Political -- Did you feel safer when you woke up today?

[katharath]

Link:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/316714-federal-judge-blocks-trump-immigration-ban-nationwide

 

[the_mother_thing]

Thanks Kath, but I specifically wanted to read the executive order.

 

[katharath]

Serious question. Given that Cheeto has ignored the Constitution and broken the law, why are there no immediate plans to try and impeach him (at least I haven't seen any)?? I will admit that I don't entirely understand the impeachment process, but it seems like this should be exactly the kind of thing to warrant it.

Stop dreaming... it ain't gonna happen. Don't believe me ? ask B. Clinton...

According to CNN, you may not like what Trump is doing but under the law he has the right to do so. And in the past, courts have always backed the President in cases such as this.

So there is no grounds to impeach him. Just more wasted time tying up the courts

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444371/donald-trump-executive-order-ban-entry-seven-muslim-majority-countries-legal

Really? Because a federal judge just said he absolutely doesn't have that right.

Just saw that. YES!

Edit: also agree with the speculation about his business interests. Was talked about earlier on NPR today. This isn't about keeping US safe, it's about playing on people's fears in order to accomplish his xenophobic and monetary interests. Because he is the literal worst.

I am going to get offline for next little while, as I exhale a sigh of relief. This is just the first step, but thank god for it (says the atheist, lol). I was *fiercely* proud of the protestors at JFK, Dulles, etc etc - John Lewis was out in Atlanta.

 

[ruby59]

Serious question. Given that Cheeto has ignored the Constitution and broken the law, why are there no immediate plans to try and impeach him (at least I haven't seen any)?? I will admit that I don't entirely understand the impeachment process, but it seems like this should be exactly the kind of thing to warrant it.

Stop dreaming... it ain't gonna happen. Don't believe me ? ask B. Clinton...

According to CNN, you may not like what Trump is doing but under the law he has the right to do so. And in the past, courts have always backed the President in cases such as this.

So there is no grounds to impeach him. Just more wasted time tying up the courts

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444371/donald-trump-executive-order-ban-entry-seven-muslim-majority-countries-legal

Really? Because a federal judge just said he absolutely doesn't have that right.

Temporary stay for the people on the planes with valid visas only.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/01/28/us-judge-allows-travelers-who-landed-with-visas-to-stay-in-count/21702350/

 

[the_mother_thing]

WASHINGTON — A federal judge blocked part of President Trump’s executive order on immigration on Saturday evening, ordering that refugees and others trapped at airports across the United States should not be sent back to their home countries. But the judge stopped short of letting them into the country or issuing a broader ruling on the constitutionality of Mr. Trump’s actions.

Lawyers who sued the government to block the White House order said the decision, which came after an emergency hearing in a New York City courtroom, could affect an estimated 100 to 200 people who were detained upon arrival at American airports in the wake of the order that Mr. Trump signed on Friday afternoon, a week into his presidency.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/us/refugees-detained-at-us-airports-prompting-legal-challenges-to-trumps-immigration-order.html

 

[lovedogs]

Thanks Kath, but I specifically wanted to read the executive order.

I believe CNN lets you see the full text via this link: http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/text-of-trump-executive-order-nation-ban-refugees/index.html

 

[katharath]

Serious question. Given that Cheeto has ignored the Constitution and broken the law, why are there no immediate plans to try and impeach him (at least I haven't seen any)?? I will admit that I don't entirely understand the impeachment process, but it seems like this should be exactly the kind of thing to warrant it.

Stop dreaming... it ain't gonna happen. Don't believe me ? ask B. Clinton...

According to CNN, you may not like what Trump is doing but under the law he has the right to do so. And in the past, courts have always backed the President in cases such as this.

So there is no grounds to impeach him. Just more wasted time tying up the courts

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444371/donald-trump-executive-order-ban-entry-seven-muslim-majority-countries-legal

Really? Because a federal judge just said he absolutely doesn't have that right.

Temporary stay for the people on the planes with valid visas only.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/01/28/us-judge-allows-travelers-who-landed-with-visas-to-stay-in-count/21702350/

I'm fully aware of what it is, which is why I referred to it as a "first step" in my above post. You stated that Trump "has the right" to do this. A federal judge does not agree. Which is what I said. Then I included a link to the story as well. I'm sorry, I can't be more clear than that. I'm not going to be drawn into a never ending cycle of word parsing right now, so...have a good night.

 

[ruby59]

Serious question. Given that Cheeto has ignored the Constitution and broken the law, why are there no immediate plans to try and impeach him (at least I haven't seen any)?? I will admit that I don't entirely understand the impeachment process, but it seems like this should be exactly the kind of thing to warrant it.

Stop dreaming... it ain't gonna happen. Don't believe me ? ask B. Clinton...

According to CNN, you may not like what Trump is doing but under the law he has the right to do so. And in the past, courts have always backed the President in cases such as this.

So there is no grounds to impeach him. Just more wasted time tying up the courts

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444371/donald-trump-executive-order-ban-entry-seven-muslim-majority-countries-legal

Really? Because a federal judge just said he absolutely doesn't have that right.

