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Let me preface this by saying that I am a PS member but I felt to ashamed to post this under my normal name.
But I really value everyone''s insight, suggestions, support, viewpoints, (all the reasons I love PS), so I am coming here for some help...
Okay, deep breath......
About 10 years ago my father was injured at work and suffers from a very bad back injury. Throughout the years he has had a number of major surgeries, fused vertebrae, and generally a whole slew of health problems related to that. He has also suffered from an aneurysm in the brain and has thankfully recovered well. Recently he also has some GI problems. Initially after the injury took place his whole life was changed, both physically and in a material sense. His pain was tremendous and he could barely walk and even laying down was in pain. This also disrupted his work (manual labor/supervisor). Because of the issue surrounding the injuries there was much legal wrangling but no settlement in his case and while he does receive workers comp, etc. it in no way neared his overall income and my parents began to fall deeply in dept on morgage and other such loans. Around this same time he began seeing a new doctor and was prescribed oxycotin. At first it seemed to be a miracle - he could move around more and he contstant pain was lessend. However, over time a very deep problem developed. In hindsight I realize that a very big problem was developing. He was becoming addicted to the medicine (which is legally precribed). Also, it deteriotes his cognitive ability. I did not live near to my parents at this time so I did not really see it happening. I knew that the money troubles were getting very bad however. Eventually they lost the house and filed for bankruptcy. Since this time they have bounced around from hotel to motel, to friends house, generally all over in inadequate and unstable situations. There have been extended periods where I cannot contact them, I (and no one) knows where they are or how to reach them. Then they surface again.
Eventually I moved closer to them again and now I can see what the real issue is. it is apparent to me, and family on both sides, that he is addicted to this drug in a bad way and possible others. Also, it appears to me that perhaps my own mother started to take/use it as well. At first I tried, because in a way I was in denial, to just help them along where i could and thought that this would nudge them to be back on the straight and narrow so to speak. Obviously, this did not work. Then they came into some legal trouble surrounding the drug and trial to hide this from me. When I found out I confronted them and they insisted they insisted that they were not using anything and that of course my father was on the medicine but was allowed to be (he is). This legal trouble has resulted in a diversion program and counseling.
At the time of the confrontation it had been a few years into this saga of where I knew that things were wrong. I had helped, given money, cried, and generally had a broken heart about the whole thing. I don''t mean this post to come across without emotion, it is just that I am trying to get across the basic facts. I am devastated about it all. These are not the people I know and love. They are strangers to me. Anyway, I said to myself that if they do not come clean with me even when I confront them about their problems and offer them my support, then I will have to cut them out of my life. I will leave the door open when they are ready to come through but you cannot force such a person they need to want it themselves. So, needless to say, they were in denial about everything and full of excuses when I confronted them. Since that time, I have not spoken to them (about 8 months). They have called me twice, of course acting as though all is okay, but I have let it go to voice mail without a return call. Sometimes I think these calls are good because at least I know that they are alive (I am not being snarky), because every day I honestly wonder if they are or if they are dead or in a hospital.
Anyway - now comes the point that I need help. I have been with FI for many years. He knew my parents from our early dating days as the normal people they were. He did not see them devolve but as I learned I informed him. Our wedding is approaching. FI parents have never met my parents. I do not want to have my parents at my wedding the way they are. If they were there I would be so ashamed and stressful. It can not be hidden. I do not want FI parents to see or know if this issue. I have colleagues of both of ours that will also be there. Generally, I do feel as though the day would be stressful and sour to me. I don''t think honestly I could do it. I have heard from family members that they have an idea that we may have set a date (fast approaching), but either they are too out there to bug me about it or they perhaps do not think it is true. I have asked (probably unfairly so), that my family does not disclose this to them although I did not ask them to lie.
This obviously pains me very much. I love them deeply and know that they are taken over by addiction and turned into people that I do not know. I hope they can clean themselves up one day and we can make amends. However, I do not feel this is the time to do so. I have informed my side of the family of this already and of course FI knows.
Am I doing the right thing? Am I selfish? How/what do I say to FI parents/family/and others about their absence?
This whole issue has sapped so much joy out of my life already and now if makes me dread my own wedding. I have fears they will just show up. Okay, I am rambling now and I do apologize, but I really do need your help. I know I left some things out but I hope this gives you a general idea.
Also if it helps, I and FI our both around early thirties and our professional people. We have been togther many many years.

