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KimberlyH

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While the idea of judging others is one we as a society like to naysay, we make judgements every day. It is how we determine who we are friends with, who we admire, who we won''t associate with, who we like, who we emulate, who we detest, etc.

So when is it acceptable to you to pass judgement on others? And when is it not and why?
 
I think its "acceptable" to pass judgment when you have all of the necessary facts to make an intelligent assessment about the person/situation. I think most of the time people get in trouble for making judgment calls when they don''t have all of the facts.
 
Date: 6/25/2009 8:35:18 PM
Author: fiery
I think its ''acceptable'' to pass judgment when you have all of the necessary facts to make an intelligent assessment about the person/situation. I think most of the time people get in trouble for making judgment calls when they don''t have all of the facts.
This is very well said! I also think we make decisions or determinations about people and situations - not necessarily judgements. We can just decide that they aren''t the people or situations for us and steer clear. What those people continue doing is their own business - as long as it doesn''t directly affect me.
 
Date: 6/25/2009 8:35:18 PM
Author: fiery
I think its ''acceptable'' to pass judgment when you have all of the necessary facts to make an intelligent assessment about the person/situation. I think most of the time people get in trouble for making judgment calls when they don''t have all of the facts.
But is it really trouble when all that is done with educated guesses is to choose not to like or admire a person? The only person who is potentially missing out is the person who has passed judgement. And I think it''s impossible to ever have all of the facts.
 
Date: 6/25/2009 8:40:44 PM
Author: MissGotRocks

Date: 6/25/2009 8:35:18 PM
Author: fiery
I think its ''acceptable'' to pass judgment when you have all of the necessary facts to make an intelligent assessment about the person/situation. I think most of the time people get in trouble for making judgment calls when they don''t have all of the facts.
This is very well said! I also think we make decisions or determinations about people and situations - not necessarily judgements. We can just decide that they aren''t the people or situations for us and steer clear. What those people continue doing is their own business - as long as it doesn''t directly affect me.
Symantics. decisions and determinations are judgements, veiled by another word because society has determined/judged that "judgement" is negative.

And if a person is harming another person and it doesn''t affect you than it doesn''t matter? I''m asking because I don''t really think that''s what you mean by that statement.
 
Date: 6/25/2009 8:41:25 PM
Author: KimberlyH
But is it really trouble when all that is done with educated guesses is to choose not to like or admire a person? The only person who is potentially missing out is the person who has passed judgement. And I think it''s impossible to ever have all of the facts.
That is very true. I don''t think there is ever anything wrong with making a judgment for yourself when it comes to who to admire or who to like. That''s a personal choice that doesn''t need to be discussed with anyone. I guess the trouble comes in when you voice your opinion about that person to others. Your judgment becomes part of their assessment if that makes any sense.

FYI i think its totally normal to meet someone and judge them based on whatever and make a decision to like/not like someone.
 
Date: 6/25/2009 8:45:30 PM
Author: fiery

Date: 6/25/2009 8:41:25 PM
Author: KimberlyH
But is it really trouble when all that is done with educated guesses is to choose not to like or admire a person? The only person who is potentially missing out is the person who has passed judgement. And I think it''s impossible to ever have all of the facts.
That is very true. I don''t think there is ever anything wrong with making a judgment for yourself when it comes to who to admire or who to like. That''s a personal choice that doesn''t need to be discussed with anyone. I guess the trouble comes in when you voice your opinion about that person to others. Your judgment becomes part of their assessment if that makes any sense.

FYI i think its totally normal to meet someone and judge them based on whatever and make a decision to like/not like someone.
But shouldn''t people be intelligent enough to recongize that it is just an opinion and form their own based on the knowledge they have? My husband has a friend I''m not fond of, but she has been a good friend to him so I tolerate her. He knows how I feel about her and is aware of her faults but it doesn''t color his view, nor should it.
 
Date: 6/25/2009 8:49:45 PM
Author: KimberlyH

Date: 6/25/2009 8:45:30 PM
Author: fiery


Date: 6/25/2009 8:41:25 PM
Author: KimberlyH
But is it really trouble when all that is done with educated guesses is to choose not to like or admire a person? The only person who is potentially missing out is the person who has passed judgement. And I think it''s impossible to ever have all of the facts.
That is very true. I don''t think there is ever anything wrong with making a judgment for yourself when it comes to who to admire or who to like. That''s a personal choice that doesn''t need to be discussed with anyone. I guess the trouble comes in when you voice your opinion about that person to others. Your judgment becomes part of their assessment if that makes any sense.