Temporary stay for the people on the planes with valid visas only.



https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/01/28/us-judge-allows-travelers-who-landed-with-visas-to-stay-in-count/21702350/

I'm fully aware of what it is, which is why I referred to it as a "first step" in my above post. You stated that Trump "has the right" to do this. A federal judge does not agree. Which is what I said. Then I included a link to the story as well. I'm sorry, I can't be more clear than that. I'm not going to be drawn into a never ending cycle of word parsing right now, so...have a good night.

I was responding to your first post. I had not seen your subsequent ones, which included a link.

Try to follow before you take that high and mighty attitude of yours.

 

[the_mother_thing]

Thanks Kath, but I specifically wanted to read the executive order.

I believe CNN lets you see the full text via this link: http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/text-of-trump-executive-order-nation-ban-refugees/index.html

Thank you. Yea, I am not a lawyer but I saw a couple items in reading it.

I am still troubled by why it's not on WH.gov ... even before the stay was granted.

 

[Arcadian]

Thanks Kath, but I specifically wanted to read the executive order.

I believe CNN lets you see the full text via this link: http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/text-of-trump-executive-order-nation-ban-refugees/index.html

Thank you. Yea, I am not a lawyer but I saw a couple items in reading it.

I am still troubled by why it's not on WH.gov ... even before the stay was granted.

Not sure, maybe they got a bit sloppy. It may show up tomorrow or Monday.

 

[House Cat]

Turned on Fox News for 2 minutes and they were sharing stories of people who had been murdered by illegal immigrants. Ted Cruz was pleading for support for this executive action.

They are bathing their viewers in this garbage to maintain support.

This is the kind of crap that Hitler did.

Trump said that he wanted Illegal Immigrant crime broadcast weekly...another move out of the hitler playbook?

 

[Dee*Jay]

Coming soon to a country near you. No one gets in, no one gets out.

I certainly hope the children learn some empathy soon and put an end to this little experiment.

 

[AGBF]

Turned on Fox News for 2 minutes and they were sharing stories of people who had been murdered by illegal immigrants. Ted Cruz was pleading for support for this executive action.

They are bathing their viewers in this garbage to maintain support.

This is the kind of crap that Hitler did.

Trump said that he wanted Illegal Immigrant crime broadcast weekly...another move out of the hitler playbook?

Who said it can't happen here? Probably someone who actually thought Americans thought through the news. But in fascist countries the intellectuals are the first to go. Compare Trump to Jill Stein. (For those of you who don't recall, she ran for President of the United States on The Green Party ticket.)

He is an under-educated, stupid boor who cannot concentrate on an idea for more than 30 seconds and forgets what he was saying as soon as he starts a sentence. She is eloquent, sensible, rational, and planful. So Americans chose him.

Jill Stein...http://grist.org/politics/meet-the-presidential-candidate-who-makes-bernie-sanders-look-conservative/

 

[AGBF]

Here is a video of spontaneous protests that broke out at JFK Airport...https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000004899878/protests-at-jfk-against-immigration-ban.html?action=click&contentCollection=us&module=lede&region=caption&pgtype=article

Protestors chanted:

"Build the wall, we'll tear it down!

and

"No hate! No fear!
Refugees are welcome here!"

Resist.

Deb/AGBF

 

[missy]

Does anyone remember the Twilight Zone episode "It's a Good Life" ? For some reason I can't shake it this morning thinking about what is going on in this country right now. About a town who is terrorized by a little boy (Billy Mumy) who has the power to destroy, create, disfigure, and kill anyone who doesn’t praise and placate him.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0734580/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_a_Good_Life_(The_Twilight_Zone)


I bet there's more than just one chilling story that mirrors this surreal world we are in right now but this one just popped into my head. Scary surreal times. Doesn't feel like it can be happening yet it is.

 

[Dee*Jay]

Let's play the game Which Of These Is Not Like The Others?

I'm gong with "Travel Ban Working Out Nicely."

 

[Arcadian]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9GKL6i38pI&feature=youtu.be

Did he say what I think he said?



maybe look at the video before it somehow disappears.

 

[E B]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9GKL6i38pI&feature=youtu.be

Did he say what I think he said?



maybe look at the video before it somehow disappears.

That he did!

Seeing this on Twitter-- things seem to be sliding even more quickly downhill.

 

[monarch64]

This was in my Twitter feed. Shocking, right?

 

[kenny]

Monnie, shirley you're not saying we'd be safer if we got rid of guns than if we got rid of terrorists!



Murikans are so fvking stupid!

 

[ruby59]

Monnie, shirley you're not saying we'd be safer if we got rid of guns than if we got rid of terrorists!



Murikans are so fvking stupid!

When someone shoots someone it is usually one on one.


When a terrorist comes in and sets off a bomb or starts shooting people, he is looking for as much collateral damage as he can. Women, children, innocent bystanders. One terrorist can hurt, maim, and kill a lot of people.

Just look at what happened in California, Florida, Boston,

 

[E B]

Just look at what happened in California, Florida, Boston,

All US citizens, either born or naturalized, none from the 7 banned countries.

 

[ruby59]

Just look at what happened in California, Florida, Boston,

All US citizens, either born or naturalized, none from the 7 banned countries.

