The Word Salad Champion Politician ... Palin or Trump?

[kenny]

I consider how well you speak to be a reflection of how well you think.
There is the supported, and the unsupported.
There is order, and there is chaos.

More and more, Trump is reminding me of Palin.
IYO, which is the champion politician of word-salad?

What is word salad, you ask ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_salad
Word salad is a "confused or unintelligible mixture of seemingly random words and phrases", most often used to describe a symptom of a neurological or mental disorder.
The words may or may not be grammatically correct, but are semantically confused to the point that the listener cannot extract any meaning from them.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/word-salad
Word Salad describes the disordered speech of the mentally ill—but now it's also being used to describe political speeches

Word salad began as a term used in psychiatry to describe the nonsensical syntax of the mentally ill. Originally used by German-speaking and French psychiatrists, it came to English as a loan translation, or calque (from the French word meaning “tracing”—when a phrase from one language is translated into another). Word salad is defined as “a jumble of extremely incoherent speech as sometimes observed in schizophrenia,” and has been used of patients suffering from other kinds of dementia, such as Alzheimer’s.

 

[katharath]

This is something I've thought about for awhile.

I actually think Palin is probably worse. That said, Trump sounds flat. out. stupid.

 

[the_mother_thing]

Other - Pelosi

https://youtu.be/3SHslTq7LeY

 

[lovedogs]

This is something I've thought about for awhile.

I actually think Palin is probably worse. That said, Trump sounds flat. out. stupid.

I also lean towards Palin, but it's becoming a close call lately. He's just becoming more unstable and his rants are even harder to follow. So it's close, but for now I still think she beats him in the word salad Dept.

 

[katharath]

From last August, I believe.

"Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes,
OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart
—you know, if you're a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if,
like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the
smartest people anywhere in the world—it's true!—but when you're a
conservative Republican they try—oh, do they do a number—that's
why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went
there, went there, did this, built a fortune—you know I have to give my
like credentials all the time, because we're a little disadvantaged—but
you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would
have been so easy, and it's not as important as these lives are (nuclear
is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the
power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of
what's going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?),
but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners—now it
used to be three, now it's four—but when it was three and even now, I
would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because,
you know, they don't, they haven't figured that the women are smarter
right now than the men, so, you know, it's gonna take them about
another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us."

Now watch the vid for extra enjoyment:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4546796/donald-trump-sentence

 

[katharath]

This is something I've thought about for awhile.

I actually think Palin is probably worse. That said, Trump sounds flat. out. stupid.

I also lean towards Palin, but it's becoming a close call lately. He's just becoming more unstable and his rants are even harder to follow. So it's close, but for now I still think she beats him in the word salad Dept.

Yes, this is where I'm at too.

 

[kenny]

This is something I've thought about for awhile.

I actually think Palin is probably worse. That said, Trump sounds flat. out. stupid.

Well I also voted for Palin. (fer this poll NOT in an election!!!!! )
But IMO Palin is just bat-shit stoopid, while Trump is just bat-shit crazy.

 

[monarch64]

They both sound like the doddering old drunk at the bar.

 

[jordyonbass]

I have always thought of 'word salad' as being when someone is using excessive, hyperbolic and unneccessary language that makes people's eyes glaze over. I am not sure either of them have the range of vocabulary to meet my definition of 'word salad' to be honest.

That kind of disjointed speech in some cases is someone who is unable to express what they are trying to say; I knew a guy when I was at school who had trouble talking to people because his brain was so brilliant that he couldn't keep up. You could see his brain was ticking over at the speed of light but his mouth just couldn't keep up with his brain and what would come out is a mess of words along with his personal frustration being very evident. I know that I get that way sometimes as well, I can get tongue-tied because I have a million things in my head I want to express but my voice stumbles.

 

[kenny]

They both sound like the doddering old drunk at the bar.

HEY Lady! I resemble that remark!

 

[kenny]

... I know that I get that way sometimes as well ...

Have you thought of running for US president?
We could use a new one.

So you play sax?
Do you like interns?
Are you stupid?
Are you allegedly from Kenya?

 

[kenny]

...
Now watch the vid for extra enjoyment:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4546796/donald-trump-sentence

I really tried to watch that video.
But after just a few seconds, I nearly died choking on my vomit.

 

[katharath]

...
Now watch the vid for extra enjoyment:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4546796/donald-trump-sentence

I really tried to watch that video.
But after just a few seconds, I nearly died choking on my vomit.

I agree, the video really is worse than just reading the transcript. I find it extremely hard to watch him. I feel an actual physical reaction of disgust to his face, voice, etc; and I know I'm not alone. It's a reaction he seems to inspire in many people!

 

[kenny]

...
Now watch the vid for extra enjoyment:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4546796/donald-trump-sentence

I really tried to watch that video.
But after just a few seconds, I nearly died choking on my vomit.

I agree, the video really is worse than just reading the transcript. I find it extremely hard to watch him. I feel an actual physical reaction of disgust to his face, voice, etc; and I know I'm not alone. It's a reaction he seems to inspire in many people!

... and I'm sure zillions of Murikans love Cheeto so much they jerk off watching this.

 

[lovedogs]

I have always thought of 'word salad' as being when someone is using excessive, hyperbolic and unneccessary language that makes people's eyes glaze over. I am not sure either of them have the range of vocabulary to meet my definition of 'word salad' to be honest.

That kind of disjointed speech in some cases is someone who is unable to express what they are trying to say; I knew a guy when I was at school who had trouble talking to people because his brain was so brilliant that he couldn't keep up. You could see his brain was ticking over at the speed of light but his mouth just couldn't keep up with his brain and what would come out is a mess of words along with his personal frustration being very evident. I know that I get that way sometimes as well, I can get tongue-tied because I have a million things in my head I want to express but my voice stumbles.

