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Vesper and Haven, thanks! I think the world of you both as very intelligent powerful women so it means a lot that we connected in some way!

I love this thread. It's brought up so many interesting thoughts and strong emotions.

Hahahahaha. I personally have no problem being called lazy. Yes, sometimes I am lazy! I will leisurely stroll along the Hudson River and feel the breeze and let the sun warm my soul while I thank God in my heart for being alive. It's AWESOME!!! If you call enjoying the simple pleasures in life lazy, I feel sorry for you. Life isn't about working every single moment of your life. Some people think it is, but I don't. Somehow, I don't think God put me on this planet just so that I could be a good employee somewhere.

Why do Americans have such guilt about enjoying themselves and savoring the art of leisure? Italians know how to do it. French know how to do it. We Americans live to work! We work work work and when we're not working, we're stressed about work or thinking about work or feeling guilty about not working enough. Then we drop dead early from stress or get overweight and carry fat around our middles from stress and no one's happy, are they?

Being a mom is tremendous and if you don't think your life will change, God bless you! There is an iron triangle of resources and there are only 24 hours in a day. Can't change that. Something will suffer if you overextend yourself. If you have to do it to support your family, then God bless you! That is truly amazing and noble. But if you're doing it so that you can have a bigger McMansion and are miserable inside, then don't take it out on the SAHMs! Let's face it. In this day and age, almost all jobs TAKE what they GIVE. Usually, they take more than they give nowadays. Super high salaries? SUPER DUPER HIGH STRESS, long hours, tons of sacrifices, premature aging and big big tolls on the health. Trust me. Some people are tougher than others and can tough it out. Some perversely like it. Most hate it but can't say goodbye to the prestige and the money. Ego, gotta love that nefarious entity that seeps into every pure intention and riddles it with doubt!

And a very rare few walk away free because they realize that life is MORE.

Don't get me wrong. I've busted my buns working for over 10 years since college building my career. Everything I put my hand to, I do it to the best of my ability and with all of my might. I do it with joy! Whether I am washing a dish or leading a team of people, I put all of my energy into it and make it great. Yes, you can even gain great satisfaction doing even the smallest things - if you have the right intention, all that you do is a privilege and opportunity to live for others. Making dinner for your family. Holding the elevator for someone. Inspiring others through your work. I try to put my heart and soul into whatever I do (big or small) and try to make it sing! If not, why do it at all? To do that requires a lot of inner peace and happiness on my part - and I have NO guilt or issues recharging my batteries to do so.

So I do feel that I have earned my just rewards and feel absolutely no guilt taking a break from work to raise a child or two. I can always make money. Anyway, how much money is enough? Are people who take a break from a decade of work to climb Mt. Everest lazy? Hahaha. Not in my book! Society is not my judge; I don't live for that. When I fall flat on my face are the judgy wudgy people going to give me a helping hand? Nope! All those people who admired me for my awesome job will probably be at my funeral going, "Ahhh, she worked herself to death...never enjoyed life, poor woman. Can't take all that money with her where she's going." Yeah. So to heck with trying to impress the people I meet at cocktail parties who don't matter. I wouldn't expect them to understand anyway because if they did, I'd call them friends. Besides, money doesn't impress the people who matter. Being a good person with a shining heart makes a lasting impression.

I know for sure that I didn't go to college so that one day I could have a boss and run in a maze carrying a workload that stressed me out, sapped my energy and weighed me down. I went to college to illuminate the darkest corners of my mind. And I did not build a career so that people would be impressed with my career. I did it because I found it meaningful, challenging and exciting. It was a great ride! Maybe I'll go back one day. Maybe I won't. :loopy:

As for the naysayers, they can just take one look at my smiling face and health and wonder what I'm doing that they're not doing. And the thing I'm doing is...following my bliss. Hey, that could be anyone - a working mom, a SAHM...whatever. But the point is, people can TELL if you're not happy doing what you're doing. It's no secret. It shows. So you might see a Superwoman who LOVES her career and is strong and powerful in her own right. Great! But you might have a different opinion because instead of Superwoman, you see a stressed out snappish lady looking about 10 years older than she should, too tired to take care of herself because she's over-extended. Same goes for Domestic Goddess. You might see a tired, bored, out of shape slug mama who feels no purpose in life because she never found the meaning in hers...or found her dreams. There are different types for both categories and successes and failures in both. You create your own story - that doesn't have to be your story.

