voting!

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/02/09/watters-world-confronts-students-who-walked-out-class-protest-trump-travel-ban

 

[E B]

Sorry. I just amended my post above.

I'm a little confused, but yes- I do disagree.

 

[momhappy]

This administrations public "interpretations" of the facts are becoming creepy.

Anyone who isn't extremely disturbed by their attempts to twist the truth needs to read about other despotic leader's propaganda campaigns. This is how it all begins.

People shouldn't roll their eyes. This administration has lied to us too many times already, within the span of a few weeks. This is unforgivable.

Yes, so scary. And my dh informed me last night (and I still cannot believe this) that they no longer teach history in school but instead a "whitewashed" version of it so as not to offend anyone. Whaaat????? I sure hope this isn't true. If we don't teach things as they happened we are bound to repeat history.

Hhmmmm... not what I'm seeing at my kids' schools, but every school district is different.

 

[ksinger]

This administrations public "interpretations" of the facts are becoming creepy.

Anyone who isn't extremely disturbed by their attempts to twist the truth needs to read about other despotic leader's propaganda campaigns. This is how it all begins.

People shouldn't roll their eyes. This administration has lied to us too many times already, within the span of a few weeks. This is unforgivable.

Yes, so scary. And my dh informed me last night (and I still cannot believe this) that they no longer teach history in school but instead a "whitewashed" version of it so as not to offend anyone. Whaaat????? I sure hope this isn't true. If we don't teach things as they happened we are bound to repeat history.

This is unbelievable. I can't wait to tell my husband this. I feel so bad for teachers today.

Trust me, I feel bad for teachers too, just not for the same reasons as most of you.

It's unbelievable because it's pretty much not true, so don't bother to rush to tell your husband the dreadful news.

There is no subject that is more of a contentious political football, than history. Period. All you have to do is watch the battles in the Texas history textbook wars to understand how this goes.

I wish I could just record my husband and put him on here, when he goes into teaching mode (even with me) and starts in on the minutiae of our state's history standards, and a bunch of other stuff from his 20+ years of teaching high school government, American, and World History. I don't have the ability to write it down verbatim and it gets into the weeds quickly, but the point I would be going for, would be that the public's perception of what is being taught (or not taught and why) is colored by this idea of who is being "offended" at the moment. Uh, NO. Most districts and most teachers have no political axe to grind, they're just trying to get all the mandated items in, in the time allotted. The state legislatures getting their fingers in the pie? THAT'S a different story. As I said, political football.

 

[partgypsy]

So what exactly, in your opinion, is being short-changed or deliberately omitted in history classes at the high school level? College?

What supplements did you provide?

In her history classes, they didn't go into much depth at all on the constitution/bill of rights, significant occurrences or major events in US history, formation of government, wars/conflicts that were fought and why, etc. I also monitored her homework, tests/quizzes, etc. to see what kinds of questions they were asking, and it was sad. So we watched documentaries, read books & credible/factual sources online, and when there were differences in the portrayal of history, talked about them, etc., and where possible related them to current events. It wasn't 'formal' per se; I just felt it was important that she get more exposure than what the school was willing to offer.

ETA: this was middle & high school; she hasn't started college yet; will be this coming fall.

I went to a college prep HS, and they covered a lot of US history, especially early American history (the teacher's specialty) to the extent it just became a mush of memorizing names and dates to me with not much context. Well at least that's my excuse why I can't recall much now . I did end up taking a sociology course in college that went into a few events for a longer period. That made more sense to me, but of course covered a lot less material. Probably hard to strike a great balance.

 

[the_mother_thing]

I went to a college prep HS, and they covered a lot of US history, especially early American history (the teacher's specialty) to the extent it just became a mush of memorizing names and dates to me with not much context. Well at least that's my excuse why I can't recall much now . I did end up taking a sociology course in college that went into a few events for a longer period. That made more sense to me, but of course covered a lot less material. Probably hard to strike a great balance.