Jordy: It's interesting how words that sometimes come from Psychology get used in other ways in daily speech. What I hear you describing is something I see a lot in very bright individuals diagnosed with ADHD (attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder), and also sometimes what happens when someone is going through a manic episode. Word salad is reserved for the things Kenny described above, where the words honestly sound like nonsense because they associations are loose and jump from one thing to another (typically seen in schizophrenia, but sometimes seen in mania too). To me, the main difference is that with what you are describing, you know that the person is describing something clearly and with reasonable associations, but they are doing so either too quickly for their audience, or doing so with language that isn't fitting for the audience (when my husband talks physics this happens to me a lot haha).

Sorry, my clinical psychology inner nerd is coming out. I love this stuff.

 

[katharath]

...
Now watch the vid for extra enjoyment:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4546796/donald-trump-sentence

I really tried to watch that video.
But after just a few seconds, I nearly died choking on my vomit.

I agree, the video really is worse than just reading the transcript. I find it extremely hard to watch him. I feel an actual physical reaction of disgust to his face, voice, etc; and I know I'm not alone. It's a reaction he seems to inspire in many people!

... and I'm sure zillions of Murikans love Cheeto so much they jerk off watching this.

You're killing me!!

 

[Calliecake]

...
Now watch the vid for extra enjoyment:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4546796/donald-trump-sentence

I really tried to watch that video.
But after just a few seconds, I nearly died choking on my vomit.

I agree, the video really is worse than just reading the transcript. I find it extremely hard to watch him. I feel an actual physical reaction of disgust to his face, voice, etc; and I know I'm not alone. It's a reaction he seems to inspire in many people!

Oh Katharath, You definitely are not alone!

 

[the_mother_thing]

From last August, I believe.

Now watch the vid for extra enjoyment:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4546796/donald-trump-sentence

 

[katharath]

...
Now watch the vid for extra enjoyment:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4546796/donald-trump-sentence

I really tried to watch that video.
But after just a few seconds, I nearly died choking on my vomit.

I agree, the video really is worse than just reading the transcript. I find it extremely hard to watch him. I feel an actual physical reaction of disgust to his face, voice, etc; and I know I'm not alone. It's a reaction he seems to inspire in many people!

Oh Katharath, You definitely are not alone!

Callie, that thought is what keeps me sane these days!!

 

[the_mother_thing]

I'm surprised Chump wasn't compared to Dubya for this poll, as he also had several 'ways with words'.

 

[jordyonbass]

... I know that I get that way sometimes as well ...

Have you thought of running for US president?
We could use a new one.

So you play sax?
Do you like interns?
Are you stupid?
Are you allegedly from Kenya?

Hmmm........

I used to
Not exactly
That's up for debate
I'm from all over this planet, no doubt Kenya is somewhere in there probably

So when do I start? We should make a social media campaign for me to become the next US president, we could call it something like #Aussie2020

 

[jordyonbass]

I have always thought of 'word salad' as being when someone is using excessive, hyperbolic and unneccessary language that makes people's eyes glaze over. I am not sure either of them have the range of vocabulary to meet my definition of 'word salad' to be honest.

That kind of disjointed speech in some cases is someone who is unable to express what they are trying to say; I knew a guy when I was at school who had trouble talking to people because his brain was so brilliant that he couldn't keep up. You could see his brain was ticking over at the speed of light but his mouth just couldn't keep up with his brain and what would come out is a mess of words along with his personal frustration being very evident. I know that I get that way sometimes as well, I can get tongue-tied because I have a million things in my head I want to express but my voice stumbles.

Jordy: It's interesting how words that sometimes come from Psychology get used in other ways in daily speech. What I hear you describing is something I see a lot in very bright individuals diagnosed with ADHD (attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder), and also sometimes what happens when someone is going through a manic episode. Word salad is reserved for the things Kenny described above, where the words honestly sound like nonsense because they associations are loose and jump from one thing to another (typically seen in schizophrenia, but sometimes seen in mania too). To me, the main difference is that with what you are describing, you know that the person is describing something clearly and with reasonable associations, but they are doing so either too quickly for their audience, or doing so with language that isn't fitting for the audience (when my husband talks physics this happens to me a lot haha).

Sorry, my clinical psychology inner nerd is coming out. I love this stuff.

It's funny you mention ADHD as he was diagnosed with that. We did the highest possible English class in high school along with one other student out of the 120+ students in my grade. I was always very engaged while talking to him as you could see he would get flustered at times as he just couldn't express what he was thinking in words. As I mentioned I can be like that at times, my brain also works faster than my mouth can but nothing like my former classmate - it was like his brain was redline while his mouth had the parkbrake on. One of our teachers had a joke with him that brilliance is one step short of insanity, he would laugh but I don't think he understood that she thought of him as possibly the most brilliant mind she had ever come across in her 30 years of teaching.

I made a thread ages ago that I don't keep in contact with anyone I used to go to high school with as it was not a great time of my life, however I do wish I knew what happened to him. He was so brilliant that I kind of have a fear that his mind could have taken over him and literally driven him to hurt himself or possibly even others.

 

[arkieb1]

Palin is an complete idiot, but not mentally ill as per your word salad definition above so my vote goes to Trump, who confesses he doesn't sleep and he seems to rant incoherently, has an inflated level of self-esteem, difficulty maintaining a single focus on one track of thought - all telltale signs of mania.....