I think perhaps there's insecurity on both sides for people who judge one group or the other. Maybe some SAHMs don't want to be, don't have any other option and never got to realize many of their dreams before motherhood came knocking. That is sad. Maybe some working moms would cross the desert on their knees to be able to spend time with their children and not have to Do It All...but aren't able to. That is also sad. We don't get EVERYTHING we want in life. Some people cope by bashing the ones they envy. It makes them feel better. Some just do it out of ignorance because they don't know better. Some SAHMs have never had careers so they think it's the greatest thing ever and envy those who have power and income. Some working moms are sick to death of the rat race but cannot fathom doing something as selfish as taking care of themselves first before being maxed out to family, home, kids and career. So much of what we THINK we want is an illusion anyway. Everything comes with a price. The only question is - can you afford the sacrifice and will it make you happy?

Women should support each other and enlighten each other. There is no capital "T" Truth out there. No one size fits all. We should always trade ideas and have healthy debate so we learn more about The Other Side. How does the grass over there taste, sister? Oh, it's pretty sweet but can be tough to chew? Thanks for sharing! My grass on this side is kind of bland at times but so refreshing in the morning it's delicious. LOL...It can only make us stronger. I think women can do tremendous harm to each other by being so divisive. No one wins and there are so many treasures we can share if we decide to do so. Just look at the Preggo, TTC or Newborn thread, for example! The most perfect threads out there! So much support and valuable info shared among intelligent caring superwomen. No one is insecure, competitive or judgy there. It's great! Wish all women were like that. The world would be a better place.

So that brings me to...and I must use slang here because it captures what I mean perfectly: if you do YOU right, you won't have to explain a THING. They'll know. People aren't blind. They can see the truth in you, shining from every inch of you. Are you living the life you dreamed of, are you doing the best with what you have... are you proud of yourself? Do you have self worth? That's what people are responding to. If *you're* ashamed to be a SAHM or if *you* feel guilty about being a working mom, then that's what people will pick up on and respond to. Life is too short to waste a day, weeks or even years feeling conflicted.

When we got pregnant, I cut way back on work. Ohhh, the first tri was brutal for me personally and I wanted a well deserved break. People ask me all the time, "WOW! What do you do all day? Don't you get bored?" I love answering this question. I tell them about the fun things I do with my time. I read! I dance! I do yoga! I go to classes - learning about spirituality and am also learning Spanish! I mentor college kids! I lounge in the park with my Kindle and watch foreign films when I feel like it. Oh! There are so many fun and neat things to do now.

And you know what? Every single person who asks me ends up saying wistfully, "You're so lucky. I wish I could do that."

Who knows what the future holds. Not every SAHM remains one. Some write books! Ever heard of JK Rowling? Some start businesses. Many go back to work with a new sense of purpose. Education and experience are never wasted - I mean, to even suggest that is ridiculous. Should women not be educated, then? Whatever! We're not robots and education isn't merely training for making widgets until we die. Has anyone seen today's US Jobs report? Hello, there aren't enough jobs for people right now. We need MORE education, not less. We need people to learn more and innovate in technology and environmental science. We need to learn how to become better people - and you learn that in college. Sorry, but I didn't learn how to be a good "job filler" or employee in college. I learned how to think for myself, see the world as a rich and diverse place and grow as a person.

In the end, it's all good.
 
Bliss,

Thank you for sharing your positive insights. I left my job due to health problems. I knew I would always have my degree to use, but that I would not always have my health. I do have twinges of regret because of my competitive personality (e.g. "argh, I could have been working on that interesting transaction"). That said, I am now a healthier and happier person. I am aware that I am fortunate to be able to take a break, and do charity work.