FYI i think its totally normal to meet someone and judge them based on whatever and make a decision to like/not like someone.
But shouldn''t people be intelligent enough to recongize that it is just an opinion and form their own based on the knowledge they have? My husband has a friend I''m not fond of, but she has been a good friend to him so I tolerate her. He knows how I feel about her and is aware of her faults but it doesn''t color his view, nor should it.
That''s the key word. People shouldn''t base their opinion on what others have said to them but at least what I have found is that people usually always do this. If someone says something about another person or an experience with that person, it sticks especially if its negative. It''s unfortunate but it happens all the time.
 
Date: 6/25/2009 9:00:04 PM
Author: fiery


Date: 6/25/2009 8:49:45 PM
Author: KimberlyH



Date: 6/25/2009 8:45:30 PM
Author: fiery




Date: 6/25/2009 8:41:25 PM
Author: KimberlyH
But is it really trouble when all that is done with educated guesses is to choose not to like or admire a person? The only person who is potentially missing out is the person who has passed judgement. And I think it's impossible to ever have all of the facts.
That is very true. I don't think there is ever anything wrong with making a judgment for yourself when it comes to who to admire or who to like. That's a personal choice that doesn't need to be discussed with anyone. I guess the trouble comes in when you voice your opinion about that person to others. Your judgment becomes part of their assessment if that makes any sense.

FYI i think its totally normal to meet someone and judge them based on whatever and make a decision to like/not like someone.
But shouldn't people be intelligent enough to recongize that it is just an opinion and form their own based on the knowledge they have? My husband has a friend I'm not fond of, but she has been a good friend to him so I tolerate her. He knows how I feel about her and is aware of her faults but it doesn't color his view, nor should it.
That's the key word. People shouldn't base their opinion on what others have said to them but at least what I have found is that people usually always do this. If someone says something about another person or an experience with that person, it sticks especially if its negative. It's unfortunate but it happens all the time.
My husband says that my problem is I expect too much of others, when in fact people are sheep. I'd like to believe differently.
 
HAHA to the sheep comment

But hey at least you can confident knowing that the people you do admire are people that aren''t like sheep!
 
Date: 6/25/2009 9:12:10 PM
Author: fiery
HAHA to the sheep comment

But hey at least you can confident knowing that the people you do admire are people that aren''t like sheep!
Oh it''s not funny, it''s sad. Thanks for having an open conversation with me about this. I know it can be a hypersensitive topic but I find it interesting that society is obsessed with not judging anyone, I think it''s done us more harm than good.
 
I think it''s important not to jump to conclusions or listen to gossip. If I hear that someone did something from someone else what I will do is face that person and ask them about it if I think it is serious enough.

But you have to make judgments. Everybody does make judgments actually--you can''t help making judgments, it''s part of being alive. what you have to do is make sure they are based on the right criteria.

The example I am thinking of, as you ask this question is something that happened to me about five years ago. there was this couple I was close to, very good friends. Very charming husband, hardworking, good father to his children and step-children (in apparence), had a wife that I sort of liked but who seemed very whiny and complainy and not into doing her duty as a mother (as I saw it).

It turned out that the ''nice'' husband, my good friend, was a child abuser of the worst sort. He was a predatory sex offender who had been having sex with the step-daughter since she was nine years old. the wife was actually ''whiny'' because she sensed something was off but didn''t know what and the guy was playing with her mind so that he could get to the daughter. It was like Lolita (I HATE that book--the subject is NOT funny) in real life.

As I am writing this, I realize that I had made judgments about the wife (''whiny'' etc) without having all the information. I never saw anybody react so fact as she did once she was in possession of the facts (I won''t go into how she found out, but there was no doubt, and the husband also confessed to everything at once). she got the child out of his hands at once by moving out, gave up a nice middle-class lifestyle to live very much on the edge and in poverty for the next couple of years and in all sorts of difficulty, that I also won''t go into. Let''s just leave it as it is surprising how much slack a known child molestor can get from the judicial system when he is prepossessing, middle-class and well-spoken. (The guy has to this day never served jail time, I kid you not.)

the daughter is fine, now in high school and doing well, the mother has remarried and is doing well also.

Do I judge the child molestor? Yes, I do. and I think this is the correct kind of judgment. I have heard all kinds of things since which explain why he became a child molestor--suffice it to say that his life as a child was no picnic. But I still don''t think this excuses anything. I could not have him as a friend anymore, I just want to vomit when I think about him, I have been in situations where I have run into him and I have got to the point where I can sort of wave hello, but I can''t have a conversation with him. I feel like the person that I thought I knew never actually existed, only thi s dangerous lunatic pretending to be that person. I would feel that there was a definite responsibility to warn anyone I knew who had daughters of his preferred age that was brining them around him.

