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Natalee Holloway Suspect suspected AGAIN!

"Scott Peterson Orange" is right.
Maybe it's just that they aren't adept at hair bleaching........
or disappearing.
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This latest development is.....well I have no words.

(CNN) -- Joran van der Sloot faces an arrest warrant on charges of extortion and wire fraud in Alabama, U.S. Attorney Joyce Vance said Thursday.

The charges are unrelated to van der Sloot's status as a suspect in the killing of a Peruvian woman.

The complaint alleges that van der Sloot tried to extort $250,000 from an individual in exchange for the location of the remains of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway and the circumstances surrounding her death, Vance said.
 
I''m sorry, but since when does bleach blonde (or orange) hair make you inconspicuous? I think he definitely loves attention, like luckystar said.
 
Maybe changing ones appearance is part of the excitement of being "on the run"
Especially if you are running in a taxi rather than driving a stolen car.
And come to think of it I don''t think he drives.
 
I have a theory about the orange hair: I think they KNOW they''re going to get caught, so they dye their hair orange to match the new wardrobe that they will soon receive courtesy of the state!
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Date: 6/3/2010 10:21:15 PM
Author: Irishgrrrl
I have a theory about the orange hair: I think they KNOW they''re going to get caught, so they dye their hair orange to match the new wardrobe that they will soon receive courtesy of the state!
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In Michigan it would be a perfect match for the jumpsuits and rubber sandals. But in Peru they may not be that fashion forward.
 
Let's not forget suspects are innocent until proven guilty, even if the crime was really really bad.
 
I just came across this interesting i nformation:

"Peru''s justice system runs under the Napoleonic code, which means it only has panels of judges to hear cases and not juries. Under the Napoleonic Code, a person is presumed guilty if arrested by the state after an investigation. Although the presumption of innocence is written into Peruvian law, the practice more closely follows that French tradition. "

``If there is evidence of guilt, the person must demonstrate he is innocent,'''' said attorney Martin Belaunde, president of Peru''s Bar Association. ``He isn''t guilty yet, but he is in a middle ground. There is still a presumption of innocence, but it is a weakened presumption.''''
 
Date: 6/4/2010 1:00:28 AM
Author: kenny
Let''s not forget suspects are innocent until proven guilty, even if the crime was really really bad.
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I agree. And if he is truly not guilty, then geez, does he have some bad luck.
 
Date: 6/3/2010 5:10:29 PM
Author: luckystar112
He was seen with the girl on camera in the hotel, and exited alone from the room 4 hours later. I can''t wait to hear his excuse for this one.


I honestly don''t think we will learn anything new about Natalee, and if we do we may as well just consider it a lie. The kid is a sociopath who LOVES the attention. That is why when the attention leaves him he suddenly comes up with a new story to get back in the spotlight (''It was the security guards'', ''Natalee was drunk and wandered off'', ''She fell off a balcony'', ''She was on cocaine''...etc.)


If he killed this new girl, I think that Natalee''s death most likely wasn''t an accident. I''m thinking murder. He just lucked out because he had his dad to help him and an ocean to dispose of the body in.
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I''m going to agree with everyone in that I think the kid is sociopathic and rather arrogant, and if he''s guilty of murdering Natalee, he will be judged when everything is said an done. But, Natalee wasn''t as wholesome as the media made her out to be.
 
Date: 6/4/2010 1:00:28 AM
Author: kenny
Let''s not forget suspects are innocent until proven guilty, even if the crime was really really bad.
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Let''s not forget that the belief/practice of "innocent until proven guilty" is an American thing. Not all other legal systems operate under that belief and I don''t believe Aruba follows the practice. And for what it''s worth, I think most people did think of him with that in mind the first time around (Americans anyway), we gave him the benefit of the doubt even though intuition said otherwise. Now however??? I''m not willing to be so generous.
 
"The U.S. system, based on English common law, holds that no one can be arrested unless authorities can show a judge there''s probable cause a crime was committed and the suspect did it.
Grand juries investigate and trial juries decide innocence or guilt in an adversarial process.