Thank you PS
 
Awwww. Don''t feel ashamed of your parents - they are stuck in a horrible place, but it is one that is not simply a result of their bad character. Your father in particular, it is very hard to beat addiction when combined with legitimate chronic pain.

Just a thought here - have you gone to AlAnon or a similar support group for relatives of addicts? Or thought of going to a counselor yourself to help process things? It sounds like a very difficult situation. Obviously you tried some version of an intervention but maybe counseling or a support group would give you some backup on your decisions or maybe a new idea or two about how to approach your parents/the whole situation.

As for telling your guests, well you don''t owe them that. Its just that your parents weren''t able to be there. As for telling your FI''s parents, that is a closer call. I would discuss it with your FI - If they are non-judgmental people that are to be family, maybe the truth is an appropriate? But that doesn''t seem like the first order of business. First is for you to take care of you.
 
I guess I don't know that I have any real sound advice for you, but I'll just share the thoughts that come to mind. Your post is incredibly sad and moving. Taking into account what their behaviour, mannerisms, etc, is like - only you and your FI know the situation well enough to make the decision to not have them come.

Me personally, though I don't have anything close to a comparible situation to put this in perspective, have never been one to feel shame. My philosphy has always been, live and let live. Be that loved ones, friends, aquaintences, or strangers on the street. I take people with a grain of salt because we all have faults, granted some are just more hidden than others. I've never hidden anything about myself or family from anyone that I know overall. I try to be an open book among friends and loved ones. I've always felt that my life is so much freer when everybody understands what I've come from, or going to. Whether or not they can relate, whether or not they judge, that's ok, just because they know, and I have no secrets. No shame. But it takes courage and confidence to get to that place. Lots of people can and will judge, I don't think that's right, but that's their perogative. I refuse to let that bother me.

I have not and will not turn my back on anyone. I'm perhaps more loyal than need be, but that's just what I am. And I've had my heart ache because of it. I feel that people that are far down the wrong path still need love and loyalty and friendship (without enablement) because without that, what reason do they have to try to get it together? But it sounds like you've tried that route, and they just don't see the light...Please know I'm not saying your wrong in your decision, because I don't think you are. So don't get that out of my post. Like I said, only you can make the best judgement on that. The thing is, your marrying a man, and becoming part of his family.......at some point, it seems that they will probably know or find out what your parents are going through. I don't think that will make them care for you any less, or at least it shouldn't. They could make a bigger support system for you. That's what family is for, and it sounds like you can use all the support that they can give! Best wishes for you, you'll be in my thoughts.
 
Overall, it''s a very sad story. You''re stuck between a rock and a hard place ... even with the wedding removed from the equation.

Are you close with your FI parents? Would you feel comfortable sitting down with them and discussing the situation? I am sure they love you very much, and would understand the circumstances. Even if you decide against including your own parents in the wedding, your future inlaws will probably wonder why they weren''t invited and why they are missing. If you at least come to them with the truth, they can be a support system for you....the more people you have to depend on, confind in, and talk to, the better you''ll be and feel...

Also, you do not need to ashamed. We all have our own personal problems...some of us are open about them, others choose to keep them quiet. But, please, do not think for a moment anyone here would judge you for what you''re going through. From reading your post, I have deep appreciation for your strength and how you''re managing to balance all of this. I can see why you''d want to go undercover for this, but PS is a place of support.

