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Michigan School Shooter’s Parents Facing Charges

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Calliecake

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I’m curious to hear people’s thoughts on this. A press conference is being held right now with the Oakland County Prosecutor .
 
With the info known right now,
if the gun was bought ‘for him’
if the parents were aware of his angst/troubles
if the parents didn’t keep it where the kid couldnt have unlimited access to both the gun and bullets

yes I think charges to the parents are valid.

i think we will also find out soon the immediate school system knew more than we think they did about this kid, at this point.

what an awful situation.
 
I'd like to give the parents of the children killed by their son 30 minutes alone with this couple in a soundproof room, and let the chips fall where they may, no questions asked. Alternatively, I think they should be sterilized because they're clearly not fit to be parents. If there are other children in the home they should be removed for their own good and raised by people with brains.

My thoughts on the matter would best be described as draconian. I have not one ounce of pity for them.

I'll leave others to the thoughts and prayers.
 
not enough information.
I could support charges under some conditions.
That it was just purchased really bugs me.
How much did they know of their sons troubles before they bought it?
If they knowingly introduced then failed to secure a firearm while knowing their son was deeply troubled I support charges.
 
I think charges are appropriate. The story shaping up is that the shooter had issues. (No surprise there.) For these people to hand a deadly weapon to a troubled individual absolutely makes them complicit in the ensuing crime, in my humble opinion. We'll see if the courts agree.
 
Given the information the school had, how on earth was there not a police officer in the room when the discussion was had with the parents? Why was his backpack and locker not checked immediately?

The parents knew their child had serious issues when they walked out of that school meeting What sane parents leave their child at school after that meeting??? I blame the parent’s just as much as I blame the kid who killed the people.

@Karl_K , All the information was laid out in the meeting for the parents to see. What information do you feel is missing?
 
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@Karl_K , All the information was laid out in the meeting for the parents to see. What information do you feel is missing?
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Where is the transcript of that meeting?
I see that more info has been released since my post, but I still dont see a timeline of who knew what and when.
What did they know at the time the firearm was purchased?

That school officials let him back into class is on them not the parents. If the school sent him back to class why would the parents even think to argue about it?
 
I think if more parents faced charges in these situations then maybe parents would be more responsible with their fire arms. Especially because they knew that their son was having issues at school. I would never leave a fire arm unlocked and outside of a safe. My kids do not have access to the safe. I am hyper vigilant about safety because I was trained correctly. It always concerns me that so many people leave guns out for kids to access. This is why it should be harder to own/posses a fire arm.
 
The parents seem negligent. They were told of that troubling drawing and ordered to get him counseling and he was allowed back in class. So to me the school also seems negligent. I’m very curious as to how he was allowed back in class that day but that information to my knowledge has not been released. Also, I can’t figure out the timeline and it’s not clear when I try to read about it. Did the kid shoot up the school the same day that he was allowed back in class? Or was it days later? I cannot figure it out. The text message that his mother sent is abhorrent. “LOL I'm not mad at you. You have to learn how to not get caught."
 
Now the shooter’s parents are missing. The police and the FBI are searching for them. It was obvious the parents were sitting in a car during the court hearing yesterday. They could be anywhere now and are on the run. The parents knew they were about to arrested. Why didn’t the police have them under surveillance?

@Mreader , I’m pretty sure the kid shot the students the same day the parents had the meeting with the school. I believe I read it was an hour and a half after the meeting. The father called the police and said the gun was missing when he heard there was a shooting at the school.

@Karl_K, I haven’t seen a transcript for the meeting. The parents are awful people. I’m trying to figure out why the school didn’t refuse to let him back in the classroom until he was evaluated by a mental health professional. There were so many red flags and this kids parents ignored them.
 
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If the parents knew and allowed access to firearms then they should be charged. But I'm of the opinion that parents should be charged or held responsible for lots of stuff their kids do. Too many parents have awful kids who cause mayhem and destruction without repercussions.
 
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They parents are missing now??? Omg!
 
Here in Australia we can only look on with jaws open.
Parents buying a 15 year old a hand gun for Christmas?
I know many Americans are determined to hold onto their “right to own and carry guns” but seriously……
Thousands and thousands of people needlessly die every year because ordinary people can own guns.
You have toddlers killing their mother as she drives the car, young children shooting themselves, their siblings, their cousins because one of them found a gun in a drawer.
People driving along the Highway minding their own business, shot and killed.
People waiting too long for the McDonalds or KFC, getting angry and shooting someone.
Argument in the packing lot, someone cuts into the line of traffic, bang bang and people die.
AND WORST, policeman who should be the ones upholding the law are “trigger happy” and that’s because any hand moving could mean a gun is about to be produced so they shoot before they get shot.
An Australia woman was shot and killed by police in America for merely doing what Australians do. When you call the police you wait for them and when the police car arrives you approach them to provide information “I called you, the problem / issue is over there”.
Cant people understand that if everyone has a gun, no one is safe.
You say you have to have a gun to protect your home and family from intruders and criminals but all those intruders and criminals also have a gun. So instead of just getting your TV or handbag stolen (not good of course) you end up killing someone or they, in panicked desperation, shoot you.
If you’re a sports hunter or farmer, here in Australia, sure you can have a gun. Certainly not a handgun or semi automatic weapon.
Nothing will change in America regarding guns and gun ownership.
So nothing will change in relation to thousands and thousands of people being shot and killed unnecessarily each year and the tens of thousands of relatives, friends, classmates, whose lives are forever changed by those gun deaths.
 
