Political -- Did you feel safer when you woke up today?

[OreoRosies86]

It's not just the POTUS (vomit) who is greedy. When people feel vulnerable they get greedy and it's all about ME ME ME. My family, my healthcare, my money, etc. This is what happens when people allow themselves to be manipulated by scare tactics, whether we are talking about health insurance or allowing Muslims to come into the country.

I've said it before, this is what causes societies to break down.

And this is how powerful people are able to convince others to agree with their insanity: by scaring them.

Americans have long been trapped in a cycle of consumption and fear. Consumption and fear, consume, be afraid, lather rinse repeat. We see examples of that on this board constantly. Dont let them in, they are terrorists.

You know whose family was barred from entering the US? Anne Frank.

 

[ruby59]

It's not just the POTUS (vomit) who is greedy. When people feel vulnerable they get greedy and it's all about ME ME ME. My family, my healthcare, my money, etc. This is what happens when people allow themselves to be manipulated by scare tactics, whether we are talking about health insurance or allowing Muslims to come into the country.

I've said it before, this is what causes societies to break down.

And this is how powerful people are able to convince others to agree with their insanity: by scaring them.

What convinced me that there are people who want to harm us were the almost daily stories of killings and bombings. New York, + California, Florida, Boston - it seemed like it would never stop.

What convinced me that ObamaCare was a nightmare, was living under it the last couple of years and spending more out of pocket for crappy coverage. I could barely afford insurance that was getting worse every year.

It is having to live under these conditions that are making us look for a better alternative.

 

[Dancing Fire]

It's not just the POTUS (vomit) who is greedy. When people feel vulnerable they get greedy and it's all about ME ME ME. My family, my healthcare, my money, etc. This is what happens when people allow themselves to be manipulated by scare tactics, whether we are talking about health insurance or allowing Muslims to come into the country.

I've said it before, this is what causes societies to break down.

And this is how powerful people are able to convince others to agree with their insanity: by scaring them.

Americans have long been trapped in a cycle of consumption and fear. Consumption and fear, consume, be afraid, lather rinse repeat. We see examples of that on this board constantly. Dont let them in, they are terrorists.

Would you let people in your house that you don't know?

 

[OreoRosies86]

It's not just the POTUS (vomit) who is greedy. When people feel vulnerable they get greedy and it's all about ME ME ME. My family, my healthcare, my money, etc. This is what happens when people allow themselves to be manipulated by scare tactics, whether we are talking about health insurance or allowing Muslims to come into the country.

I've said it before, this is what causes societies to break down.

And this is how powerful people are able to convince others to agree with their insanity: by scaring them.

Americans have long been trapped in a cycle of consumption and fear. Consumption and fear, consume, be afraid, lather rinse repeat. We see examples of that on this board constantly. Dont let them in, they are terrorists.

Would you let people in your house that you don't know?

I grew up Catholic with kind of a hippie mom. We regularly hosted families we didn't know who needed a place to stay. They were vetted by the church and the program ran successfully for many years. We hosted exchange students as well. No one was murdered, which is always a win. We were poor for a time growing up and I will be eternally grateful to my mom for being pretty selfless despite her own hurdles. My parents are not perfect but my mother didn't teach us to fear people.

 

[Calliecake]

I am 100% embarrassed to be an American. I'm not proud to be an American and I'm embarrassed by that, too.

Watched a Netflix series last week called The Eighties. Two of the episodes were about greed, and the subsequent downfall of the likes of Leona Helmsley, etc. Guess who was featured in both? Yup. Our very own POTUS. A greedy human elected by other greedy humans.

Exactly this. I'm nauseous today. It's like I'm living in a nightmare run by a narsistist. Ugh.

Monnie, I remember the eighties well. Trump has ALWAYS been known as a greedy arrogant ass. Only difference is then he was also known as a laughing stock now we call him President.... and we wonder why we are feeling nauseous. This whole thing still seems like a bad dream.

 

[Arcadian]

So apparently Iran is responding in kind. Reuters is reporting on it but I'm having a hard time pulling their link.

Although here's one that talks about what American Companies are having to do to help those people who are employed by them with valid visas
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-companies-idUSKBN15C0SC

Also it looks as if Canada is stepping up to accept those that the US is currently rejecting.

its going to be a busy night folks.