That does not mean they were not taken in by their rhetoric.

 

[Matata]

I don't know how to download Facebook videos. This is a link to a video by the governor of the State of Washington basically calling Cheeto von Tweeto an enemy of the US.

https://www.facebook.com/groopspeak/videos/1098360616958353/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED

 

[E B]

Just look at what happened in California, Florida, Boston,

All US citizens, either born or naturalized, none from the 7 banned countries.

That does not mean they were not taken in by their rhetoric.

So then why the ban of refugees/immigrants of those specific countries (none of which overlap with terrorists of 9/11 or Trump's business ties) if any US citizen, born or naturalized, can be taken in by rhetoric?

 

[E B]

Turned on Fox News for 2 minutes and they were sharing stories of people who had been murdered by illegal immigrants. Ted Cruz was pleading for support for this executive action.

A page right out of the fascist playbook. Keep the masses feeling vulnerable and united against a "common foe."

 

[kenny]

I wonder why, as a group, liberals are not as fearful as conservatives.
(Sure, there are exceptions )

Must be a genetic/brain or psychology thing.
Maybe it's education/IQ related.

 

[ruby59]

Just look at what happened in California, Florida, Boston,

All US citizens, either born or naturalized, none from the 7 banned countries.

That does not mean they were not taken in by their rhetoric.

So then why the ban of refugees of those specific countries (none of which overlap with terrorists of 9/11 or Trump's business ties) if any US citizen, born or naturalized, can be taken in by rhetoric?

I would also like an answer to what I highlighted.

I can understand the countries selected, but I do question why others did not make the list.

I also question the way Trump does things. I understand why we need to vet these people better. I understand why he could not give advanced notice, but he did say he was going to do this throughout his campaign.

I understand why even people with green cards who travel back and forth between their country and ours also need to be looked at, as some became radicalized on those trips.

But I do not agree that the people who already landed here, should have been held.

 

[kenny]

I wonder why, as a group, liberals are not as fearful as conservatives.
(Sure, there are exceptions )

Must be a genetic/brain or psychology thing.
Maybe it's education/IQ related.

Well Gee, whadya know?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-beast/201104/conservatives-big-fear-brain-study-finds

Conservatives Big on Fear, Brain Study Finds
Are people born conservative?
Posted Apr 19, 2011

Peering inside the brain with MRI scans, researchers at University College London found that self-described conservative students had a larger amygdala than liberals. The amygdala is an almond-shaped structure deep in the brain that is active during states of fear and anxiety. Liberals had more gray matter at least in the anterior cingulate cortex, a region of the brain that helps people cope with complexity.

The results are not that surprising as they fit in with conclusions from other studies. Just a year ago, researchers from Harvard and UCLA San Diego reported finding a "liberal" gene. This gene had a tiny effect, however, and worked only for adolescents having many friends. The results also mesh with psychological studies on conflict monitoring.

What It Means
There is a big unknown underlying these findings. Supposing that the size of one's amygdala really does increase the likelihood of being a conservative. Is the size of the amygdala determined at birth, or does it perhaps increase with frightening childhood experiences, such as authoritarian parenting and corporal punishment?

Similarly, one might ask whether the gray matter difference is affected by exposure to educational challenge, social diversity, or childhood cognitive enrichment.

The born versus acquired perspective on political attitudes is important to psychologists. After all, if political proclivities are fixed at birth in terms of brain anatomy, there is little hope of change. Most of us would probably like to see a world in which political attitudes were less polarized, and more changeable, but that may be a pipe dream.

Meanwhile, the neuro-scientific fact of two very different political creatures helps clarify much of the political antics of modern democracies.

Most societies are divided into a party that wants change (the more liberal party) and one that is afraid of change (the conservatives). The liberal party is generally more intellectual and the conservative party is more anti-intellectual.

The conservative party is big on national defense and magnifies our perception of threat, whether of foreign aggressors, immigrants, terrorists, or invading ideologies like Communism. To a conservative, the world really is a frightening place.

Given that their brains are so different, it is hardly surprising that liberals and conservatives should spend so much time talking across each other and never achieving real dialog or consensus.

As scientists we hope that these results are replicated because they shed so much light on political behavior. As citizens, we would prefer if politicians were not divided into such different categories of political animal.

If everyone was born with the same brain potential to acquire either conservative, or liberal, views, then we could be more optimistic about prospects for political communication and consensus-building. If voters were of like brain, perhaps they could be of like mind.

 

[the_mother_thing]

I wonder why, as a group, liberals are not as fearful as conservatives.
(Sure, there are exceptions )

Must be a genetic/brain or psychology thing.
Maybe it's education/IQ related.

You're kidding me, right?

That would be gut-bustingly laughable if it wouldn't offend someone in the process.

I guess I somehow missed the masses of conservatives crying on tv post-election; demanding 'safe spaces' and play doh; hurling judgmental labels onto liberals; demonstrating fear of losing rights via million-person marches with threats of violence spewed by a guest speaker; and posting on social media daily how afraid they are of Chump's pre- and post-inaugural comments.

Where HAVE I been?



We're not fearful; we have guns!