I would feel that I had to forgive him if I had been the one he molested, in order to go on with my life and not think about him, but that ''forgiveness'' would not mean that I had to be around him at all, or not prosecute him for what he did (partly for the protection of others but also because there should be such a thing as justice). As it is, I feel I have no right to forgive him for the little girl who was harmed, it''s her thing to work through and in cases like this, I just really believe that the victim(s) are the people whose rights ought to be protected, not the criminals. We spend a lot of time not judging and protecting criminals in this country.
 
Being aware of people''s strengths and weaknesses is one thing. Actively seeking out weaknesses or oddnesses, judging people to be less than (me, usually
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), focusing on just the things I don''t like instead of seeing people as a whole, that''s a whole other thing.

I was raised around a lot of "recreational criticism" and tsk-tsk ing. "Live and let live" was kind of a foreign notion in my family. I still remember (sort of) clearly one day when I was chatting with a co-worker in the break room, commenting (disapprovingly I assume) about another some quirk another co-worker had, when my friend asked me, "why do you care about that?" It was like a lightbulb went off - the notion that there was no reason for me to pass judgement over things that have no impact on me was just so new to me. Personally, I''m a lot happier if I''m not constantly finding fault in others.
 
I go on gut combined with personal experience. I try my hardest not to make snap decisions, or listen to what other people say...but sometimes people just give you the "gut" and I allow that to guide me.

Sometimes I''m wronged, and feel like a fool...and other times the writing is on the wall.
 
Date: 6/25/2009 9:38:45 PM
Author: VRBeauty
Being aware of people''s strengths and weaknesses is one thing. Actively seeking out weaknesses or oddnesses, judging people to be less than (me, usually
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), focusing on just the things I don''t like instead of seeing people as a whole, that''s a whole other thing.

I was raised around a lot of ''recreational criticism'' and tsk-tsk ing. ''Live and let live'' was kind of a foreign notion in my family. I still remember (sort of) clearly one day when I was chatting with a co-worker in the break room, commenting (disapprovingly I assume) about another some quirk another co-worker had, when my friend asked me, ''why do you care about that?'' It was like a lightbulb went off - the notion that there was no reason for me to pass judgement over things that have no impact on me was just so new to me. Personally, I''m a lot happier if I''m not constantly finding fault in others.
I think there''s a big difference between pet peeves, and an inability to control them, and making educated judgements about people based on their actions/choices. My family is very live and let live, and I tend to be a bit more finicky than they are regarding people. I admire my father for being such a kind person, but there is a person in my family that, frankly shouldn''t be allowed in my parents'' home and is because my father won''t put his foot down. I think there is a place where one must draw the line.

In general I get along well with people. I have a person in my life who I shouldn''t be friends with, but she remains in the peripheral because we share friends in common. I don''t allow her to be close to me though, and I certainly don''t trust her. Perhaps I should be stronger, like I think my father should in the example above, but I''m not because the other friendships matter too much to me.
 
Black Jade,

What a great example of making incorrect judgements. How horrid for that little girl.

I think we excuse people for things we shouldn''t far too often.

Thank you for sharing.

K
 
Date: 6/25/2009 9:44:56 PM
Author: Italiahaircolor
I go on gut combined with personal experience. I try my hardest not to make snap decisions, or listen to what other people say...but sometimes people just give you the ''gut'' and I allow that to guide me.

Sometimes I''m wronged, and feel like a fool...and other times the writing is on the wall.
This sounds conceited, but I can''t remember a time I''ve ever made a judgement about someone and turned out to be wrong. I am very careful to reserve judgement but trust my gut, it''s almost always right.
 
Date: 6/25/2009 9:51:09 PM
Author: KimberlyH

Date: 6/25/2009 9:44:56 PM
Author: Italiahaircolor
I go on gut combined with personal experience. I try my hardest not to make snap decisions, or listen to what other people say...but sometimes people just give you the ''gut'' and I allow that to guide me.

Sometimes I''m wronged, and feel like a fool...and other times the writing is on the wall.
This sounds conceited, but I can''t remember a time I''ve ever made a judgement about someone and turned out to be wrong. I am very careful to reserve judgement but trust my gut, it''s almost always right.
It''s true you know. Like on PS...sometimes I read an "introduction" post and I have a certain thought...and then as the user posts more and more, it''s funny how nearly spot on I was. It''s not an exact science, of course, and sometimes I get surprised by the person--and turns out I was wrong. But, more often than not, I''m right. Both good and bad.
 