Lastly, you cannot fix someones addiction. Do not feel guilty that you can''t find the switch to turn off their problem. People have to *want* to change, they have to crave it more than they crave the drug, or drink, or whatever. Sometimes playing into the addiction and enabling them with help, and never ending support can do more harm than good in the end. If I were you, I would celebrate your marriage, love your almost husband, and be thankful for the blessing you do have in your life. If your parents are meant to get healthy, they will...and if they aren''t, you cannot allow yourself to be pulled down with them.

Hugs and support are being sent your way...
 
Date: 8/29/2008 8:49:09 PM
Author: cara
Awwww. Don''t feel ashamed of your parents - they are stuck in a horrible place, but it is one that is not simply a result of their bad character. Your father in particular, it is very hard to beat addiction when combined with legitimate chronic pain.

Just a thought here - have you gone to AlAnon or a similar support group for relatives of addicts? Or thought of going to a counselor yourself to help process things? It sounds like a very difficult situation. Obviously you tried some version of an intervention but maybe counseling or a support group would give you some backup on your decisions or maybe a new idea or two about how to approach your parents/the whole situation.

As for telling your guests, well you don''t owe them that. Its just that your parents weren''t able to be there. As for telling your FI''s parents, that is a closer call. I would discuss it with your FI - If they are non-judgmental people that are to be family, maybe the truth is an appropriate? But that doesn''t seem like the first order of business. First is for you to take care of you.
Thank you Cara for your thoughts. Yes, re: my father, it is very difficult b/c on one hand these are his meds and it does give him some degree of mobility and life back but truly, this is a horrible medicine (IMHO), very devistating. The long term effects here outweigh anything else. He is a shell of himself. But I understand first hand what he is dealing with so it is hard. I many many times saw his just in bed all day (most days) crying and unable to move an inch without pain. Once you have found something that will help...how could you not take it? But, he does not recognize the bad side of it.
Re: FI family.....well, I think that they would be judgemental, that is part of the problem. I love them very much and they have been kind and good to me and support our relationship. But, some people see in black and white. Life is not always that way....
Thank you again for your thoughts and support....
 
Date: 8/29/2008 10:25:41 PM
Author: Italiahaircolor
Overall, it''s a very sad story. You''re stuck between a rock and a hard place ... even with the wedding removed from the equation.

Are you close with your FI parents? Would you feel comfortable sitting down with them and discussing the situation? I am sure they love you very much, and would understand the circumstances. Even if you decide against including your own parents in the wedding, your future inlaws will probably wonder why they weren''t invited and why they are missing. If you at least come to them with the truth, they can be a support system for you....the more people you have to depend on, confind in, and talk to, the better you''ll be and feel...

Also, you do not need to ashamed. We all have our own personal problems...some of us are open about them, others choose to keep them quiet. But, please, do not think for a moment anyone here would judge you for what you''re going through. From reading your post, I have deep appreciation for your strength and how you''re managing to balance all of this. I can see why you''d want to go undercover for this, but PS is a place of support.

Lastly, you cannot fix someones addiction. Do not feel guilty that you can''t find the switch to turn off their problem. People have to *want* to change, they have to crave it more than they crave the drug, or drink, or whatever. Sometimes playing into the addiction and enabling them with help, and never ending support can do more harm than good in the end. If I were you, I would celebrate your marriage, love your almost husband, and be thankful for the blessing you do have in your life. If your parents are meant to get healthy, they will...and if they aren''t, you cannot allow yourself to be pulled down with them.

Hugs and support are being sent your way...
ITC - thank you for your support and kind words.
Unfortunatly, this is not something I can discuss with them, I think. Really, they have not met my parents nor do I share much information about them (given the circumstances)...very short and sweet conversations. I think it would totally blindside them this close to the wedding and with no background and I think they will take it very very bad. Unfortunatly for now, I feel that I must keep it from them in hopes that the situation changes in some short time. If it does not, then eventually I must tell them at least something close to the whole truth. I dread that.
I agree (maybe I am wrong?) that they must want to make some change. Their denials and lies and hiding from me just signals that they are aware of the problem but not yet ready to overcome it. I truly can not force them. However, I will not give up on them....I have been here for many years through this and will stay open to them. If they are ready I will move mountains both in their life and mine to make a recovery successful.....
Also, I agree that PS is a wonderful place and there are so many here (old and new) that go out of their way to help others. I have never participated in any other forum (and I lurked here for some time)...I am so glad to be a part of it....
 
