i don't get with some of the newbies on RT..

[Amys Bling]

Most newbies don't know the people at PS, the knowledge they have, etc. To them, we are a mass of people giving opinions. On the other hand, there is the seller (friend of whoever or whoever's brother), who they do trust and have a working relationship with. Suddenly, there are people they don't know pointing out flaws, talking about a lot of numbers they don't quite understand and questioning their size/quality tradeoff. On the other side, there is a pretty stone (they have probably never seen a better one) and a guy saying "go ahead, it is a good deal". I can understand why many go ahead with what they have seen and are comfortable with.

very true. But if you trust this friend of a friend and not the strangers on PS... Why even ask?!?!?

 

[bagelboy]

Hey Dancing Fire, Ever notice how many of these people are MEN! I mean we are totally lost, do we stop and ask directions? NO!!! We are 100% confident in our inate ability to do anything and do it brilliantly even when other people are pointing the other way. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink is the adage. So many guys REFUSE to research ANYTHING, just too much trouble, to much thinking involved. Just so much easier to grab something and run for the door. In the last case, the guy just had no inner resolve to be polite to even ATTEMPT to change his first choice, just make some justifications. Dang I'm GOOD!!! Can you hear the applause DF?

 

[tyty333]

Where is the "Like" button when you need it!

 

[Amys Bling]

Where is the "Like" button when you need it!

haha

 

[Dancing Fire]

Hey Dancing Fire, Ever notice how many of these people are MEN! I mean we are totally lost, do we stop and ask directions? NO!!! We are 100% confident in our inate ability to do anything and do it brilliantly even when other people are pointing the other way. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink is the adage. So many guys REFUSE to research ANYTHING, just too much trouble, to much thinking involved. Just so much easier to grab something and run for the door. In the last case, the guy just had no inner resolve to be polite to even ATTEMPT to change his first choice, just make some justifications. Dang I'm GOOD!!! Can you hear the applause DF?

thank you...

 

[Tuckins1]

its more work doing it the PS way....most people will settle for less rather than do the work. true of most things in life as well.

Yep, so true. Before PS, you just looked at something, thought it was "pretty", and bought it. Now, after having an eye opener, you have to study light return, depth ratios, etc... It's like taking the red pill in the Matrix. Once you've awakened, there's no turning back...

 

[Gypsy]

This is what makes it all worthwhile: [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/ph-d-in-pricescope-and-ring-teaser.173475/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/ph-d-in-pricescope-and-ring-teaser.173475/[/URL]

 

[iLander]

Erica Jong quote - [Advice is] what you ask for when you already know the answer but wish you didn't.

I think some of the posters wish they didn't already know.

 

[Amys Bling]

Erica Jong quote - [Advice is] what you ask for when you already know the answer but wish you didn't.

I think some of the posters wish they didn't already know.

so very true.

 

[TC1987]

I read through this thread, and just want to add: Sometimes you can't "win."

Not everyone wants or needs "the best" or is willing to pay a premium price to get it, especially not when the cost of diamonds and the cost of living are rising and salaries and job security are shrinking. A GIA "good" cut might meet a particular customer's needs. Probably most novice buyers are going for the biggest size and for "value," and will settle for a cut quality that's not what PS people prefer, but it's acceptable to that customer. Later, they might decide they should have made cut a higher priority. But until they've had time to stare at that diamond a while, and have the newness and excitement wear off, and the leakage or flaws start to bother them, it might be tough to sell them a premium priced superideal diamond, because they just don't see the need to buy one. Whatever stone they've found on their own looks good enough to suit them.

cut: Some of the older diamonds that are outside of the tight spec range and or hearts & arrows pattern that PS vendors specialize in still look very pretty. I have some diamonds like that. (I have a superideal, H&A too.) The diamonds scoring worse than 2 or whatever on the HCA may be less than stellar performers in all lighting conditions, but may look great in sunlight or the office or wherever. 66% table: A stone with a huge table and a flatter crown may not throw much fire but could be awesome for brilliance, for example, and brilliance is what you see from across the room, more than fire. Put that stone in a halo setting, and there's your large + brilliant + fire, and it might cost less than the ideal cut diamond that PS people dutifully recommended. Deep stone: Might still have decent performance, and the customer might be fixated on buying/having a 1ct vs. a .9ct even if they face up the same. I have a 6.3mm 1.02ct and it's gorgeous. (It's also an I-1, from back when you could buy a nearly eye-clean I-1. I'm tempted to send it back to GIA so they can value-enhance it to a modern SI2, lol.)

price: PS vendor prices are firm. Prices elsewhere may be very negotiable. If the buyer is dealing with a pawn shop, or a secondhand jewelry dealer, or a consigned stone or ring at a local jeweler, or a private sale via Craigslist of the newspaper, the original asking price might negotiable down to half (or less) of what the shop or seller originally asked, making the deal too good to pass up. So, the person asking for advice on the $8000 "POS" may go back and find that they can now get said "POS" for $3500, and the stone looks good enough to the buyer. So, then the choice is between $3000 good-enough that they've seen in person and $8500 PS stone that they can't see in person right that minute, and that's a lot of cost difference. And that newbie either never comes back, or tells the prosumers to buzz off, because now you and he or she are $5500 apart on price of a diamond.