P.S. I practise yoga regularly. For all I know, we share a gym. But, manicures, pedicures and shopping are not part of my daily life -- my current 'work' is extremely hands on and frequently messy. :wavey:
 
tourmaline_lover said:
Danny are you asking if a woman is a housewife with children or without (I didn't read the whole thread, so I apologize if this was already addressed). I think there's a difference. Being a parent takes a lot of work, and I admire people that are stay at home parents, housewives or househusbands. I don't know what I would do as a housewife all day if I didn't have kids. If my husband was very wealthy, maybe I would shop a lot, however, for me, I would feel very unproductive. Maybe I would do charity volunteer work, or do something that helps society.

No, I'm not making that distinction. Others can, of course, but that wasn't my intention.
 
Very well put Bliss (I haven't had a chance to read each and every post yet). We made the decision for me to stay home with our son when he got sick as a newborn and the pediatrician said that we couldn't put him in daycare until he was at least a year old. We tried a nanny, but I wasn't comfortable with someone else in my home all of the time. So, I quit my job and have been home ever since (for the past 5.5 years). Like Bliss, I had spent 10 years building my career and loved what I was doing and more importantly, the people I worked with. Staying home was quite an adjustment for me, though I was incredibly busy, since I felt like I should be able to keep the house spotless, a gourmet dinner on the table and take care of our son.

Staying home with our children is the hardest, most rewarding job I've ever had. Are there days when I'd give my right arm to be back at my job, with adults to talk to and extra money in the bank? You bet. However, our son started kindergarten on Thursday and the pride I felt when he introduced himself to his teacher, shook her hand and went in to find his desk and cubby was overwhelming. I'm not even close to a "perfect" parent (I don't believe that's possible), but I've done my best and I'm proud of that. Knowing that my son (and daughter) are happy, well adjusted children gives me a sense of fulfillment. It's time that you can never get back and I would gladly make the same choice again.

Anyone who thinks a SAHM is lazy has never spent a day with children. I do not get my nails done (on rare occasion, I'll do them myself), if I go out to lunch, it's to Chick-Fil-A with the kids to meet and play with their friends. I don't get to go to the bathroom by myself, I never sit down and my "to-do" list is never done. I think someone said that no one is entirely happy with what they have and I think that's true. Most SAHM's who had careers miss them to some extent and I know that most working Moms wish that they could spend more time with their children. Nothing in life is perfect, it's what you make it and the key is to make it the best that you can for yourself and your family.
 
yennyfire said:
Anyone who thinks a SAHM is lazy has never spent a day with children.

I agree!! Thank you for your perspective on this Yenny.
 
I'm sorry if I have offended some of you, I am just telling it like I see it.

I know several woman personally who are 'housewives' and they are lazy. Their sole 'job' is to run the household?!?! WTH? I'm sorry, but I work 40 hours a week, study university parttime and still manage to do my 'housewife duties'. I can't fathom for a single minute how these woman can simply look after a house all day and call it work. Try throwing in 5 days a week 8.5 hours a day working, 10 hours travel a week, studing for a grad degree and then tell me you are busy.

If you want to stay home and not work that's fine with me. Good on ya if you can afford it, just don't try passing it off as a job.
 
heraanderson said:
honey22 said:
Housewife is just a nice name for a lazy person who can't be bothered working. I could never let my husband do all the working and earning and me just sitting at home on my backside.

The only exception to this is if I were a SAHM - totally different story!!! But once the kids are off to school, then it's time to start supporting the household IMO.

It's sad when we are having an intelligent dialogue and then someone comes in with an ignorant statement and ruins the conversation. :angryfire:

Ignorant statement? Just because it's not what you wanted to hear doesn't make it ignorant. An intelligent dialogue should include differing opinions not just keeping it all nice and sweet.

That's life, people are not always going to agree with you.
 
honey22 said:
heraanderson said:
honey22 said:
Housewife is just a nice name for a lazy person who can't be bothered working. I could never let my husband do all the working and earning and me just sitting at home on my backside.

The only exception to this is if I were a SAHM - totally different story!!! But once the kids are off to school, then it's time to start supporting the household IMO.