Also, I am sorry but I skimmed my original post and I am sorry that there are many grammer and spelling mistakes. I know it makes it hard to read. I was just so upset while writing that I got it all out and pushed submit before I lost courage to post at all.
I truly appreciate your suggestions, etc. Also, I hope if someone else has been in a remotely similar situation maybe they can help? At least it may help some lurkers too, I think this type of problem happens...
Thank you again, PS, and you can move the thread if I posted in the wrong forum. Thank you
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I''m so so sorry for you! You are absolutely NOT being selfish or unreasonable. I understand completely the problems that addiction can create in a family! It is just devastating. We actually had a similar issue in my family at my wedding, but with my grandfather, who is an alcoholic and is addicted to a cocktail of prescription medications. Although he did attend, it was a terrible situation for everyone, especially my mother and my grandmother, and nearly ruined the event for some of my family members who had to baby sit him. It would have been better if he had not attended. Since then, we have done two serious interventions on him to get him to quit, the most recent being the same weekend I announced my pregnancy to the family. He is like a father to me, as my biological father was not involved in my life growing up, and it is so painful to see him suffering like this. He is a shell of who he used to be and is miserable as well.

I don''t know everything about your situation, obviously, but I think you are doing the right thing. As much as you love them and wish you could fix them and take care of them, you cannot control their addicition and their lives. And you simply cannot allow their addiction to take over your life and control your life. If you do, then it is what AlAnon calls co-dependence, and it is one of the terribly legacies of addiction within families. In your shoes, I would not invite my parents, and if anyone asked, which I doubt they would, I would simply say that they were unable to attend due to health issues. And I would leave it at that. I don''t know if I would tell my inlaws. Perhaps after the wedding, or perhaps if I felt very close to them, but really it does not directly affect them so it isn''t important that they know, is it? One day you may grow close enough to them to feel that you can share the information with them, but it doesn''t need to happen before your wedding.

Above all else, I really think you need to find a local chapter of AlAnon and go to meetings. It is a support group for families of addicts and you will meet people just like you. My grandmother benefitted tremendously from attending meetings, and it may be exactly the anonymous support that you need right now.

Good luck, and although it is a sad thing to say, you are really not alone. Millions of families deal with addiction and it is nothing to be ashamed of.
 
Thank you dreamer -- I think maybe a support group is a good idea. Sometimes I feel like I have it all in check, no problem. I really have become good at departmentalizing it. Then again, I also think that may be a problem. Perhaps counseling would be a good thing although I am scared of it.
I am so sorry that you also had a similar situation. It must have been hard for you during your wedding - this is what I am trying to avoid also. I know you must so badly want him to be part of your pregnancy, and I hope that your efforts in helping your grandfather will come to fruition. I will say a prayer for you...
 
Sorry for your situation. I think you are handling it well. I don''t think you need to share it with anyone except your FI. Your parents have chosen their path and you can''t do much to change it. I would want to take their calls, though, and at least let each other know everyone is are okay.

Where are they getting the new prescriptions from? They have an income? Address?

You don''t need to explain their absence at your wedding. People will ask and you can say they couldn''t make it due to some health issues.
 
I don''t see how you''re going to keep this from your future inlaws? You may be able to brush off casual questions from wedding attendees with the line that both parents had health issues, but I don''t think that''s going to fly with inlaws? I know if my son had a FI and she said neither parent was coming because they were both ill, I would naturally ask about their health and what was wrong. You can see where that will lead to...more lies. Lies upon lies upon lies. That''s just not where I would want to go especially with my husbands parents.
 
Please don't feel ashamed.

I do understand some of your situation.