I judge people all the time and I don't think there's anything wrong with it. In personal relationships my judgement is the only thing that really matters. Because I have very little patience for people in general I only have a few good friends, and it doesn't bother me in the least. I'd rather spend time alone or with the few people I respect and enjoy being with than spend time with a bunch of people I don't really like.

My twin sister is very much the opposite of me, and she'll be friends with pretty much anyone. I don't really understand that mindset, but I will say she has a lot more friends than me! She tells me I'm too picky but I just can't bring myself to spend time with people I don't really like being around.

ETA: my gut judgements are pretty much never wrong, either.
 
Date: 6/25/2009 10:01:42 PM
Author: thing2of2
I judge people all the time and I don''t think there''s anything wrong with it. In personal relationships my judgement is the only thing that really matters. Because I have very little patience for people in general I only have a few good friends, and it doesn''t bother me in the least. I''d rather spend time alone or with the few people I respect and enjoy being with than spend time with a bunch of people I don''t really like.

My twin sister is very much the opposite of me, and she''ll be friends with pretty much anyone. I don''t really understand that mindset, but I will say she has a lot more friends than me! She tells me I''m too picky but I just can''t bring myself to spend time with people I don''t really like being around.

ETA: my gut judgements are pretty much never wrong, either.
Ditto all of this. Except for the twin sister part!
I think it''s human nature to judge.
 
I agree that it is only human to judge. However I can "THINK" all the judgments I have but I am careful about how I express them verbally. I try very hard to express judgment only against "actions", instead of the "person".

Moreover, when I am being judged, I am only bothered if the intention of the person judging me clearly shows malice and unkindness. I take judgment from people with good intentions as constructive criticisms.
 
Life is all about making judgements. You make a judgement every time you choose to befriend someone, and every time you choose to rebuff friendship. To me judgement is just another word for choice, or opinion. I have them, I own them, and I share them freely. It''s not my job to worry about someone else putting too much weight on my opinion or being swayed by my verbalizing a judgement. Good grief, they should form their own views
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Date: 6/25/2009 11:46:55 PM
Author: luckystar112

Date: 6/25/2009 10:01:42 PM
Author: thing2of2
I judge people all the time and I don''t think there''s anything wrong with it. In personal relationships my judgement is the only thing that really matters. Because I have very little patience for people in general I only have a few good friends, and it doesn''t bother me in the least. I''d rather spend time alone or with the few people I respect and enjoy being with than spend time with a bunch of people I don''t really like.

My twin sister is very much the opposite of me, and she''ll be friends with pretty much anyone. I don''t really understand that mindset, but I will say she has a lot more friends than me! She tells me I''m too picky but I just can''t bring myself to spend time with people I don''t really like being around.

ETA: my gut judgements are pretty much never wrong, either.
Ditto all of this. Except for the twin sister part!
I think it''s human nature to judge.
Then why are we so offended when others do so? Is it because they disagree with the judgement being made?
 
Date: 6/26/2009 1:07:23 AM
Author: KimberlyH
Date: 6/25/2009 11:46:55 PM

Author: luckystar112


Date: 6/25/2009 10:01:42 PM

Author: thing2of2

I judge people all the time and I don''t think there''s anything wrong with it. In personal relationships my judgement is the only thing that really matters. Because I have very little patience for people in general I only have a few good friends, and it doesn''t bother me in the least. I''d rather spend time alone or with the few people I respect and enjoy being with than spend time with a bunch of people I don''t really like.


My twin sister is very much the opposite of me, and she''ll be friends with pretty much anyone. I don''t really understand that mindset, but I will say she has a lot more friends than me! She tells me I''m too picky but I just can''t bring myself to spend time with people I don''t really like being around.


ETA: my gut judgements are pretty much never wrong, either.

Ditto all of this. Except for the twin sister part!

I think it''s human nature to judge.
Then why are we so offended when others do so? Is it because they disagree with the judgement being made?

People don''t need to disagree with the judgment being made to feel offended. I think every one of us is unique in that our "tolerability" differs from one another. This is why I think verbalizing one''s judgments (opinions..whatever you call is) comes with consequences that are unnecessary.
 
