Mini-Revolution going on in Iran?

[diagem]

It seems a lot of Teherani''s are going wild in the streets after getting slapped in the face with the elections results...

Let see if they can push a change....
My hopes are with the revolutionaries..., keep pushing for your freedom

 

[Gypsy]

I wish. But I doubt it. The religious leader of the country has certified the results, giving their blessing to the fixed election. If the population rebells they will be facing the entire religious and political force of the country against them. And this is a country that is just limping toward recovery after decades of bloody war that decimated their population, especially their male population in their 20's and 30's. So your talking about a lot of women rebelling against the physical and ideological might of a mysogonistic regime. It would either have to be a huge revolution. Or it would indeed be 'mini' because anyone daring to participate would be immediately killed as an example and warning to others.

 

[diagem]

Date: 6/14/2009 4:56:37 AM
Author: Gypsy
I wish. But I doubt it. The religious leader of the country has certified the results, giving their blessing to the fixed election. If the population rebells they will be facing the entire religious and political force of the country against them. And this is a country that is just limping toward recovery after decades of bloody war that decimated their population, especially their male population in their 20''s and 30''s. So your talking about a lot of women rebelling against the physical and ideological might of a mysogonistic regime. It would either have to be a huge revolution. Or it would indeed be ''mini'' because anyone daring to participate would be immediately killed as an example and warning to others.

You are right..., the odds are against (big time)..., but could you imagine?

 

[Ellen]

This is interesting. But I''m not getting my hopes up, my instincts say it''s probably all for show.


THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE.

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran''s supreme leader ordered Monday an investigation into allegations of election fraud, marking a stunning turnaround by the country''s most powerful figure and offering hope to opposition forces who have waged street clashes to protest the re-election of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

 

[Viola]

I''ve followed a couple of twitter-pages today, internet and phone lines are shut down, so people report live through Twitter instead, (I hope it''s ok to post links, if not just tell me and I''ll edit them out)

www.twitter.com/iran09
www.twitter.com/oxfordgirl

 

[diagem]

Date: 6/14/2009 3:57:34 PM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 6/14/2009 4:56:37 AM
Author: Gypsy
I wish. But I doubt it. The religious leader of the country has certified the results, giving their blessing to the fixed election. If the population rebells they will be facing the entire religious and political force of the country against them. And this is a country that is just limping toward recovery after decades of bloody war that decimated their population, especially their male population in their 20''s and 30''s. So your talking about a lot of women rebelling against the physical and ideological might of a mysogonistic regime. It would either have to be a huge revolution. Or it would indeed be ''mini'' because anyone daring to participate would be immediately killed as an example and warning to others.

You are right..., the odds are against (big time)..., but could you imagine?

Six days since this post...

Can you imagine????

 

[DearBuddha]

While paying attention to everything happening in Iran, it struck me that this is an unbelievably sad but inspiring course of events. I''m not Iranian, but I don''t think one needs to be to empathize with what these people are going through. I think Iranians have displayed incredible courage and strength by standing up for their convictions and beliefs despite severe repercussions.

This article/video is extremely disturbing to watch, as it depicts a girl dying violently. I''m warning you before you click the link because I saw it with my husband, and I just couldn''t help but start crying. It''s not for sensitive people.

I''m sharing it because it''s so important in helping us see what''s really going on over there. Iran is being forced to accept the results of a rigged election, and they''re being beaten and slaughtered for reacting negatively. It doesn''t help that the Iranian government is incapable of being open and honest about what they''re doing to their own people.

I''m really hoping something positive comes from this revolution, but I have the feeling we''re going to see many more incidents like the one in the link before something changes.


Final Warning: Extremely Graphic
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/21/iran.woman.twitter/index.html

 

[Gypsy]

Date: 6/20/2009 4:12:38 PM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 6/14/2009 3:57:34 PM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 6/14/2009 4:56:37 AM
Author: Gypsy
I wish. But I doubt it. The religious leader of the country has certified the results, giving their blessing to the fixed election. If the population rebells they will be facing the entire religious and political force of the country against them. And this is a country that is just limping toward recovery after decades of bloody war that decimated their population, especially their male population in their 20's and 30's. So your talking about a lot of women rebelling against the physical and ideological might of a mysogonistic regime. It would either have to be a huge revolution. Or it would indeed be 'mini' because anyone daring to participate would be immediately killed as an example and warning to others.

You are right..., the odds are against (big time)..., but could you imagine?

Six days since this post...

Can you imagine????

Yes. I can now. It's so painful to be hoping for something to happen which causes so much pain to so many (like the woman in that video). And the leader they voted for, he's also a conservative. And if Iran's history repeats itself. IF this revolution suceeds, and the new leader is installed. He will betray those who got him into power, fearing them. And put them to death as enemies to the state. And then solidify his own base as yet another tyrant. Sorry I'm a cynic. I hope that the revolution is a TRUE sucess. That the people get a true and lasting voice in their government, and that their government becomes subject to their will, and stays that way. And that this leader doesn't decide, once he's fermented a revolution and won power, that the revolutionary forces are now a threat to HIS rule, and therefore must be eliminated.