I have a chronic pain condition after a lot of major back surgery - and some to come in the future - and have been permanently on Tramadol for the last 5 years in combination with other drugs. They wanted me to take Oxycontin instead, but I didn't like the toxicity risks and side-effects a lot of people get. I consider myself 'dependant' on my meds rather than 'addicted', but it's a fine line.

Your dad really needs to see a pain specialist who can work with him on not only the meds but other ways of controlling chronic pain. Sometimes just changing to a med with a different profile can change so many things without leaving you in agony.


My mother attended my wedding in a wheelchair on a syringe driver full of heroin. She has MS and had her spine fused 6 weeks before the wedding, sparking a huge MS attack causing her terrible pain and leaving her unable to walk. Over the years she has deteriorated to the point where she looks as if she's in her 70's despite being 58, can't walk properly and struggles every day.

The week before the wedding it was hard to have any form of coherent conversation with her and on the day itself she was away with the fairies for a considerable amount of the day!

Did I feel ashamed? No. I felt desperately sad that my mother, who used to be so active and full of life was sitting in a wheelchair and so hated it that she didn't want any photos of us together.

Chronic pain is one of the hardest conditions to live with - an impossible without taking a load of meds that almost always screw some other bit of you up. This is where it is different to other addictions, it's not a case of stopping taking things and you recovering - the pain does not go away, and relentless pain is not something that you can live with. I have tried many times to stop my meds and I usually last about 3 hours. I have huge respect for heroin addicts who go through detox, but at least when they come out the other side they aren't dealing with crippling agony.

I have attended the best UK pain clinic - a two week in-patient facility, and whilst my meds weren't able to be reduced, I did see people there who managed to come off meds that were hugely damaging them and go onto others that managed their pain with less other side-effects.


I think you need to invite your parents and I think you need to explain the whole situation to your in-laws. You are in your 30s and it's not as if any of it is a reflection on you. But I think not inviting your parents because YOU are ashamed of them would be a reflection on you and not a good one.

I don't see the difference between telling you in-laws that your father has problems because of his chronic pain is any different from telling them that he might have become the way he is because of a brain tumour or one of the hundreds of other conditions that can impact on your life and character. My SMIL was sectioned for 3 months at the beginning of the year - didn't mean my parents thought badly of her....

If your in-laws can't feel sympathy and acceptance - well, frankly they're not very nice people!
 
Date: 8/29/2008 11:10:38 PM
Author: SadDD
Thank you dreamer -- I think maybe a support group is a good idea. Sometimes I feel like I have it all in check, no problem. I really have become good at departmentalizing it. Then again, I also think that may be a problem. Perhaps counseling would be a good thing although I am scared of it.
I am so sorry that you also had a similar situation. It must have been hard for you during your wedding - this is what I am trying to avoid also. I know you must so badly want him to be part of your pregnancy, and I hope that your efforts in helping your grandfather will come to fruition. I will say a prayer for you...
AlAnon is really not like therapy, which may feel more invasive that you are ready for. It is a group of 4 - 10 people all sharing the same issue (family with addiction problems) and they just talk about their feelings and what they have gone through. You can attend and not say anything until you feel ready! So it is much less scary than regular therapy.

PP is probably right that you will need to tell yous in-laws about your parents eventually, I was simply suggesting that you may be able to put it off until after the wedding stress has died down. If they press you, which my in-laws would not do FWIW and maybe yours won''t either, then you can say that it is a sensitive issue and you''d rather wait until another time to talk about it. Your parents are having health problems after all, since addiction is a disease, so it is not lieing to say that is the reason they cannot attend. Then you can have your FI/DH with you and you can do it when you feel stronger and less stressed. Attending AlAnon may also help you feel less ashamed of it and thus less scared about telling them.

