Q for all the well educated PSers out there...

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 3/4/2010 10:44:47 AM
Author: sbde
yes! we were forced to write using ink pens in my school because ballpoints were the death of beautiful penmanship according to my teachers.

you think that was tough??

i can still remember my grandfather made me practice writing Chinese with a miniature ink brush,b/c that''s how it was done in the olden days.nowadays,writing Chinese with an ink brush is a lost art.

 

[kama_s]

Date: 3/4/2010 7:38:10 PM
Author: Dancing Fire

what''s amazing to me are the people whom criticize other''s grammers and yet their the ones whom can''t write in cursive.

IMO...

I don''t understand. Writing in print is still a CORRECT form of handwriting. Not as aesthetically pleasing, yes. But still correct. Whereas not following the rules of a language makes it''s usage INCORRECT/WRONG.

I don''t claim to have perfect grammar. Heck, I only moved to North America 8 years ago. But I did want to point out the flaw in your analogy.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 3/4/2010 12:26:19 PM
Author: Pink Tower
I teach my kindergarten class to write in cursive, not print. Most learn how to write in print without being taught.

Upper grades not are so busy teaching for standardized testing that they don''t have the time to tach cursive.

I don''t want to let this fun topic get mean spirited, but I do want to say I''m not totally thrilled with this. Not all kids have the motor skills for this and I know that my sons learning it in 1st grade made everything worse. Some children (especially girls) have a knack for this sort of thing and taking on a 2nd style is not only easy, it''s fun! Other children it causes more confusion and they end up worse for it. I am *positive* that both of my boys would have done better learning printing and having all of that time wasted on cursive devoted to practicing their printing so that they could be legible rather than diversely illegible.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 3/4/2010 4:03:29 PM
Author: oddoneout
I stopped using cursive when people kept complaining they couldn''t read it.

I love the way you worded this answer - literally lol''d.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 3/4/2010 5:50:40 PM
Author: dreamer_dachsie
I think only old fogies care about cursive anymore

At one point in time I bet people complained about how calligraphy was going out the window with the invention of the new fangled pen. And before that it was complaints about no one using illuminated letters in their writing. And before that people complained about the loss of the tablet and the fine art of hitting a chisel with a mallet.

this response too - I love it!

I have to admit this is a little bit of a hot button with me where children are concerned. My poor boys, barely learning printing before d''nealian was thrust upon the, barely learning that when american cursive was pushed, then irish joined letters (which is a little different) and now they''re in typing class starting in 1st grade here in China.

We only need 2. one with a pen and one with a keyboard. JMO. The rest should be optional.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 3/4/2010 8:28:30 PM
Author: Dancing Fire

Date: 3/4/2010 10:44:47 AM

Author: sbde

yes! we were forced to write using ink pens in my school because ballpoints were the death of beautiful penmanship according to my teachers.

you think that was tough??

i can still remember my grandfather made me practice writing Chinese with a miniature ink brush,b/c that''s how it was done in the olden days.nowadays,writing Chinese with an ink brush is a lost art.

I dunno DF - I just did it a couple weeks ago lol

 

[LtlFirecracker]

I can, but it gets real sloppy real fast so I print.

I actually used to to be really good at calligraphy, I am going to re-learn so that I can address my invitations.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 3/4/2010 8:44:11 PM
Author: Cehrabehra

Date: 3/4/2010 8:28:30 PM
Author: Dancing Fire

Date: 3/4/2010 10:44:47 AM

Author: sbde

yes! we were forced to write using ink pens in my school because ballpoints were the death of beautiful penmanship according to my teachers.

you think that was tough??

i can still remember my grandfather made me practice writing Chinese with a miniature ink brush,b/c that''s how it was done in the olden days.nowadays,writing Chinese with an ink brush is a lost art.

I dunno DF - I just did it a couple weeks ago lol

Cehra

WOW!! good for you

people still write with ink brush in China?

 

[AGBF]

Dancing Fire-

You asked if any of the well educated Pricescopers could use cursive writing, then ranted about young people who do not write in script (cursive). Not all well educated Pricescopers are young, you know! Logical flaw there?

Like many members of my generation (and yours) educated in the United States, I use cursive writing naturally. When I made a brief foray into teaching middle school a few years ago I unconsciously wrote in script on the blackboard. As an earlier poster (oddoneout) wrote, I stopped when when I learned that others (in my case, my students) could not read what I had written! I was horrified. They acted as if I had written in a different alphabet. I did not, however, want to have them lose all sense of what I was teaching (especially when it was French!) so I switched to printing!

AGBF

 

[junebug17]

Ok, not to brag or anything (ahem!) but I've been told I have beautiful handwriting (hey, it's one of the few things I'm good at!) Yep, Catholic school, Palmer method...penmanship was a subject we had every day, from second to eighth grade! My daughter, age 20, combines cursive and printing, and my son (17) prints...he knows how to write in cursive, but not well.

ETA: for the record, I have no problem that my kids don't write in cursive...in fact, it's always been very difficult for my son. His third grade teacher made the class write in cursive the entire year, and it was torture for him. Why make things harder than they have to be?

 

[kama_s]

Date: 3/4/2010 10:06:05 PM
Author: AGBF


Dancing Fire-

You asked if any of the well educated Pricescopers could use cursive writing, then ranted about young people who do not write in script (cursive). Not all well educated Pricescopers are young, you know! Logical flaw there?

Like many members of my generation (and yours) educated in the United States, I use cursive writing naturally. When I made a brief foray into teaching middle school a few years ago I unconsciously wrote in script on the blackboard. As an earlier poster (oddoneout) wrote, I stopped when when I learned that others (in my case, my students) could not read what I had written! I was horrified. They acted as if I had written in a different alphabet. I did not, however, want to have them lose all sense of what I was teaching (especially when it was French!) so I switched to printing!