It's sad when we are having an intelligent dialogue and then someone comes in with an ignorant statement and ruins the conversation. :angryfire:

Ignorant statement? Just because it's not what you wanted to hear doesn't make it ignorant. An intelligent dialogue should include differing opinions not just keeping it all nice and sweet.

That's life, people are not always going to agree with you.
I don't mind differing opinions at all. What I mind is someone coming into a thread, with a huge chip on their shoulder, making assumptions on a group of people based on a tiny amount of information they have gathered from "several" people. I was once a sahw and I'll tell you that I was plenty busy. I went to school, I volunteered, I made all the meals, handled all the finances, investments,started a business etc. It probably doesn't measure up to your definition of contribution as you sound clearly overworked. I'm sorry about that. Many years ago, I had a similar schedule and when the company I worked for was sold, I became a sahw. That being said, I definitely enjoy it and my husband loves to come home to me.
I'm not necessarily angry at what you had to say, more about how you said it.
 
heraanderson said:
honey22 said:
heraanderson said:
honey22 said:
Housewife is just a nice name for a lazy person who can't be bothered working. I could never let my husband do all the working and earning and me just sitting at home on my backside.

The only exception to this is if I were a SAHM - totally different story!!! But once the kids are off to school, then it's time to start supporting the household IMO.

It's sad when we are having an intelligent dialogue and then someone comes in with an ignorant statement and ruins the conversation. :angryfire:

Ignorant statement? Just because it's not what you wanted to hear doesn't make it ignorant. An intelligent dialogue should include differing opinions not just keeping it all nice and sweet.

That's life, people are not always going to agree with you.
I don't mind differing opinions at all. What I mind is someone coming into a thread, with a huge chip on their shoulder, making assumptions on a group of people based on a tiny amount of information they have gathered from "several" people. I was once a sahw and I'll tell you that I was plenty busy. I went to school, I volunteered, I made all the meals, handled all the finances, investments,started a business etc. It probably doesn't measure up to your definition of contribution as you sound clearly overworked. I'm sorry about that. Many years ago, I had a similar schedule and when the company I worked for was sold, I became a sahw. That being said, I definitely enjoy it and my husband loves to come home to me.
I'm not necessarily angry at what you had to say, more about how you said it.


But it's ok for you to assume that I have a huge chip on my shoulder and that I am overworked. Seriously, where on earth did you get that idea from? You don't think that's a bit hypocritical that you get upset when I say housewives are lazy, but are happy to label me overworked.

FYI I don't have a huge chip on my shoulder. I love my job, love my studies and I enjoy the work/home balance I have for myself. I am stimulated intellectually with my job and learning. The times I have spent being at home (6 weeks between jobs) I was bored out of my mind and yes, I was lazy. Keeping the house clean and doing the bills, chores, shopping whatever just didn't fill in my day.
 
honey22 said:
I'm sorry if I have offended some of you, I am just telling it like I see it.

I know several woman personally who are 'housewives' and they are lazy. Their sole 'job' is to run the household?!?! WTH? I'm sorry, but I work 40 hours a week, study university parttime and still manage to do my 'housewife duties'. I can't fathom for a single minute how these woman can simply look after a house all day and call it work. Try throwing in 5 days a week 8.5 hours a day working, 10 hours travel a week, studing for a grad degree and then tell me you are busy.

If you want to stay home and not work that's fine with me. Good on ya if you can afford it, just don't try passing it off as a job.


Wow... maybe your standards for home, work, and relationships aren't very high? Sounds like you might be spread too thin to give anything your 110%.


Does your husband get to come home to the smell of homemade chocolate cake wafting from the oven? Do you even cook or do you eat out often? Do you take the time to sew missing buttons onto shirts? Do you make time to volunteer? Do you spend time making your house pleasant and homey so that friends and family will want to visit? Or do you just work hard on being miserable and judgmental so that no one will want to come see your home anyway?
 
oobiecoo said:
honey22 said:
I'm sorry if I have offended some of you, I am just telling it like I see it.