Date: 6/25/2009 9:06:58 PM
Author: KimberlyH

Date: 6/25/2009 9:00:04 PM
Author: fiery

That''s the key word. People shouldn''t base their opinion on what others have said to them but at least what I have found is that people usually always do this. If someone says something about another person or an experience with that person, it sticks especially if its negative. It''s unfortunate but it happens all the time.
My husband says that my problem is I expect too much of others, when in fact people are sheep. I''d like to believe differently.
Unfortunately I agree with your husband-most people are sheep IMHO. If this is judging-then so be it. I do it all the time and I''m not ashamed in the least. I do believe it''s not wrong to make judgements. Verbalizing them is another matter but I don''t hesitate to do so if I feel it''s necessary. How do I determine that? Well, via another judgement. Honestly, I don''t really care if someone else is judging me so I guess I don''t see what the fuss is about if I''m the one doing the judging. People are different, I suppose. I try my best to surround myself with quality ones (as harsh as it sounds) as I''m a loyal and faithful friend and I''m looking for the same in my friends. My judgements are correct in 99% of all cases by the way.
 
Date: 6/25/2009 8:43:54 PM
Author: KimberlyH

Date: 6/25/2009 8:40:44 PM
Author: MissGotRocks


Date: 6/25/2009 8:35:18 PM
Author: fiery
I think its ''acceptable'' to pass judgment when you have all of the necessary facts to make an intelligent assessment about the person/situation. I think most of the time people get in trouble for making judgment calls when they don''t have all of the facts.
This is very well said! I also think we make decisions or determinations about people and situations - not necessarily judgements. We can just decide that they aren''t the people or situations for us and steer clear. What those people continue doing is their own business - as long as it doesn''t directly affect me.
Symantics. decisions and determinations are judgements, veiled by another word because society has determined/judged that ''judgement'' is negative.

And if a person is harming another person and it doesn''t affect you than it doesn''t matter? I''m asking because I don''t really think that''s what you mean by that statement.
As I''ve gotten older, my judgements are less harsh. I realize that everything isn''t black and white or good or bad. There are alot of gray areas. I am far from perfect myself and I accept that in others as well. When I was younger, I was probably much more idealistic. I was harsher in my assessments of others. I have learned to mind my own business so to speak. I am freer now to determine who and what I associate with and if I choose not to associate with someone, I don''t sweat the details of it. It''s my choice to make.

I''m not saying that someone else can get hurt and I can just turn and walk away. That is a whole different ballgame and not the subject I was addressing. I am saying that I am responsible for what I do and say and no more. My measuring stick of right and wrong isn''t necessarily the same stick that everyone else uses and vice versa. There are things that are a concern to me and there are things that just aren''t my business. I try to make the distinction between the two - it tells me how much time and thought I need to put into it. I don''t spend time judging and tsking about people and situations that don''t have a direct bearing on me.

It''s a good, thought provoking question but I think we are constantly changing and evolving as we grow. No two people are in the same place in their lives at any given time so my opinion may differ greatly from yours. That''s not wrong - it just is.
 
I think another factor to this is making your judgments public. We all make judgments constantly throughout the day, but when you share your judgments with others, it can cross a line.
 
I think there is a big difference between making simple judgments and being judgmental. People make judgments all the time based on their prior beliefs, past experiences, and general knowledge in order to asses what’s relevant/irrelevant, right/wrong, good/bad, pleasant/unpleasant, safe/dangerous, etc; and live their lives accordingly. In my book, making a simple judgment is the same as forming an opinion, and I see nothing wrong with that. However, as soon as people start expressing their views in authoritative terms or making far-reaching public statements based solely on suspicions, surface appearances, and limited information; they go from making judgments to being judgmental, and IMO, that shouldn’t be acceptable.
 
Every second of every day you make judgments. What matters is how you act on them and whether you verbalize them. I try not to judge people negatively without knowing them or the full situation but that''s hard to do. So while I may mentally make a judgment, I REALLY try not to let it affect how I interact with them or treat them until I''ve gotten to know them better.
 
Date: 6/25/2009 9:18:22 PM
Author: KimberlyH

Date: 6/25/2009 9:12:10 PM
Author: fiery
HAHA to the sheep comment

But hey at least you can confident knowing that the people you do admire are people that aren''t like sheep!
Oh it''s not funny, it''s sad. Thanks for having an open conversation with me about this. I know it can be a hypersensitive topic but I find it interesting that society is obsessed with not judging anyone, I think it''s done us more harm than good.
Yay! Honesty! LOVE IT! I think people DO judge all the time - but as someone else said, they just call if by another word because nobody wants to ADMIT It. Or they''ll pretend it''s "for someone''s own good" or something.......

I for one believe that I can THINK whatever on earth I want about ANYONE I want - my thoughts are my OWN (for now!) Now whether it''s cool to SAY them (or TYPE them) that''s where I think it gets tricky. This forum has some unwritten rules that I STILL haven''t gotten the hang of yet (gotten in trouble a couple of times for being too "honest") Especially when it comes to MONEY for some reason...... people are VERY uneasy about talking about money. It''s worse than SEX!
 
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