AGBF

That''s interesting! My french teacher is in her 50''s (from Nice, France), and she always writes in cursive. We''re all between the ages of 25-30, so I guess we don''t have an issue with it - but I can see younger kids like my brother having difficulty with it.

 

[iheartscience]

I can write in cursive but I don''t-I prefer to print. My handwriting is kind of awesome if I do say so myself-I always get compliments! I''ve always loved practicing my handwriting and making up different "fonts." I want to teach myself calligraphy eventually-I looked into classes but couldn''t find any locally.

I bet in the not so far future people will barely know how to write-we''ll be using computers for everything.

 

[Lynnie]

My cursive is beautiful, and I use it all the time.
I attribute my beautiful handwriting to my 3rd grade teacher... a scary-as-hell nun who would smack your desk (*this close* to your fingers) with a yardstick if your penmanship wasn't up to par.

 

[Luckyeshe]

I can write in cursive, but like HH mine is a mixture. If I''m not being lazy, I think I have pretty cursive handwriting, it just makes me tired faster since I think I''m holding the pen to tight or something...

 

[lyra]

I was the one who did the original cursive set seen in elementary school classrooms....JUST KIDDING. But truthfully, that is *exactly* what my cursive looks like, Palmer method straight up. I have also done serious calligraphy. The very best calligrapher I know is actually a man, James Pickering. Lovely italic work.

 

[MonkeyPants]

Ha! I barely remember what it feels like to hold a pen after spending so many years typing and emailing EVERYTHING at work! Cursive is beautiful, but I don''t really think it''s basis for determining your education level. My cursive was better in 3rd grade than it is now...

DF did you have to pass a penmanship test to graduate from college?

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 3/5/2010 1:07:08 AM
Author: MonkeyPants
Ha! I barely remember what it feels like to hold a pen after spending so many years typing and emailing EVERYTHING at work! Cursive is beautiful, but I don't really think it's basis for determining your education level. My cursive was better in 3rd grade than it is now...

DF did you have to pass a penmanship test to graduate from college?

LOL,what college?? i grew up in Chinese gambling joints, bowling alleys and pool halls.

i am one of only two PSers that don't have a college degree.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 3/5/2010 2:09:41 AM
Author: Dancing Fire

Date: 3/5/2010 1:07:08 AM

Author: MonkeyPants

Ha! I barely remember what it feels like to hold a pen after spending so many years typing and emailing EVERYTHING at work! Cursive is beautiful, but I don''t really think it''s basis for determining your education level. My cursive was better in 3rd grade than it is now...


DF did you have to pass a penmanship test to graduate from college?

LOL,what college?? i grew up in Chinese gambling joints, bowling alleys and pool halls.

i am one of only two PSers that don''t have a college degree.

I don''t have one - granted my lifelong dream is to get my phd in physics... but alas, it is still on hold as I adventure around

BTW - here is my oh so fabulous (read: barely legible) ink writing... it''s not that great and it was for a new year celebration. With my one and only (thus far) chinese painting. I was in bed 3 days sick this week and missed the class

 

[Hudson_Hawk]

Date: 3/4/2010 6:13:31 PM
Author: Burberrygirl
Yes, I can write in cursive. I don''t use it often but my cursive is very pretty. I''m 19, in college, and I went to public schools Oh, and I can read an analog clock just fine. We weren''t allowed to use our cell phones in school and all the clocks were analog.

I''m not saying you are, but this totally sounds like you''re bragging about being able to read a clock, which I find really funny this morning.

 

[Burberrygirl]

Date: 3/4/2010 10:38:48 AM
Author: MissMina
Not only can't DS write legibly in cursive
He wouldn't know what time it is on your analog watch
And he has a lot of trouble doing simple math in his head

HH:

Lol! No, I wasn't bragging at all. I was writing in response to MM, I should have quoted her in my post. All I meant was at my school the average person could write in cursive and read an analog clock. I wasn't trying to be mean or brag, all I meant was the majority of people I graduated with could do those things easily

Sorry, I should have re-read my post before submitting it. I understand how you might get bragging from the last part

 

[chrono]

Everyone was required to learn and write in cursive in Standard 4 (elementary school) but as an adult, I write only block letters (print) because my work as an engineer requires it.

 

[Strawdermangrl]

Date: 3/4/2010 8:23:29 PM
Author: Cehrabehra

Date: 3/4/2010 1:48:21 PM
Author: Strawdermangrl

Date: 3/4/2010 10:20:57 AM

Author:Dancing Fire

can you write in CURSIVE? be honest now!!

ever since the computer age i have noticed many young well educated student with a college diploma whom can''t or know how to write in cursive,b/c all of their school reports,home works were typed up on a computer.

now,that''s a pet peeve of mine!!. how the hell they graduated from college?

Also, how does anyone learn how to spell!? With spell check and auto grammar correction, who needs to have any sense of eloquence!? Off the soapbox...

You know - I was never a good speller and it wasn''t until I got a computer that I began to improve. The squiggly red line is feedback. Sure you could ignore the opportunity to learn, but I always took that feedback as a chance to think about it. My spelling may still not be great, but it is better than ever BECAUSE of spell check.

I agree to that extent, I think that it is a great source of feedback and I look to it for a little added security on emails.

What I was referencing and maybe didn''t communicate very well, was for the kids that have laptops in school and are using them to do all the schoolwork. My friend that is an elementary teacher says that the kids pretty much do all of their homework on the laptops and therefore they are just depending on the spell-check and grammar check features to do the work for them. Sure, for papers, I totally used it (back in the day when it was that separate program, lol) but for day to day homework and whatnot? I totally think that kids should be forced to fumble their way through, like we all had to.