I know several woman personally who are 'housewives' and they are lazy. Their sole 'job' is to run the household?!?! WTH? I'm sorry, but I work 40 hours a week, study university parttime and still manage to do my 'housewife duties'. I can't fathom for a single minute how these woman can simply look after a house all day and call it work. Try throwing in 5 days a week 8.5 hours a day working, 10 hours travel a week, studing for a grad degree and then tell me you are busy.

If you want to stay home and not work that's fine with me. Good on ya if you can afford it, just don't try passing it off as a job.


Wow... maybe your standards for home, work, and relationships aren't very high? Sounds like you might be spread too thin to give anything your 110%.


Does your husband get to come home to the smell of homemade chocolate cake wafting from the oven? Do you even cook or do you eat out often? Do you take the time to sew missing buttons onto shirts? Do you make time to volunteer? Do you spend time making your house pleasant and homey so that friends and family will want to visit? Or do you just work hard on being miserable and judgmental so that no one will want to come see your home anyway?

Uh, guys? Seriously. This whole feuding with other chicks thing instead of, say, I dunno, taking down the patriarchy? RED HERRING.
 
One of my closest friends is a stay at home mom. They live in Westchester county, NY with some of the highest property taxes in the country. I know they struggle on one income. She always said how she'd go back to work once her daughter was in school, but somehow, it never happened.

I try not to judge her decision but I can't help it. It's even got to the point where everytime she'd complain about money, I would say, "get a job'. Of course there's always a reason why she won't. But they always sounded like excuses to me. It caused issues in our friendship so now she doesn't talk about her finances, and i don't comment on her excuses.

I think we all make judgements based on our own experiences right or wrong. Honey22 just had the nerve to say what many women (and even men) believe. The delivery might not have been the best, but it doesn't change the fact that many people agree.

Circe- I have no issues with women who don't work provided their families can live well off of one income.
By well I mean no struggling with the bills, and enough in their savings should the husband lose his job. But I'm sorry, I don't have any respect for women who won't work even part time, while their families are just getting by. Saying they have small children doesn't work for me once they're in school.
 
HotPozzum said:
This is a really interesting thread.

I'm glad most people seem to think so. I certainly didn't start it so that posters would have an excuse to be judgmental about other people's choices in life.
 
oobiecoo said:
Wow... maybe your standards for home, work, and relationships aren't very high? Sounds like you might be spread too thin to give anything your 110%.


Does your husband get to come home to the smell of homemade chocolate cake wafting from the oven? Do you even cook or do you eat out often? Do you take the time to sew missing buttons onto shirts? Do you make time to volunteer? Do you spend time making your house pleasant and homey so that friends and family will want to visit? Or do you just work hard on being miserable and judgmental so that no one will want to come see your home anyway?

Wow... and that's not judgmental at all. Two wrongs don't make a right, and rebuttals like these are JUST as accusatory and inflammatory.

And yes, my mum managed all that plus a full-time job, and I'm incredibly proud of her for it.
 
Yssie said:
oobiecoo said:
Wow... maybe your standards for home, work, and relationships aren't very high? Sounds like you might be spread too thin to give anything your 110%.


Does your husband get to come home to the smell of homemade chocolate cake wafting from the oven? Do you even cook or do you eat out often? Do you take the time to sew missing buttons onto shirts? Do you make time to volunteer? Do you spend time making your house pleasant and homey so that friends and family will want to visit? Or do you just work hard on being miserable and judgmental so that no one will want to come see your home anyway?

Wow... and that's not judgmental at all. Two wrongs don't make a right, and rebuttals like these are JUST as accusatory and inflammatory.

And yes, my mum managed all that plus a full-time job, and I'm incredibly proud of her for it.

I normally wouldn't say anything like that here on Pricescope but she REALLY pushed my buttons. Its one thing to mention that many housewives are lazy or that she could see the potential for them to be. But she generalized and said that ALL housewives ARE DEFINITELY lazy and refuses to admit that it might sometimes be otherwise. I can see that many working wives are able to manage a household too and that is very impressive so congratulations to your mom.

I just think someone needed to call her on her rudeness so I was just speaking a language that she would understand. Clearly a kind, open discussion does not appeal to her.
 