 

[Matata]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/donald-trump-migrant-refugee-ban-muslim-countries-iran-tehran-us-citizens-stopped-entering-country-a7551276.html
Excerpt:
Iran has said it will block American citizens from entering the country in “retaliation” for Donald Trump’s ban on travellers from seven majority-Muslim countries coming to the US.

Tehran’s foreign ministry said in a statement it would enforce its own ban “until the offensive US limitations against Iranian nationals are lifted”.

The US ban is an “affront against the Muslim world”, the statement said, adding it would be a “great gift to extremists”.

Wall Street Journal and a couple other sources I don't subscribe to and can't link are carrying the story also.

 

[katharath]

It's not just the POTUS (vomit) who is greedy. When people feel vulnerable they get greedy and it's all about ME ME ME. My family, my healthcare, my money, etc. This is what happens when people allow themselves to be manipulated by scare tactics, whether we are talking about health insurance or allowing Muslims to come into the country.

I've said it before, this is what causes societies to break down.

And this is how powerful people are able to convince others to agree with their insanity: by scaring them.

Americans have long been trapped in a cycle of consumption and fear. Consumption and fear, consume, be afraid, lather rinse repeat. We see examples of that on this board constantly. Dont let them in, they are terrorists.

Would you let people in your house that you don't know?

I grew up Catholic with kind of a hippie mom. We regularly hosted families we didn't know who needed a place to stay. They were vetted by the church and the program ran successfully for many years. We hosted exchange students as well. No one was murdered, which is always a win. We were poor for a time growing up and I will be eternally grateful to my mom for being pretty selfless despite her own hurdles. My parents are not perfect but my mother didn't teach us to fear people.

Elliot, your mother set a beautiful example. You must be very proud!! While I consider myself atheist, I have great respect for religious people who actually "walk the walk", not just talk about it.

 

[the_mother_thing]

I grew up Catholic with kind of a hippie mom. We regularly hosted families we didn't know who needed a place to stay. They were vetted by the church and the program ran successfully for many years. We hosted exchange students as well. No one was murdered, which is always a win. We were poor for a time growing up and I will be eternally grateful to my mom for being pretty selfless despite her own hurdles. My parents are not perfect but my mother didn't teach us to fear people.

What a great example to set!

Now, our elected officials want to do the same, for our home - our country. Since there is separation of church & state, it makes sense they do it vs any one church. Thank you for sharing!

 

[OreoRosies86]

I left the church many years ago, but I'm proud of my mom too. She set a good example.

And I have never said I don't think people should be vetted. They absolutely should. What Trump is doing is hypocritical and gross. I do not buy into anything that is driven by fear, racism, etc.

 

[telephone89]

I was chatting with someone today. She mentioned that this is likely going to fuel the fire that ISIS/etc has against the US. They love their martyrs - a country actively hating someone on nothing other than their country of birth and what invisible person they believe in the sky is excellent fodder. Not saying any decisions should be made based on what they think, but I imagine it will have an unintended effect for sure.

 

[lyra]

Seeing headlines using the term "world-wide panic" definitely set the tone for me today. I'm wondering what is in store for MY country next. I'm worried about war and which side we'd stand with. Or would the US try to invade Canada. Yes, actual thoughts that ran through my head.

I can't believe what we're facing with this deranged narcissist in charge of so much power. Someone tell me it's not really going to go that far. At this point, I'd probably believe just about anything. I honestly think I'd rather we were facing Pence. He at least seems like he might be controlled before he is voted out next term.

 

[Arcadian]

I left the church many years ago, but I'm proud of my mom too. She set a good example.

And I have never said I don't think people should be vetted. They absolutely should. What Trump is doing is hypocritical and gross. I do not buy into anything that is driven by fear, racism, etc.

How this is being done is in direct conflict with the US Constitution. Agreed.

@Matata, The only link I'm able to grab is from yahoo. Reuters is the source, so there is that.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/iran-vows-reciprocal-steps-retaliation-us-visa-ban-164247739.html

DUBAI (Reuters) - Iran said on Saturday it would stop U.S. citizens entering the country in retaliation to Washington's visa ban against Tehran and six other majority-Muslim countries announced by new U.S. President Donald Trump.