Aruba''s system is based on Dutch law, a descendant of the Napoleonic code.
In Aruba, a "reasonable suspicion" that someone knows about or is involved in a crime is all that''s needed for an arrest.
Magistrates investigate and judges determine guilt or innocence. There are no jury trials.
Parents and children are not required to testify against each other."
 
Date: 6/4/2010 8:21:37 AM
Author: Hudson_Hawk
Date: 6/4/2010 1:00:28 AM

Author: kenny

Let''s not forget suspects are innocent until proven guilty, even if the crime was really really bad.
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Let''s not forget that the belief/practice of ''innocent until proven guilty'' is an American thing. Not all other legal systems operate under that belief and I don''t believe Aruba follows the practice. And for what it''s worth, I think most people did think of him with that in mind the first time around (Americans anyway), we gave him the benefit of the doubt even though intuition said otherwise. Now however??? I''m not willing to be so generous.
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WWHHD turns into WWHHS and What she said.
 
I never gave this creep the benefit of the doubt. I followed the Natalee Holloway case 5 years ago and so did my dad. I vacationed with my parents many times, and when I was 17-18-19 maybe I wasn''t super wholesome, but I was a pretty good kid and my parents would have been devastated if something like this had happened to me, as well as if people said after the fact "but she wasn''t as wholesome as the media made her out to be anyway." Not being "wholesome" is not a reason to be roofie''d and murdered. I know a 250 lb. 6''5" man who just last year, at 34 years old, was roofie''d and raped. He plays music for a living, travels with a national act, and this happened to him. No one invites lunatics to rape and murder them with their "unwholesomeness."

This Van der Sloot character is total scum and I sincerely hope this is the end of his killing spree.
 
Date: 6/4/2010 4:32:18 AM
Author: pennquaker09

Date: 6/3/2010 5:10:29 PM
Author: luckystar112
He was seen with the girl on camera in the hotel, and exited alone from the room 4 hours later. I can''t wait to hear his excuse for this one.


I honestly don''t think we will learn anything new about Natalee, and if we do we may as well just consider it a lie. The kid is a sociopath who LOVES the attention. That is why when the attention leaves him he suddenly comes up with a new story to get back in the spotlight (''It was the security guards'', ''Natalee was drunk and wandered off'', ''She fell off a balcony'', ''She was on cocaine''...etc.)


If he killed this new girl, I think that Natalee''s death most likely wasn''t an accident. I''m thinking murder. He just lucked out because he had his dad to help him and an ocean to dispose of the body in.
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I''m going to agree with everyone in that I think the kid is sociopathic and rather arrogant, and if he''s guilty of murdering Natalee, he will be judged when everything is said an done. But, Natalee wasn''t as wholesome as the media made her out to be.
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Wholesome? I think she was a normal high school senior-experimenting with adult behavior and cutting loose. I''m pretty sure this could have happened to any girl in this situation. She couldn''t handle the drinking and I believe he gave her a date rape drug. If anything, being a trusting, good kid works agasinst you in a situation like this.
 
He is at this moment on his way back to Peru.
In an airplane and in handcuffs.
 
Date: 6/4/2010 10:22:09 AM
Author: monarch64
I never gave this creep the benefit of the doubt. I followed the Natalee Holloway case 5 years ago and so did my dad. I vacationed with my parents many times, and when I was 17-18-19 maybe I wasn't super wholesome, but I was a pretty good kid and my parents would have been devastated if something like this had happened to me, as well as if people said after the fact 'but she wasn't as wholesome as the media made her out to be anyway.' Not being 'wholesome' is not a reason to be roofie'd and murdered. I know a 250 lb. 6'5' man who just last year, at 34 years old, was roofie'd and raped. He plays music for a living, travels with a national act, and this happened to him. No one invites lunatics to rape and murder them with their 'unwholesomeness.'