The problem is, how do we know if another family is simply "getting by" or not? Why accurate can it be if we apply standards of our own to another family? If we have no material desires such as diamonds and jewlry and fancy new cars, A LOT of families can get by with only one come. Who are we to judge how many adults per house hold SHOULD be making money?
 
zhuzhu said:
The problem is, how do we know if another family is simply "getting by" or not? Why accurate can it be if we apply standards of our own to another family? If we have no material desires such as diamonds and jewlry and fancy new cars, A LOT of families can get by with only one come. Who are we to judge how many adults per house hold SHOULD be making money?

If I keep hearing about money problems and the wife isn't working, yep I'm gonna judge. This doesn't have to do with me applying my standards to anyone else. More like common sense. Not enough money, get a job, and don't make excuses if the kids are in school.
 
Can I not be either? i just wanna win the 500m lottery, never work again, never have a kid, and just travel all day and have my household managed by gnomes. :naughty: I will also pay someone to take care of a animal sanctuary for abandoned pets.

my life goal is to fill up 15 passports by the time i'm 40... not gonna happen since i'm already 30 and only 3/15 of the way there!

I do wonder what i'll do w/ my jewelry since i dont have kids, but i figure my sister's and brother's future kids will take them off my hands...
 
ForteKitty said:
Can I not be either? i just wanna win the 500m lottery, never work again, never have a kid, and just travel all day and have my household managed by gnomes. :naughty: I will also pay someone to take care of a animal sanctuary for abandoned pets.

my life goal is to fill up 15 passports by the time i'm 40... not gonna happen since i'm already 30 and only 3/15 of the way there!

I do wonder what i'll do w/ my jewelry since i dont have kids, but i figure my sister's and brother's future kids will take them off my hands...

Hey I will join you on the world travel! :appl:

It is nice of you to want to pass your jewelry on to your nieces and nephews! The ones we have on DH's side of family are ungrateful spoiled children that I have no desire to give such personal items to them! Better use of them will be to sell them and use the money to donate to building a hospital or an university!
 
oobiecoo said:
honey22 said:
I'm sorry if I have offended some of you, I am just telling it like I see it.

I know several woman personally who are 'housewives' and they are lazy. Their sole 'job' is to run the household?!?! WTH? I'm sorry, but I work 40 hours a week, study university parttime and still manage to do my 'housewife duties'. I can't fathom for a single minute how these woman can simply look after a house all day and call it work. Try throwing in 5 days a week 8.5 hours a day working, 10 hours travel a week, studing for a grad degree and then tell me you are busy.

If you want to stay home and not work that's fine with me. Good on ya if you can afford it, just don't try passing it off as a job.


Wow... maybe your standards for home, work, and relationships aren't very high? Sounds like you might be spread too thin to give anything your 110%.


Does your husband get to come home to the smell of homemade chocolate cake wafting from the oven? Do you even cook or do you eat out often? Do you take the time to sew missing buttons onto shirts? Do you make time to volunteer? Do you spend time making your house pleasant and homey so that friends and family will want to visit? Or do you just work hard on being miserable and judgmental so that no one will want to come see your home anyway?

Or maybe I am just really freakin good at it?!
 
"I know this is overwhelmingly a group of women, so let me please ask a question that I'm curious about and please give me your candid answers!"

This was the OP's orginal question. It asked for candid answers and I gave them. Ok, I realise I have rubbed some up the wrong way and I am sorry that you feel that way, but I simply gave my opinion on the subject as asked.

If you are going to get upset with harsh or differing opinions on the topic, then why read even read the threadwhen you know there is a possibility that opinions might be different to yours. That's life, people are going to have different opinions to yours and you need to accept that.

I don't come on PS to upset people, I really enjoy being part of a community like this but I also give my honest opinions. I am entitled just like each and everyone of you to an opinion, it was asked for and I gave it.
 