Calliecake said:
Now the shooter’s parents are missing. The police and the FBI are searching for them. It was obvious the parents were sitting in a car during the court hearing yesterday. They could be anywhere now and are on the run. The parents knew they were about to arrested. Why didn’t the police have them under surveillance?

@Mreader , I’m pretty sure the kid shot the students the same day the parents had the meeting with the school. I believe I read it was an hour and a half after the meeting. The father called the police and said the gun was missing when he heard there was a shooting at the school.

@Karl_K, I haven’t seen a transcript for the meeting. The parents are awful people. I’m trying to figure out why the school didn’t refuse to let him back in the classroom until he was evaluated by a mental health professional. There were so many red flags and this kids parents ignored them.
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It looks like the local sheriff wasn’t told in advance of the charges actually being administered.
So the blame game starts.

I’m sure the mother, being a real estate broker - if that is accurate, puts their eyes on her having access to finding and locating unoccupied remote cabins which are aplenty in Michigan.

That and I assume research is already under way of their purchases over the past few years. To see if they are preppers and to what degree. And if they can find that stash still in the family home. If it’s missing - it points to something.
 
They should be charged in this case. They supported and encouraged him. She even sent messages to him jokingly reprimanding him for getting caught. They gave him this gun as an early Christmas present(mom showed that off on her Twitter)- to a 15 year old they knew was troubled. Knowing his background of behavior they gave him something that he didn't have the capacity of appropriate modulation of emotion to handle. He spent some time showing it off on Social Media and then left a cryptic public threats. He brought it with him to the meeting with the principal/parents. Then he used it.
Now it seems the parents are on the lam. They help prove their culpability by fleeing. They know.


* sometimes good people try their best to raise a child, get them the help they can/need and try to keep them from weapons or other means to harm others. Sometimes despite all these things the child finds their own means to carry out their will, despite best efforts. I can't blame all parents for the effect of their children.
We can in this case, though. That's clear.
 
Live news conference -- kid had the gun the day his parents were called to school; parents failed to search his backpack and left the school, later that day, mom texted to Ethan "don't do it" and at some point -- I can't remember if it was before or after mother texted kid -- the dad called police to report gun missing.
 
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Did the kid shoot up the school the same day that he was allowed back in class? Or was it days later? I
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yes, he did. From what I heard the parents asked the school to let him stay that day, and the school agreed to do that. The parents and the school are both at fault in my mind. The parents for what I feel is complicity and the school, for negligence, at a minimum. I'm not a gun person and this b.s. is one (among many) of the reasons why.
 
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yes, he did. From what I heard the parents asked the school to let him stay that day, and the school agreed to do that. The parents and the school are both at fault in my mind. The parents for what I feel is complicity and the school, for negligence, at a minimum. I'm not a gun person and this b.s. is one (among many) of the reasons why.
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Wow. I can’t believe the parents were called to discuss the drawing, knowing they had bought him a gun, and did nothing. That’s unconscionable.
 
Plenty of Americans watching this horror show unfold with jaws wide open too @Bron357. :eek-2:
 
So I guess we are just going to have another insane gun catastrophe every day in the USA as the new "normal." Like so much else that's happened here in recent years, it is surreal.
 
What on earth could these parents have possibly been thinking? I knew someone who gave her son a gun for Christmas at about that same age. It wasn't like he ever even went hunting or anything and in my opinion, he was also immature, impulsive and somewhat anti-social at the time.

I always thought she was a little unbalanced anyway but all I could think of for a possible motivation was her maybe wanting to feel like the super cool mom and/or make her son overjoyed to find such a tough, grown-up gift under the tree? Fortunately, that one did not lead to tragedy but wow, abysmal judgment call there.
 
This happened about 20 minutes away from where we live. There have been so many "copycat" threats (I wonder how many were real though, as a "hit week" has been discussed on social media involving several shooters in various places), that most school districts in the area have been closed since Tuesday. My son is in high school, and a student from his school was named as one of the members of this group. He's understandably terrified to go back to school on Monday, despite the police having cleared the named student of any wrongdoing. Hits a little too close to home for me. I can't imagine what the parents of the kids that were killed are going through.
 
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This happened about 20 minutes away from where we live. There have been so many "copycat" threats (I wonder how many were real though, as a "hit week" has been discussed on social media involving several shooters in various places), that most school districts in the area have been closed since Tuesday. My son is in high school, and a student from his school was named as one of the members of this group. He's understandably terrified to go back to school on Monday, despite the police having cleared the named student of any wrongdoing. Hits a little too close to home for me. I can't imagine what the parents of the kids that were killed are going through.
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Was the threat(s) that were deemed unsubstantiated by the school the week before the shooting, the ‘hit week’ social media rumors/comments?
Or were the ‘hit week’ social rumor/comments after the shooting?(that they are now calling copy cat threats)
Still troubling, either way. Just curious.

The no snitching rule for serious things has been glorified in entertainment too long. Snitch away, kids. Snitch away.
 
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