This Van der Sloot character is total scum and I sincerely hope this is the end of his killing spree.
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I don't like to talk about this, because I've worked hard to put it in the past, but I happened to be raped barely a month into my senior year of high school. Definitely a life changing experience. Other than that, I will reiterate that I think Mr. van der Sloot is probably a sociopath, and I feel like my words are being read into a different way. Mountain Brook, AL is not that big of a city, and I've heard about this and her quite a bit. I don't think she in any way deserved what happened to her, but this was something not isolated to Aruba.
 
I don''t like to talk about this, because I''ve worked hard to put it in the past, but I happened to be raped barely a month into my senior year of high school. Definitely a life changing experience. Other than that, I will reiterate that I think Mr. van der Sloot is probably a sociopath, and I feel like my words are being read into a different way. Mountain Brook, AL is not that big of a city, and I''ve heard about this and her quite a bit. I don''t think she in any way deserved what happened to her, but this was something not isolated to Aruba.

I''m completely baffled. I am sorry about your personal situation and I wouldn''t expect to hear this blaming the victim stuff from someone who was herself a victim. Why did you bring up Natalie''s alleged lack of wholesomeness except with this intent?
Are you basing this on some line of gossip that came out of Mountain Brook? I thought we were, as a society, finally past the "she was asking for it" mentality.
 
Date: 6/4/2010 12:28:44 PM
Author: pennquaker09

I don''t like to talk about this, because I''ve worked hard to put it in the past, but I happened to be raped barely a month into my senior year of high school. Definitely a life changing experience. Other than that, I will reiterate that I think Mr. van der Sloot is probably a sociopath, and I feel like my words are being read into a different way. Mountain Brook, AL is not that big of a city, and I''ve heard about this and her quite a bit. I don''t think she in any way deserved what happened to her, but this was something not isolated to Aruba.
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Penn, I agree . . . it was a life-changing experience for me, too. And one that NO ONE deserves to go through, no matter how "wholesome" they are or aren''t.
 
I can''t say there is anything "good" about the situation, but there are indications things may actually end in justice this time. He got off before because of his father, who is now dead. And he didn''t kill just some Peruvian girl, her father is famous and well liked in Peru, so things don''t look like they did last time. Plus, the US may get him on extorsion, and we know he won''t get off here.
 
That''s not what I meant, and I''m going to apologize because I think I gave people the wrong idea. That''s just not the kind of person I am.
 
Date: 6/4/2010 11:59:55 PM
Author: pennquaker09
That''s not what I meant, and I''m going to apologize because I think I gave people the wrong idea. That''s just not the kind of person I am.
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Penn, thank you for the apology. I know you''re not that kind of person. It''s so easy to misunderstand words posted on a forum, so if I misconstrued what you said, I apologize too.
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Okay, I''m sorry too if I misunderstood. There''s a lot more evidence this time. They found the body in his room, for one.
 
Date: 6/4/2010 11:59:55 PM
Author: pennquaker09
That''s not what I meant, and I''m going to apologize because I think I gave people the wrong idea. That''s just not the kind of person I am.
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Penn--I know you''re not that kind of person. That''s why I didn''t quote your text when I wrote my response using that one line that lead me to write it. I wasn''t offended by your words, you just brought up something that needed to be addressed. You know as well as anyone that rapists don''t discriminate based on appearance or virtue, it''s a power thing and it can happen to anyone.

The media did spin the portrayal of Natalee in a very positive way and I''m SURE she did the same things lots of teenagers do and she likely was not perfect. That''s a sad reality of watching the news--ironically it is oftentimes NOT reality, but a story someone has written to get ratings and boost their own career. I think I see where you were going with the wholesome comment, is what I''m trying to say.
 
You guys don''t have to apologize. I think we all know that kids in suburbia are much different today than in the past, but Mountain Brook is kind of different. People refer to it as, "The Tiny Kingdom." Like, my folks still go to the country club on Sundays and the Social Register is still important. To me, it''s like you''re not living in Birmingham. The residents go to great lengths to insulate their children from it. But, I''m not even convinced that Birmingham is that bad.
 