I think for many people who work full time and run a house, it can be hard to understand how a sahw (without kids) fills all day every day. I've been a sahw for about 2 months previously, in between jobs, and I could not do it again. I was bored out of my tree. My house was spotless and there is only so much cleaning, baking etc that I could do daily. It would be different if we were very well off and I could afford to go shopping etc during the day, but we weren't at the time so I did find it pretty mundane. Now I'm in a similar position to honey in that I work full-time, attend college full-time and still have a clean homely home. We never ever have a ready meal, it's always cooked from scratch and my husband gets baked goods, freshly made by me weekly. It might be different if I ever have children and I may decide that I want to stay at home.
 
honey22 said:
"I know this is overwhelmingly a group of women, so let me please ask a question that I'm curious about and please give me your candid answers!"

This was the OP's orginal question. It asked for candid answers and I gave them. Ok, I realise I have rubbed some up the wrong way and I am sorry that you feel that way, but I simply gave my opinion on the subject as asked.

If you are going to get upset with harsh or differing opinions on the topic, then why read even read the threadwhen you know there is a possibility that opinions might be different to yours. That's life, people are going to have different opinions to yours and you need to accept that.

I don't come on PS to upset people, I really enjoy being part of a community like this but I also give my honest opinions. I am entitled just like each and everyone of you to an opinion, it was asked for and I gave it.

You're the one who expressed an opinion in a harsh, rude manner, basically stereotyping all married women without children (saying having children in school doesn't count) as, in your own words lazy, and you might as well have called them bums, and you did that in a thread about housewives where there are housewives posting. You pot "housewife" in quotes as if "housewife" meant scam. Do you really not understand why people would be upset by your, in your own words, harsh, and in my words, judgmental, and stereotyping post? So you can pass judgment on every married woman who doesn't work, unless they meet your requirement of having young children not in school? There are so many different variables in people's lives and the decisions they make, that I don't understand how you think you are in a position to pass judgment on all married women and whether they should work. All you had to do was read many posts in this thread from actual woman who don't work and you would have seen that you (probably without even reading these posts) were calling these women "lazy" and basically scammerss pretending to have jobs. I find it strange that you would express your opinions in such a hostile manner. I remember making very supportive posts because you couldn't wear your rings and very complimentary posts about your rings. Then you come into this thread and basically start calling people names. Yes, I wanted people to be candid. I wasn't thinking they would be rude.
 
Honey22, of course you are allowed to have an opinion and you are allowed to voice it. But it was the tone and the use of the word lazy to describe every.single.housewife without a small child in the house. I will tell you that my oldest starts kindergarten in a week and by the time I wait in carpool line both ways, I will have a grand total of 5.5 hours to get things done. It's not like it is a full day that they are gone unless you drop them off for before school care and after school care. Believe me, even if I didn't have a 6 month old at home to take care of as well, I could still find plenty of things that needed to be done in those 5.5 hours. And what about those housewives that run marathons or do triathlons...cause there's plenty that do, are they lazy? What about the women who volunteer their time in their community during those school hours, are they also lazy? Because many people that depend on the kindness of strangers that volunteer and organize/work at charity events would probably disagree with that. Like I said, it was just the tone and the blanket statement you made that rubbed people the wrong way.
 
Well said FL Steph.

Honey, I would agree with you that being a SAHW is very different from being a SAHM. I was a SAHW for about two weeks when my son was 2 weeks late being born and my boss had already hired someone to take over my responsibilites while I was on maternity leave. So, I was unexpectedly home. After raking the leaves (which took several hours), cleaning the house (including scrubbing the baseboards, vacuuming lamp shades, under sofa/chair cushions, etc.), organizing the closets, etc. I was bored, even though I was 42 weeks pg and could barely move, lol. Thank goodness the OB took pity on me and broke my water. My son was born 30 minutes (yes, you read that correctly) later. I definitely wasn't bored then, lol!

As a SAHM to two young children (my son started kindergarten this week and my daughter goes to a MMO program a few mornings a week), I have a total of 3 hours to myself a few mornings a week. I also volunteer at school and with a couple of other organizations and own my own small business (**edited by moderator. No business promotion on pricescope**). I try really hard to be with my kids when they're home, reading to/with them, playing games, cooking, doing art projects, etc. to stimulate their minds. That means that I have to get everything else done during my precious 3 hours to myself or after they go to bed. I spend most evenings from 8pm to 2am sewing, laundry etc.

