Pipeline protesters leave animals amongst the mess

[redwood66]

Not only did the environmental protesters leave an ecological mess, rescue volunteers are finding pets left behind with frostbite. Puppies found also.

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/dakota-access-protestors-leave-abandoned-frost-bitten-dogs/

excerpt:

The two dogs the group rescued reportedly show signs of exposure to the brutal North Dakotan cold, with frost-bitten ears and mangy fur. The reports of the cast-aside canines follow news of the grave environmental threat to the Missouri River posed by the almost unfathomable amount of waste left at the site by protesters, a threat so grave it compelled North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum to sign an emergency evacuation order.

 

[telephone89]

I don't agree with anything that happened in this situation (a total mess on all parts), but they were forced to evacuate or face jail, and THEN left the dogs. It wasn't just that they were going to subway for lunch and never came back.

I'm very happy to see an animal rescue group in there now though. Hopefully if there are any more animals they will find them!

 

[soxfan]

Lifezette? talk about "fake news..."

http://www.mediaite.com/online/laura-ingrahams-lifezette-sued-by-ap-after-site-bounces-check-for-unpaid-fees-and-revenue/

 

[redwood66]

Lifezette? talk about "fake news..."

http://www.mediaite.com/online/laura-ingrahams-lifezette-sued-by-ap-after-site-bounces-check-for-unpaid-fees-and-revenue/

The point is the animals? Or do you only care about animals when someone who you agree with posts about it?

 

[the_mother_thing]

Lovely job these 'environmentally-conscious activists' did.

Soxfan: Perhaps these sites are more 'acceptable' sources:

When protesters were forcefully cleared out of the camp last week, they left behind mountains of trash on the ‘sensitive wildlife habitat’ that crews are still working to clean up, but according to animal rescue group Furry Friends Rockin Rescue (FFRR), protesters also left behind pets.

As of now, volunteers have found two dogs, and six puppies, but the volunteers are quite sure that there are many more hiding around the camp. Finding them has become a much bigger chore due to the fact that many of the animals are scared of the heavy machinery being used to clean up the camp, and go into hiding. FFRR says that they can only go into the camps on the weekends, when the machinery isn’t going to continue their search.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/02/27/volunteers-move-to-rescue-dogs-abandoned-by-dakota-access-pipeline-protestors/

The mess they left in their wake is in keeping with the protesters’ general disregard for their impact on everything in the vicinity. Their protests impeded traffic and disrupted the Standing Rock tribe’s casino revenue, while hurting the environment with dangerous levels of trash that threaten the water as the seasonal melt arrives. And of course, when the state finally required them to leave, they burned much of the camp in protest. Leaving dogs abandoned on site to be rescued is a fitting epitaph.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/445281/dakota-access-pipeline-protesters-leave-dogs-abandoned-camp-site

... they were forced to evacuate or face jail, and THEN left the dogs. It wasn't just that they were going to subway for lunch and never came back.

It doesn't matter WHERE they were going - they abandoned their pets. Missy said it well in another thread:

Animals are NOT disposable to be thrown away when they are not convenient.

These animals became an 'inconvenience' to these people. It's like they used them as a pawn for sympathy for their cause, then when they 'lost', they discarded them just like the trash they left behind. 'Pathetic' doesn't even come close to describing their actions.

 

[redwood66]

I tried to find a more liberal news outlet covering this but that does not fit their narrative.

 

[the_mother_thing]

I tried to find a more liberal news outlet covering this but that does not fit their hypocritical narrative.

I fixed that for ya.

 

[redwood66]

I tried to find a more liberal news outlet covering this but that does not fit their hypocritical narrative.

I fixed that for ya.

Thank you.

 

[telephone89]

... they were forced to evacuate or face jail, and THEN left the dogs. It wasn't just that they were going to subway for lunch and never came back.

It doesn't matter WHERE they were going - they abandoned their pets. Missy said it well in another thread:

Animals are NOT disposable to be thrown away when they are not convenient.

These animals became an 'inconvenience' to these people. It's like they used them as a pawn for sympathy for their cause, then when they 'lost', they discarded them just like the trash they left behind. 'Pathetic' doesn't even come close to describing their actions.

I'm not saying animals are disposable, I'm saying if someone is evicted quickly they may not have time to find/bring the animal. I feel the same with Katrina and other natural disasters (yes I realize this wasn't a natural disaster) that people are evacuated quickly and sometimes don't get to bring their critters with them.
eta - I'm sure you don't feel the same with Katrina victims, so it's not the act of leaving the animal that bothers you, its WHO did it.