"While respecting the American people and distinguishing between them and the hostile policies of the U.S. government, Iran will implement the principle of reciprocity until the offensive U.S. limitations against Iranian nationals are lifted," a Foreign Ministry statement said.

"The restrictions against travel by Muslims to America... are an open affront against the Muslim world and the Iranian nation in particular and will be known as a great gift to extremists," said the statement, carried by state media.

The U.S. ban will make it virtually impossible for relatives and friends of an estimated one million Iranian-Americans to visit the United States

 

[lovedogs]

Seeing headlines using the term "world-wide panic" definitely set the tone for me today. I'm wondering what is in store for MY country next. I'm worried about war and which side we'd stand with. Or would the US try to invade Canada. Yes, actual thoughts that ran through my head.

I can't believe what we're facing with this deranged narcissist in charge of so much power. Someone tell me it's not really going to go that far. At this point, I'd probably believe just about anything. I honestly think I'd rather we were facing Pence. He at least seems like he might be controlled before he is voted out next term.

Yup, I agree with preferring Pence (although obviously I despise both). But at least with Pence I'm more confident in his ability to be level headed and not send us into WWIII. Chump, on the other hand, will send us to war as soon as anyone dares insult his looks, crowds, etc. Pence is a disaster for women's rights, LGBTQ rights, etc, but at least not a petulant child who is unpredictable and unstable.

 

[ruby59]

I left the church many years ago, but I'm proud of my mom too. She set a good example.

And I have never said I don't think people should be vetted. They absolutely should. What Trump is doing is hypocritical and gross. I do not buy into anything that is driven by fear, racism, etc.

How this is being done is in direct conflict with the US Constitution. Agreed.

@Matata, The only link I'm able to grab is from yahoo. Reuters is the source, so there is that.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/iran-vows-reciprocal-steps-retaliation-us-visa-ban-164247739.html

DUBAI (Reuters) - Iran said on Saturday it would stop U.S. citizens entering the country in retaliation to Washington's visa ban against Tehran and six other majority-Muslim countries announced by new U.S. President Donald Trump.

"While respecting the American people and distinguishing between them and the hostile policies of the U.S. government, Iran will implement the principle of reciprocity until the offensive U.S. limitations against Iranian nationals are lifted," a Foreign Ministry statement said.

"The restrictions against travel by Muslims to America... are an open affront against the Muslim world and the Iranian nation in particular and will be known as a great gift to extremists," said the statement, carried by state media.


Iran - where 52 American diplomats and citizens were held hostage for 444 days.

 

[Tekate]

No I didn't feel any more safe, because first of all, the banned countries aren't known for sending terrorists to America. Two the countries that send terrorists also have business with Trump, this scares me.. very very scary.

 

[Tekate]

Really? (the bolder part) For more than a year, right or wrong aside, people heard and every media outlet (real, fake, domestic and international) replayed him say he would do exactly THIS if elected. How can anyone really claim surprise?

I don't mean warning about a muslim ban, I mean no warning about it taking place immediately. People are being detained at airports, people who've gone through the ALREADY exhaustive process (edit: what katharath said above). It's an absolute clusterf*ck. But, so is Trump, so I guess no one should be surprised by anything coming from his WH anymore.

I don't mean to argue, but yes - he said repeatedly "on day one" ... https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/trump-day-one-promises/514184/

I do agree that - those who have documentation/established residence/green cards, etc., should be released/waived immediately and allowed to return. UNdocumented individuals however - different story. And really, that should be from ANY country, with or without terrorist ties.

He also said the ACA would be repealed and replaced on day one. He could revoke it tomorrow without warning, leaving millions without care and creating mass confusion much as he had with the Muslim ban. It would have been a humane and polite thing to do to give a heads up to people but we already know he is neither humane nor polite.

Right now with the new year, I am trying to figure out how I am going to afford the humongous deductible.

Don't expect the repubicans to help you on that. Their plan is let you keep your insurance or buy catastrophic insurance which is very expensive and covers zilch.

 

[Tekate]

I grew up Catholic with kind of a hippie mom. We regularly hosted families we didn't know who needed a place to stay. They were vetted by the church and the program ran successfully for many years. We hosted exchange students as well. No one was murdered, which is always a win. We were poor for a time growing up and I will be eternally grateful to my mom for being pretty selfless despite her own hurdles. My parents are not perfect but my mother didn't teach us to fear people.