I work more hours now than I ever did when I worked full time outside of our home. When I worked, my husband and I cleaned the house together, did the laundry together, etc. Now that I'm home, I do everything on my own (I'm not complaining, it's just the way it is). I do our finances, laundry, cooking, shopping, cleaning, building fences in the backyard, stripping wallpaper, replacing an old linoleum floor with tile and a million other things.

With all of this said, I STILL wouldn't judge a SAHW unless I knew her personally and knew that all she did all day was read books, watch TV and have her nails done. Making a blanket statement about ALL people in a certain category is incredibly judgemental and offensive. I can understand why people are upset.
 
I, for one, am not offended by the rude and judgmental posts on this thread, because whenever I see that type of meanness, I chalk it up to jealousy and a sour grapes attitude.

I have two small kids at home, but DH has told me before that if I never want to go back to work, I don't have to. We are fortunate enough to afford having only DH's income in our family, and still be comfortable. When I'm not taking care of my kids, I spend my time running, playing piano, reading books, and learning new recipes, because I love to cook. I love taking my boys to museums, concerts and cultural events. I am relaxed and happy in my life, and my DH loves the fact that he comes home to a happy wife. Of course if we needed the money I would happily go back to work, but since we don't, there's no need. I'm not going to apologize for having a successful husband and enjoying my life while raising my children.

I would also like to add that we are only two generations removed from a time where married women who "had to work" were pitied. Up until about 40 years ago, the standard amongst all but the lowest classes throughout history was that women didn't work outside the home. The idea that both partners "need" to work is an exceptionally new one in the scope of human history.
 
vespergirl said:
I, for one, am not offended by the rude and judgmental posts on this thread, because whenever I see that type of meanness, I chalk it up to jealousy and a sour grapes attitude.

I have two small kids at home, but DH has told me before that if I never want to go back to work, I don't have to. We are fortunate enough to afford having only DH's income in our family, and still be comfortable. When I'm not taking care of my kids, I spend my time running, playing piano, reading books, and learning new recipes, because I love to cook. I love taking my boys to museums, concerts and cultural events. I am relaxed and happy in my life, and my DH loves the fact that he comes home to a happy wife. Of course if we needed the money I would happily go back to work, but since we don't, there's no need. I'm not going to apologize for having a successful husband and enjoying my life while raising my children.
I would also like to add that we are only two generations removed from a time where married women who "had to work" were pitied. Up until about 40 years ago, the standard amongst all but the lowest classes throughout history was that women didn't work outside the home. The idea that both partners "need" to work is an exceptionally new one in the scope of human history.

Brava, Vesper! I couldn't agree more. I love reading all the differing viewpoints as well - and find some of them to be highly amusing. I'm surprised at some of the answers because most people I know consider SAHMs to be incredibly blessed.

My husband plans to retire early in life to spend time with his family and travel with me... is he lazy, too? No, I think he's lucky. We all aren't born to work ourselves to death. Life is to be lived and there's a big wide world out there. We worked hard to be where we are and if that's lazy, then Vive La Lazie! :appl:
 
I have to say, reading this thread has been very interesting. I never realized women could be so mean to one another. Wow.

ETA- Something that amuses me is that Iamdanny has been more respectful towards the SAHW than some of the ladies here. Kudos, Iamdanny.
 
sctsbride09 said:
I have to say, reading this thread has been very interesting. I never realized women could be so mean to one another. Wow.

ETA- Something that amuses me is that Iamdanny has been more respectful towards the SAHW than some of the ladies here. Kudos, Iamdanny.

You'll get the same reactions to breast v bottle too. I don't know what it is about women, I just don't. Depends on the personality I guess. 99% of the guff I get for being at home more and only working part-part time, comes from women. And almost ALL of that guff comes from women who stayed home and didn't work an outside job at all for 10-15 years, and get ticked b/c I'm unavailable to work more. Men, be they friends, relatives, casual conversation random people I meet, are the total opposite.
 
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