Date: 6/5/2010 7:25:00 PM
Author: Irishgrrrl
An update.
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Thanks for posting this. This whole story makes me so upset. And I am usually an innocent til proven guilty type of person (even if it is an American thing), but come on. (And if he did not do it, wow he really does have bad luck as someone said). I had no idea about the (alleged) extortion of Natalie''s family, and if that is true, he really is very sick. I doubt this will give any new details about Natalie, but hopefully the killings will stop. It''s all just very sad.
 
Date: 6/4/2010 12:28:44 PM
Author: pennquaker09
Date: 6/4/2010 10:22:09 AM

Author: monarch64

I never gave this creep the benefit of the doubt. I followed the Natalee Holloway case 5 years ago and so did my dad. I vacationed with my parents many times, and when I was 17-18-19 maybe I wasn''t super wholesome, but I was a pretty good kid and my parents would have been devastated if something like this had happened to me, as well as if people said after the fact ''but she wasn''t as wholesome as the media made her out to be anyway.'' Not being ''wholesome'' is not a reason to be roofie''d and murdered. I know a 250 lb. 6''5'' man who just last year, at 34 years old, was roofie''d and raped. He plays music for a living, travels with a national act, and this happened to him. No one invites lunatics to rape and murder them with their ''unwholesomeness.''



This Van der Sloot character is total scum and I sincerely hope this is the end of his killing spree.
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I don''t like to talk about this, because I''ve worked hard to put it in the past, but I happened to be raped barely a month into my senior year of high school. Definitely a life changing experience. Other than that, I will reiterate that I think Mr. van der Sloot is probably a sociopath, and I feel like my words are being read into a different way. Mountain Brook, AL is not that big of a city, and I''ve heard about this and her quite a bit. I don''t think she in any way deserved what happened to her, but this was something not isolated to Aruba.
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I am very sorry to read that. No one should have to go through that.
 
Date: 6/5/2010 8:00:02 PM
Author: Should Be Studying

Date: 6/5/2010 7:25:00 PM
Author: Irishgrrrl
An update.
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Thanks for posting this. This whole story makes me so upset. And I am usually an innocent til proven guilty type of person (even if it is an American thing), but come on. (And if he did not do it, wow he really does have bad luck as someone said). I had no idea about the (alleged) extortion of Natalie''s family, and if that is true, he really is very sick. I doubt this will give any new details about Natalie, but hopefully the killings will stop. It''s all just very sad.
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No problem, SBS!
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And the highlighted portion is what REALLY disgusted me. I heard somewhere that they were the victims of extortion regarding how Natalee died and where her body is, but I didn''t know (until now) that he was the one who attempted to extort money from them. He truly has no conscience. It''s like it''s not enough for him that he took Natalee away from her family . . . he has to prey on their broken hearts, too.
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CNN Justice has the hotel surveillance video which is very clear.
They arrived together
They entered the room together
He left alone saying
"Don''t bother my girl"
 
Date: 6/5/2010 8:11:42 PM
Author: Irishgrrrl
Date: 6/5/2010 8:00:02 PM

Author: Should Be Studying


Date: 6/5/2010 7:25:00 PM

Author: Irishgrrrl

An update.
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Thanks for posting this. This whole story makes me so upset. And I am usually an innocent til proven guilty type of person (even if it is an American thing), but come on. (And if he did not do it, wow he really does have bad luck as someone said). I had no idea about the (alleged) extortion of Natalie''s family, and if that is true, he really is very sick. I doubt this will give any new details about Natalie, but hopefully the killings will stop. It''s all just very sad.
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No problem, SBS!
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And the highlighted portion is what REALLY disgusted me. I heard somewhere that they were the victims of extortion regarding how Natalee died and where her body is, but I didn''t know (until now) that he was the one who attempted to extort money from them. He truly has no conscience. It''s like it''s not enough for him that he took Natalee away from her family . . . he has to prey on their broken hearts, too.
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Yes, that is really just awful.
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