What a great example to set!

Now, our elected officials want to do the same, for our home - our country. Since there is separation of church & state, it makes sense they do it vs any one church. Thank you for sharing!

Jo, I was vetted by the Catholic church also, to teach RE. It's not that hard, background check, and a 6 hour class, they are looking for pedophiles and to cover their derriere.

Cool mom and dad Elliot. My boy was born in 87 (I know you're a girl )

 

[Matata]

Coming soon to a country near you. No one gets in, no one gets out.

 

[lovedogs]

No I didn't feel any more safe, because first of all, the banned countries aren't known for sending terrorists to America. Two the countries that send terrorists also have business with Trump, this scares me.. very very scary.

This point is just so.f-ed.up. I hate him with the fire of 1000 suns.

 

[arkieb1]

No.

Making even more of the world hate us even more does not make me feel safer.

Exactly it just makes more people hate you and want to kill you.... I've travelled all around the world and one of the first things they ask us is are you American? And in most places (I'm talking 90% of the time) when we say no we are Australian they say good because we hate Americans.....

If terrorists want to go to the US all they need to do is go to an allowed country for a period of time first, then they can still get in, but given the fact you are a zillion times more likely to be killed by one of your own citizens due to lax gun laws and a president who is now heavily bought off by the NRA what does it matter

 

[Matata]

Cheeto von Tweeto broke the law and violated the Constitution. What's next?
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/01/28/trump_has_suspended_due_process_for_muslims.html
Excerpt:
There are serious constitutional problems with Trump’s executive order as a whole, including its preference for one particular religion (Christianity) and its denigration of another (Islam). The courts will debate these questions over the coming months. But for Alshawi and others like him, there is a more immediate concern: a complete and total lack of due process. As a chilling American Civil Liberties Union lawsuit filed Saturday demonstrates, Trump’s executive order has led to the flagrantly unconstitutional detention of perfectly legal immigrants whose lone crime is their national origin and religion. It is not just morally wrong. It is illegal.

The Fifth Amendment to the Constitution provides basic procedural guarantees to individuals detained in the U.S., prohibiting the government from depriving individuals of liberty without “due process of law.” Alshawi arrived in the country lawfully carrying the requisite documentation. Pursuant to the Immigration and Nationality Act, he now has a right to apply for asylum and have his claims processed by federal authorities. But the government did not do that. Instead, it instantly placed him in detention, without a hearing or any kind of judicial oversight, and barred him from speaking with his attorneys.

That is an unconstitutional deprivation of Alshawi’s liberty without due process of law. The federal government cannot indefinitely detain a lawful visitor without a hearing or any semblance of reasonable suspicion because the president signed an executive order. Nor, under the equal protection component of the amendment’s Due Process Clause, may the government discriminate against Alshawi because of his national origin or religion. Yet federal officers are currently ignoring these fundamental constitutional principles. And the entire illegal system is the handiwork of one man—Trump—acting far beyond the bounds of his executive authority. His is a government of men, not of laws, and it apparently has no compunction about locking up perceived enemies based solely on their identity. The very concept of due process emerged from a desire to limit the king’s ability to order unlawful arrests. It appears we are returning to the days when the head of state can detain purported threats without a whiff of evidence that they have broken a law.

One of the ACLU’s other clients, Hameed Khalid Darweesh, was freed on Saturday after Democratic representatives lobbied for his release. (Darweesh risked his life in Iraq working as an interpreter for the U.S. Army.) Alshawi is still being held, and the ACLU has requested a habeas corpus for him and “those similarly situated.” This extraordinary and uncommon relief would require the government to bring those detained before a judge and explain why they should continue to be held. When attorneys must resort to a habeas corpus petition to obtain basic due process rights for clients who have done nothing wrong other than being Iraqi Muslims, the federal government has entered dangerous territory. What is happening today is a constitutional crisis. And it may only be the start of Trump’s assault on the rights of minorities in America.

 

[lovedogs]

Serious question. Given that Cheeto has ignored the Constitution and broken the law, why are there no immediate plans to try and impeach him (at least I haven't seen any)?? I will admit that I don't entirely understand the impeachment process, but it seems like this should be exactly the kind of thing to warrant it.