I don't disagree; I just feel like American History should have as much or more 'weight' in the curriculum; in her case, it didn't. So I filled in where I felt the schools missed. And I'm glad I did because she has a much better understanding of our nation's history, how our government operates, why things are the way they are, etc. And we have a lot of great conversations about current events (now) as a result, she asks questions, etc. And it's 'rewarding' as a parent to be able to talk with your kid about something other than boys, music, work, make-up, etc., and know you had a hand in developing her appreciation for the 'bigger picture' things.


KSinger: for me, it wasn't about 'being offended'; it was just about being educated.

 

[BeekeeperBetty]

My oldest is in middle school and starting high next year. In 7th they do world cultures, which is generally a history of other countries and in 8th they do US history. It seems pretty comprehensive truthfully, and she has gotten a fairly solid foundation of how the government works and our history. I did find world cultures to be very white washed and happy-happy-joy-joy about other countries. We supplemented her education with books that talked about the other side. I want her to understand that people, governments, and countries are not either all good or all bad, but complicated.

Talking about changing history, when we lived in Texas they removed Thomas Jefferson out of the history books because he wasn't a Christian, and coined the term Separation of Church and State. They skew a lot of their education to reflect Evangelical, Right Wing Christian values. Overall, I found the Texas education my kids got to be bizarre and extremely sub-par. It's not just that the standards are low (which they are) they are taught some stuff that is flat out false, such as their revisionist history of the state of Texas itself.

As for the propaganda coming out of the White House, it is almost exactly out of Goebbels playbook.

 

[the_mother_thing]

This "Public Policy Polling" ... would that be the same "legitimate polling" that Rachel Maddow relied on when she repeatedly & vehemently insisted there was no possible way ever Chump would win the election?

 

[ruby59]

Everybody had better wait a minute before he heads out the door this morning. Things are not what they seem. Yesterday you may have thought that the president's nominee for The Supreme Court, Neil Gorsuch, said he was disheartened by the president's remarks about the federal bench. But read today's headine! This was in, "The New York Times".

"WASHINGTON — White House officials insisted on Thursday that Judge Neil M. Gorsuch, President Trump’s Supreme Court nominee, was not referring to Mr. Trump’s recent denigration of judges when he said privately that he was disheartened by attacks on the courts."

This goes to show that one never knows what the actual facts are until Mr. Trump tells you what they are. Better read the article to fine out the real facts.

Link...https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/09/us/politics/neil-gorsuch-supreme-court.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

AGBF

Like this is the first time someone speaks out, and either he or those around him spins it into a better light?

I understand there are problems with this administration but some of you are just knit picking.

 

[E B]

This "Public Policy Polling" ... would that be the same "legitimate polling" that Rachel Maddow relied on when she repeatedly & vehemently insisted there was no possible way ever Chump would win the election?

Actually, yes, they're considered pretty reputable. Remember, the national polls ended up being pretty close to predicted- Hillary DID win nationally. It was the undecideds that went for Trump last minute in the few key states that ended up being the surprise factor.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

 

[the_mother_thing]

This "Public Policy Polling" ... would that be the same "legitimate polling" that Rachel Maddow relied on when she repeatedly & vehemently insisted there was no possible way ever Chump would win the election?

Actually, yes, they're considered pretty reputable. Remember, the national polls ended up being pretty close to predicted- Hillary DID win nationally. It was the undecideds that went for Trump last minute in the few key states that ended up being the surprise factor.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

That's not what I asked.

https://youtu.be/G0pQBy5ufsQ

The polls dems' relied on for 2016 were (in my best Larry David voice) pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty far off.

 

[E B]

The polls dems' relied on for 2016 were (in my best Larry David voice) pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty far off.

LOL! Look at the dumb liberal news anchor being upset about a malignant narcissist sexual abuser winning the presidency! What a snowflake.

Polling isn't perfect, but my point is they weren't THAT far off. It's a lot more complicated than that, factoring in how state polls work.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...mark-on-trump-and-why/?utm_term=.34d234cb31a3

That said, the polls I included in this thread are not predictive, so I'm not really sure where you're going, here.

 

[OreoRosies86]

You keep saying no one thought Trump would win as though he won the popular vote.

 

[ruby59]

You keep saying no one thought Trump would win as though he won the popular vote.

Winning the popular vote alone is not winning the election. So it is a moot point.