Or you may never need to disclose this information! Families really vary in how "in each others business" they are, and your in-laws may be content not to meet them. My in-laws have never met my father, in fact my DH has never met my father, and a simple, "He is not in my life" has been all the explanation required and they have not pressed me (although he is actually in my life to a degree--we are friends on facebook
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--I see no need for him to meet my husband and new family). Anyways, my point is that only you know how much disclosure is required with your in-laws, because only you know them. Don''t lie outright, but sharing everything isn''t always required in every family.
 
I am SO sorry.

My family was filled with alcoholics as a child. They are now either dead or have stopped drinking, but I have seen what addictions do.

Frankly, I think cutting your parents off was the right thing to do. They have a right, sad as it is, to f up their lives, but they do NOT have a right to ruin yours. You could help them every step of the way and they wouldn''t stop. The most valuable thing I learned was that they must decide to quit and nothing you do will make them decide; its one of the hardest parts of living with someone with an addiction. They have decided what path to take and you have decided yours and you do not owe them; they will suck the life out of you, I have seen it. f your parents come to you for help getting clean though, then you should help them.

If I were in your place, here is what I would do. First, I would talk to your parents and tell them that in their current state they are not welcome at the wedding. They may come either way otherwise and you may feel better explaining to them the situation. As for FILs, I wuld tell them there are money problems and your father has serious pain issues that prevents traveling and prevents him from being left alone.

Don''t feel ashamed, they made their choices and that is not your fault. I know it can be hard; I used to get asked where my grandpa was at events as a child and the answer is that both my grandfathers drank themselves to death young.
 
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I see this all too often in my work because I have been dealing with worker''s compensation for my whole career. It is very tragic that the benefits don''t provide the level of income needed to maintain a person''s lifestyle and basic monetary obligations. Oxycontin is a wicked drug. Highly addictive. Not only can it mask physical pain, but the euphoria can elleviate emotional pain as well, where it becomes more than physically addicting, but emotionally additive as well.

It sounds like you feel shame and embarassment because you need support, respect and love. You need this from more than just your parents, but your SI''s family as well. It''s a very difficult situation that you are in because even if you don''t invite your parents to your wedding, you will feel that you have to provide some explanation as to why they are not present at such an occasion. I take it you wouldn''t feel good about lying, as that creates toxic buildup in your system, along with the probability that at some time in the future, the truth will be known.

I''m afraid that I don''t have any good advice for you as to what decision you should or shouldn''t make, but know that your parents are not their addiction. We could all pass judgement on them and many will, but if I were you, I would be honest about everything with your FI and make that decision together.

I have known many people, who despite not having a great relationship with their parents because of addiction, alcoholism, etc, have still invited the parents. Most of the people who were close with the couple already knew the history so they were not surprised by strange behavior on behalf of the parents or other family member. Ultimately, you need to decide what you can comfortably live with and then ...well, live with it.

The other advice of Al-Anon and/or alternative healing and books can help you feel less alone about this situation. Many, many people have benefited from some form of validation that lets you know are not alone. I truly hope that this doesn''t mar your wedding day and I hope for you and your family ....a miracle.
 
I have to kind of agree with purrfectpear about your FI''s parents. It is time to set them down and let them know the situation. I know, because I would feel exactly the same, that this will be difficult and, in a way, humiliating. But it is not a situation that can be kept swept under the rug.

I don''t have any advice on how to deal with parents who will not see the situation for what it is and try and get the help that is needed. You cannot run your parents'' lives for them, as you have found out. Even when you mean well, it doesn''t always work. I know; my mother avoided going to the doctor when she became ill, ignored our pleas and tears, and as a result, when she finally went, it was too little, too late, and she passed away. I had, at one point, actually told her . . . and I regret it to this day. . . that I loved her more than she loved me because I would never put her through that. You must stop feeling that you can be responsible in some way for their decisions, and I think you are starting to handle things from that perspective. And I feel you need to be in Al-Anon.

But please take their phone calls. They are your parents. If they ask about the wedding, tell them. Maybe you telling them that you don''t want them there in their present condition will in some way motivate them to get the help they need.

I''m so sorry that you have this on your heart at a time when you should be at your happiest.
 
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