 

[Matata]

Serious question. Given that Cheeto has ignored the Constitution and broken the law, why are there no immediate plans to try and impeach him (at least I haven't seen any)?? I will admit that I don't entirely understand the impeachment process, but it seems like this should be exactly the kind of thing to warrant it.

There is a group working on it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/01/20/the-campaign-to-impeach-president-trump-has-begun/?utm_term=.7fd2662645cd

Even if there are currently plans underway in the House and Senate (which I doubt), they wouldn't go public with it until they were sure they had sufficient grounds.
Some interesting info here http://www.crf-usa.org/impeachment/high-crimes-and-misdemeanors.html

 

[Dancing Fire]

Serious question. Given that Cheeto has ignored the Constitution and broken the law, why are there no immediate plans to try and impeach him (at least I haven't seen any)?? I will admit that I don't entirely understand the impeachment process, but it seems like this should be exactly the kind of thing to warrant it.

Stop dreaming... it ain't gonna happen. Don't believe me ? ask B. Clinton...

 

[ruby59]

Serious question. Given that Cheeto has ignored the Constitution and broken the law, why are there no immediate plans to try and impeach him (at least I haven't seen any)?? I will admit that I don't entirely understand the impeachment process, but it seems like this should be exactly the kind of thing to warrant it.

Stop dreaming... it ain't gonna happen. Don't believe me ? ask B. Clinton...

According to CNN, you may not like what Trump is doing but under the law he has the right to do so. And in the past, courts have always backed the President in cases such as this.

So there is no grounds to impeach him. Just more wasted time tying up the courts

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444371/donald-trump-executive-order-ban-entry-seven-muslim-majority-countries-legal

 

[the_mother_thing]

I was watching CNN just now also, and Poppy also pointed out that if this were a flat "Muslim ban", there were other Muslim countries that were omitted.

I went to the White House website to read (for myself) what the order states, and unless I am missing it I did not find it, which I am troubled by considering others he signed are there, including one signed today.

 

[katharath]

Serious question. Given that Cheeto has ignored the Constitution and broken the law, why are there no immediate plans to try and impeach him (at least I haven't seen any)?? I will admit that I don't entirely understand the impeachment process, but it seems like this should be exactly the kind of thing to warrant it.

Stop dreaming... it ain't gonna happen. Don't believe me ? ask B. Clinton...

According to CNN, you may not like what Trump is doing but under the law he has the right to do so. And in the past, courts have always backed the President in cases such as this.

So there is no grounds to impeach him. Just more wasted time tying up the courts

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444371/donald-trump-executive-order-ban-entry-seven-muslim-majority-countries-legal

Really? Because a federal judge just said he absolutely doesn't have that right.

 

[katharath]

I was watching CNN just now also, and Poppy also pointed out that if this were a flat "Muslim ban", there were other Muslim countries that were omitted.

I went to the White House website to read (for myself) what the order states, and unless I am missing it I did not find it, which I am troubled by considering others he signed are there, including one signed today.

Yes, he only banned the Middle Eastern countries that he doesn't have business associations with. Here's a very interesting chart; you can see which countries he banned, and it doesn't include the countries most responsible for terrorist acts here; it's widely speculated that this is due to his direct financial involvement with these countries.

 

[lovedogs]

Serious question. Given that Cheeto has ignored the Constitution and broken the law, why are there no immediate plans to try and impeach him (at least I haven't seen any)?? I will admit that I don't entirely understand the impeachment process, but it seems like this should be exactly the kind of thing to warrant it.

Stop dreaming... it ain't gonna happen. Don't believe me ? ask B. Clinton...

According to CNN, you may not like what Trump is doing but under the law he has the right to do so. And in the past, courts have always backed the President in cases such as this.

So there is no grounds to impeach him. Just more wasted time tying up the courts

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444371/donald-trump-executive-order-ban-entry-seven-muslim-majority-countries-legal

Really? Because a federal judge just said he absolutely doesn't have that right.

Just saw that. YES!

Edit: also agree with the speculation about his business interests. Was talked about earlier on NPR today. This isn't about keeping US safe, it's about playing on people's fears in order to accomplish his xenophobic and monetary interests. Because he is the literal worst.