 

[soxfan]

... they were forced to evacuate or face jail, and THEN left the dogs. It wasn't just that they were going to subway for lunch and never came back.

It doesn't matter WHERE they were going - they abandoned their pets. Missy said it well in another thread:

Animals are NOT disposable to be thrown away when they are not convenient.

These animals became an 'inconvenience' to these people. It's like they used them as a pawn for sympathy for their cause, then when they 'lost', they discarded them just like the trash they left behind. 'Pathetic' doesn't even come close to describing their actions.

I'm not saying animals are disposable, I'm saying if someone is evicted quickly they may not have time to find/bring the animal. I feel the same with Katrina and other natural disasters (yes I realize this wasn't a natural disaster) that people are evacuated quickly and sometimes don't get to bring their critters with them.
eta - I'm sure you don't feel the same with Katrina victims, so it's not the act of leaving the animal that bothers you, its WHO did it.

Exactly.

 

[redwood66]

... they were forced to evacuate or face jail, and THEN left the dogs. It wasn't just that they were going to subway for lunch and never came back.

It doesn't matter WHERE they were going - they abandoned their pets. Missy said it well in another thread:

Animals are NOT disposable to be thrown away when they are not convenient.

These animals became an 'inconvenience' to these people. It's like they used them as a pawn for sympathy for their cause, then when they 'lost', they discarded them just like the trash they left behind. 'Pathetic' doesn't even come close to describing their actions.

I'm not saying animals are disposable, I'm saying if someone is evicted quickly they may not have time to find/bring the animal. I feel the same with Katrina and other natural disasters (yes I realize this wasn't a natural disaster) that people are evacuated quickly and sometimes don't get to bring their critters with them.
eta - I'm sure you don't feel the same with Katrina victims, so it's not the act of leaving the animal that bothers you, its WHO did it.

That is quite an assumption on your part that someone doesn't care about certain animals.

 

[OreoRosies86]

It's a shame that happened, but it's also a shame to put such a negative spin on people who are there because of a very important cause. Since I don't know the exact circumstances of why animals might have been left behind, I'll do more research before I condemn them as people who felt like harming animals just for the hell of it.

 

[the_mother_thing]

I'm not saying animals are disposable, I'm saying if someone is evicted quickly they may not have time to find/bring the animal. I feel the same with Katrina and other natural disasters (yes I realize this wasn't a natural disaster) that people are evacuated quickly and sometimes don't get to bring their critters with them.
eta - I'm sure you don't feel the same with Katrina victims, so it's not the act of leaving the animal that bothers you, its WHO did it.

The activists has THREE WEEKS NOTICE; hardly a "quick eviction". Also, many here have stated they don't like red herrings, so might be best to leave those out of this discussion, since it's hardly a comparison to the intentional disregard for the environment and these pets' lives by the perpetrators.

 

[telephone89]

That is quite an assumption on your part that someone doesn't care about certain animals.

I didn't say that or assume that, apologies if that's what you inferred. I said that since you [general] aren't [likely] placing the same blame on other people who are evacuated, then it's not the ACT that bothers you. Its the WHO.

 

[redwood66]

I'm not saying animals are disposable, I'm saying if someone is evicted quickly they may not have time to find/bring the animal. I feel the same with Katrina and other natural disasters (yes I realize this wasn't a natural disaster) that people are evacuated quickly and sometimes don't get to bring their critters with them.
eta - I'm sure you don't feel the same with Katrina victims, so it's not the act of leaving the animal that bothers you, its WHO did it.

The activists has THREE WEEKS NOTICE; hardly a "quick eviction". Also, many here have stated they don't like red herrings, so might be best to leave those out of this discussion, since it's hardly a comparison to the intentional disregard for the environment and these pets' lives by the perpetrators.

Didn't take long for the run to start.

 

[telephone89]

I'm not saying animals are disposable, I'm saying if someone is evicted quickly they may not have time to find/bring the animal. I feel the same with Katrina and other natural disasters (yes I realize this wasn't a natural disaster) that people are evacuated quickly and sometimes don't get to bring their critters with them.
eta - I'm sure you don't feel the same with Katrina victims, so it's not the act of leaving the animal that bothers you, its WHO did it.