 

[AGBF]

Date: 6/23/2009 2:00:20 PM
Author: Gypsy

And if Iran's history repeats itself. IF this revolution suceeds, and the new leader is installed. He will betray those who got him into power, fearing them. And put them to death as enemies to the state. And then solidify his own base as yet another tyrant.

There are rumors that the only reason that there is a division among the ruling clerics is that the Ayatollah Ali Khameini (the supreme leader), who has lung cancer, wants to install his son, Mojtaba Khameini, as the next supreme leader while former presiident, Hashemi Rafsanjani, is hoping to be made the next supreme leader himself. That may not be true. There are other analyses of what is behind Mr. Rafsanjani's ostenible support of Mr. Mousavi. (See article.) Whatever the reality of the struggles going on behind the scenes among the ruling clerics, however, it is clear that none of the principals has any notion of giving up a theocracy. All of them agree on the principle of a theocracracy and an Islamic republic. I do not see how that can co-exist with democracy, so I am inclined to share Gypsy's cynical view of the situation. I find it very sad.

AGBF

 

[AGBF]

Wyclef Jean has recorded this Emergency Concert For Iran which is posted on YouTube. It seems to have instantly become an international phenomenon. As has the color green and Neda.

AGBF

 

[diagem]

Date: 6/23/2009 2:00:20 PM
Author: Gypsy

Date: 6/20/2009 4:12:38 PM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 6/14/2009 3:57:34 PM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 6/14/2009 4:56:37 AM
Author: Gypsy
I wish. But I doubt it. The religious leader of the country has certified the results, giving their blessing to the fixed election. If the population rebells they will be facing the entire religious and political force of the country against them. And this is a country that is just limping toward recovery after decades of bloody war that decimated their population, especially their male population in their 20''s and 30''s. So your talking about a lot of women rebelling against the physical and ideological might of a mysogonistic regime. It would either have to be a huge revolution. Or it would indeed be ''mini'' because anyone daring to participate would be immediately killed as an example and warning to others.

You are right..., the odds are against (big time)..., but could you imagine?

Six days since this post...

Can you imagine????

Yes. I can now. It''s so painful to be hoping for something to happen which causes so much pain to so many (like the woman in that video). And the leader they voted for, he''s also a conservative. And if Iran''s history repeats itself. IF this revolution suceeds, and the new leader is installed. He will betray those who got him into power, fearing them. And put them to death as enemies to the state. And then solidify his own base as yet another tyrant. Sorry I''m a cynic. I hope that the revolution is a TRUE sucess. That the people get a true and lasting voice in their government, and that their government becomes subject to their will, and stays that way. And that this leader doesn''t decide, once he''s fermented a revolution and won power, that the revolutionary forces are now a threat to HIS rule, and therefore must be eliminated.

Not cynic..., realistic...

Its not a revolution yet..., and the elections were just the trigger..., they (the younger generation) are smelling the freedom just around the corner..., the big question is..., are they ready to die for it??? Are they hungry enough??? They are going to need to be to beat this evil

!

Only time will tell...
One thing is for sure, the leadership as it exists now (either one) is slowly becoming irrelevant..., and the part of the world who didn''t want to face this music is running out of excuses!!!

The world must prioritize and stop Iran''s nuclear plans at ALL costs...

 

[chrono]

It is very hopeful yet sad at the same time. I''m not sure how strongly the people feel about it now knowing that the religious government is not above harming their own population.

 

[Gypsy]

Date: 6/23/2009 3:52:03 PM
Author: AGBF
All of them agree on the principle of a theocracracy and an Islamic republic. I do not see how that can co-exist with democracy,

I said this exact same thing. Verbatim today, Deb. IMO they replaced a monarchy with a theocracy last time they revolted (exchanging one tyrant for another) and now are either going to fail or repeat the more of the same. I do not see how a theocracy can co-exist with a democracy. Ultimately, someone has to have the power... if it's the people, then politically at least, the clerics must be subject to their rule, and if if it's the clerics, then the people do not truly have a voice. It's sad. It would be be truly interesting to see if they COULD meld a theocracy with a democracy, into a system of checks and balances where perhaps the clerics are like our supreme court. But that would take REMARKABLE leadership, vision, and will. It's also a fantasy, at least now.

The only thing that can break this cycle short of that, IMO, is breaking the theocratic rule of the clerics, and giving power to the people, and allowing them to shape their state as they wish... with their sect of Islam as the state religion, but removed from the political process. And I just don't see that happening here. I think it may happen in time. But in this place, and at this time. No. Mousavi is not going to do it. The best they can hope for if Mousavi 'wins' is that he his a man of conscience that will not betray his supporters, emprisioning them and torturing them, then ultimately slaughtering them like Khomeni did. And that he will be able to, within the confines of the theocracy, make the country more economically and politically viable internationally.

Diagem, about the nukes? Frankly North Korea terrifies me.