The activists has THREE WEEKS NOTICE; hardly a "quick eviction". Also, many here have stated they don't like red herrings, so might be best to leave those out of this discussion, since it's hardly a comparison to the intentional disregard for the environment and these pets' lives by the perpetrators.

Sorry, I thought this thread was about being evacuated and leaving animals behind? Whoops, may have misunderstood that only bashing towards the 'perpetrators' was allowed here!

 

[redwood66]

That is quite an assumption on your part that someone doesn't care about certain animals.

I didn't say that or assume that, apologies if that's what you inferred. I said that since you [general] aren't [likely] placing the same blame on other people who are evacuated, then it's not the ACT that bothers you. Its the WHO.

This thread is about these animals not Katrina so you made quite a stretch there bringing in a 12 year old hurricane.

 

[telephone89]

This thread is about these animals not Katrina so you made quite a stretch there bringing in a 12 year old hurricane.

Red, it is my sincere apology for not using a more recent example. Katrina sticks out in my mind as one of the worst for animals left behind, which is why I thought of it.

 

[redwood66]

I'm not saying animals are disposable, I'm saying if someone is evicted quickly they may not have time to find/bring the animal. I feel the same with Katrina and other natural disasters (yes I realize this wasn't a natural disaster) that people are evacuated quickly and sometimes don't get to bring their critters with them.
eta - I'm sure you don't feel the same with Katrina victims, so it's not the act of leaving the animal that bothers you, its WHO did it.

The activists has THREE WEEKS NOTICE; hardly a "quick eviction". Also, many here have stated they don't like red herrings, so might be best to leave those out of this discussion, since it's hardly a comparison to the intentional disregard for the environment and these pets' lives by the perpetrators.

Sorry, I thought this thread was about being evacuated and leaving animals behind? Whoops, may have misunderstood that only bashing towards the 'perpetrators' was allowed here!

Evicted from a place they destroyed, not evacuated.

 

[redwood66]

This thread is about these animals not Katrina so you made quite a stretch there bringing in a 12 year old hurricane.

Red, it is my sincere apology for not using a more recent example. Katrina sticks out in my mind as one of the worst for animals left behind, which is why I thought of it.

I am not sure how any other example of abandoned animals plays into this? You made an inference that I do not care about other animals in similar situations. How exactly did you come by this knowledge? Because I have never made any post that would cause that kind of thinking. EVER.

 

[telephone89]

Red, even your blurb states there was an 'emergency evacuation order'. I'm just using the terminology in the article that you yourself posted!

 

[telephone89]

This thread is about these animals not Katrina so you made quite a stretch there bringing in a 12 year old hurricane.

Red, it is my sincere apology for not using a more recent example. Katrina sticks out in my mind as one of the worst for animals left behind, which is why I thought of it.

I am not sure how any other example of abandoned animals plays into this? You made an inference that I do not care about other animals in similar situations. How exactly did you come by this knowledge? Because I have never made any post that would cause that kind of thinking. EVER.

Sigh. That's not what I said. I fully believe that you care about animals.

I was saying (again) that there isn't the same outrage for people who leave their animals during a natural disaster. Its a terrible and tragic event, and most people actually FEEL SORRY for these people!

So the outrage about this incident doesn't fit the same profile. As I've already said twice - it's not the ACT of leaving the animal you seem to dislike (because that happens often, and in the circumstances I stated already), its the WHO. I didn't say anything about you hating animals or not caring about animals, I think you are taking this the wrong way. I'm trying to get you to see your bias in that you would two similar acts very differently. I feel this is probably a lost cause though, because you are just taking offense to what I'm [apparently?] saying.

 

[the_mother_thing]

Sorry, I thought this thread was about being evacuated and leaving animals behind? Whoops, may have misunderstood that only bashing towards the 'perpetrators' was allowed here!

It was until you went Amtrak.

Evicted from a place they destroyed, not evacuated.

Exactly. These dogs weren't abandoned due to the weather; they were abandoned by irresponsible pet owners who - again - left them behind WITH their garbage to be someone else's problem.

And here's why the whole debacle - IMO - is a just another poster child for hypocrisy:

The reports of the cast-aside canines follow news of the grave environmental threat to the Missouri River posed by the almost unfathomable amount of waste left at the site by protesters, a threat so grave it compelled North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum to sign an emergency evacuation order.

One of the biggest arguments these protestors had in objection to the pipeline was about protecting water!

 

[redwood66]

This thread is about these animals not Katrina so you made quite a stretch there bringing in a 12 year old hurricane.

Red, it is my sincere apology for not using a more recent example. Katrina sticks out in my mind as one of the worst for animals left behind, which is why I thought of it.

I am not sure how any other example of abandoned animals plays into this? You made an inference that I do not care about other animals in similar situations. How exactly did you come by this knowledge? Because I have never made any post that would cause that kind of thinking. EVER.

Sigh. That's not what I said. I fully believe that you care about animals.

I was saying (again) that there isn't the same outrage for people who leave their animals during a natural disaster. Its a terrible and tragic event, and most people actually FEEL SORRY for these people!

So the outrage about this incident doesn't fit the same profile. As I've already said twice - it's not the ACT of leaving the animal you seem to dislike (because that happens often, and in the circumstances I stated already), its the WHO. I didn't say anything about you hating animals or not caring about animals, I think you are taking this the wrong way. I'm trying to get you to see your bias in that you would two similar acts very differently. I feel this is probably a lost cause though, because you are just taking offense to what I'm [apparently?] saying.

And you still have not answered my question, how did you make this determination about bias? Because I am a conservative you assume it? The whole thing is a mess. The fact that I cannot find any liberal news outlet posting anything about the mess left behind is telling about their bias.

 

[OreoRosies86]

I read this article days ago citing trash buildup and the evacuation plans.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/time-runs-out-at-main-dakota-access-pipeline-protest-camp_us_58acc6a9e4b04a0b274df548

 

[redwood66]

I read this article days ago citing trash buildup and the evacuation plans.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/time-runs-out-at-main-dakota-access-pipeline-protest-camp_us_58acc6a9e4b04a0b274df548

So was it worth it? The destruction is disgusting.

Here is a map of existing pipelines across the US. Where was this much outrage for all of these?

 

[OreoRosies86]

You said there was no coverage on this as a result of BIASED liberal media coverage, I offered you an example contesting that. Beyond that we haven't had a dialogue about it. I'm not being confrontational or argumentative. If you want to have a discussion about this, I'm open. I think it's a complicated situation with a lot of variables. I don't think this makes these people disgusting.

If you don't feel you (a conservative) can have a conversation with me (a liberal), then okay. But most news outlets are covering this. Even ones banned from press briefings.

 

[redwood66]

You said there was no coverage on this as a result of BIASED liberal media coverage, I offered you an example contesting that. Beyond that we haven't had a dialogue about it. I'm not being confrontational or argumentative. If you want to have a discussion about this, I'm open. I think it's a complicated situation with a lot of variables. I don't think this makes these people disgusting.

If you don't feel you (a conservative) can have a conversation with me (a liberal), then okay. But most news outlets are covering this. Even ones banned from press briefings.

And thank you for it because I would not have seen that on HuffPo. I can have a conversation that does not include snark or red herrings.

 

[telephone89]

And you still have not answered my question, how did you make this determination about bias? Because I am a conservative you assume it? The whole thing is a mess. The fact that I cannot find any liberal news outlet posting anything about the mess left behind is telling about their bias.

It was an assumption that you wouldn't bash a Katrina victim for leaving their dog behind. Has NOTHING to do with you being a conservative. I haven't heard anyone every bash a Katrina victim for leaving their pet behind during the evacuation. But here you are posting about these protesters leaving their pet. It was never about you not caring for animals. I should know better than to assume anything about anyone though. Perhaps you do feel the same hatred towards the Katrina victims for leaving their animals, in which case my point is a million times wrong. If you don't feel that way, then I think my post and points were still justified.

On a side, related ish note. I find this whole protest very weird. It was to stop this pipeline to protect the earth/drinking water. But people flew/drove in from all over the world, using fossil fuels. People built camps on the sacred land (and some burned them when leaving). Its like the point of the protest went out the window, which makes it so much less effective IMO.

 

[the_mother_thing]

Posted on Feb. 3, 2017: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s-army-corps-gives-eviction-notice-dakota-access-protest-n716686

In a statement Friday evening, the Corps said it would close the Oceti Sakowin Camp, which sits on approximately 50 acres of Corps land, on Feb. 22 due to the "high potential for flooding" in the low-lying area.

That is 19 days notice to gather your belongings (and pets!) & leave; hardly inadequate time. And that was after they were told the end of November the site would be closed Dec. 5th by the Corp.

In terms of the time it takes to 'relocate', I found, toured, inspected & bought a 3br home and moved ALL my belongings into it in 24 days. These were tents. "Adequate notice" argument - debunked.