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"Everything you need to know about about Trump and Russia"

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By Dana Milbank Opinion writer March 3
Everything you need to know about Trump and Russia


President Trump stood by his attorney general Jeff Sessions on March 2, amid a growing storm over revelations that Sessions met last year with Russia's ambassador but did not disclose the contacts in Senate testimony. (Reuters)

Having trouble following the fast-moving developments about the Trump team’s ties to Russia? Here’s a primer to get you up to speed:

President Trump got to know Russian President Vladimir Putin “very well,” but he doesn’t “know Putin.”

Putin sent Trump “a present” and they spoke, but Trump has “no relationship with him.”

Trump has “nothing to do with Russia,” but his son has said “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets” and “we see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.”

Russia definitely hacked the Democratic National Committee, unless it was a 400-pound man in his bedroom or a guy in a van down by the river.

U.S. intelligence agencies allege that Putin meddled in the election to try to get Trump elected, but this was all a “ruse” and a “fake news fabricated deal to try and make up for the loss of the Democrats.”

There was “no communication” between Trump’s team and Russia during the campaign and transition, except for communication with Russia by Trump’s future national security adviser, his future attorney general and his son-in-law and two others.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions “did not have communications with the Russians,” except for the two meetings with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak he neglected to mention under oath.

Sessions then said he never discussed the campaign with Russians, which is not what was alleged.

Sessions had “no idea what this allegation is about” regarding his Russian contacts but had enough of an idea what it was about to declare “it is false.”

Sessions recused himself from the Russia investigation, but this decision is unrelated to the discovery that he spoke twice with the Russian ambassador despite his claims that he had no such meetings.

Sessions cannot confirm the investigation he recused himself from exists or will exist in the future.

Sessions believes that perjury is one of the constitutional “high crimes and misdemeanors” and “goes to the heart of the judicial system,” except his false testimony under oath to Congress was not a false statement but a case of speaking too quickly.

Sessions met with the Russian ambassador during the time Sessions was serving as a surrogate for the Trump campaign, but not in his capacity as a surrogate for the Trump campaign.

Sessions remembers nothing of his meetings with the Russian ambassador, except that he remembers clearly talking about terrorism and religion and Ukraine and he’s sure they didn’t talk about the campaign.

It was a total coincidence that around the same time Sessions was meeting with the Russian ambassador, Trump gave an interview that ended up on Russian state-owned TV saying he didn’t believe reports of Russian influence in the U.S. election.

Trump, Trump’s press secretary and a broad swath of Republican members of Congress said there is no reason for Sessions to recuse himself from the investigation from which Sessions recused himself.

The incendiary and salacious “dossier” by a former British intelligence official on Trump’s involvement with Russia was completely unverified, but U.S. authorities were prepared to pay the man who wrote it.

Carter Page, who has extensive ties to Moscow, had “no role” in the Trump campaign, except that Trump, meeting with The Post’s editorial board, listed Page as an adviser.

Reports of the Trump team’s ties to Russia are “fake news,” yet those who leaked the information for those articles need to be found and punished.

Trump ousted Michael Flynn, his national security adviser, who Trump says did nothing wrong.

Flynn, who spoke several times with Kislyak on the day President Barack Obama announced sanctions against Russia, told Vice President Pence and the FBI that the discussion that intelligence officials heard them having about sanctions was not a discussion about sanctions.

The sanctions that Flynn reportedly discussed with Kislyak, in the conversation he can’t entirely remember, were not really sanctions.

Former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort had “absolutely nothing to do and never has with Russia,” except for his extensive work for Russian oligarchs and pro-Russia forces in Ukraine.

Manafort declared in the fall that “there’s no investigation going on by the FBI that I’m aware of” into his contacts with Russia, months after that investigation began.

Sessions previously asserted that “no one is above the law” and that failure to punish people for being untruthful under oath “will weaken the legal system,” and he proclaimed that “I’m very careful about how I conduct myself in these matters.” Except when he isn’t.

So, now you know everything there is to know about Trump and Russia. This has been a public service announcement.
 
Re: "Everything you need to know about about Trump and Russi

I am so glad I can count on you to simplify things for those of us who have trouble sifting through conflicting reports, Matata.

Deb
 
Re: "Everything you need to know about about Trump and Russi

AGBF|1488740833|4136847 said:
I am so glad I can count on you to simplify things for those of us who have trouble sifting through conflicting reports, Matata.

Deb

And who would that be Deb, those of us who do not agree with you?

I can assure you, everyone here is intelligent enough to find and digest the information in their own way.
 
Re: "Everything you need to know about about Trump and Russi

Thanks for this, Matata!
 
Re: "Everything you need to know about about Trump and Russi

ruby59|1488740977|4136849 said:
AGBF|1488740833|4136847 said:
I am so glad I can count on you to simplify things for those of us who have trouble sifting through conflicting reports, Matata.

Deb

And who would that be Deb, those of us who do not agree with you?

I can assure you, everyone here is intelligent enough to find and digest the information in their own way.

No. It was not a dig at you, ruby. I don't usually, try to make personal discourteous remarks to you although I may vehemently disagree with you on issues. That would have been a personal swipe had I meant you. I was referring to myself. Also: my remark was was tongue-in-cheek. A joke. Because in reality, every statement in there contradicts another. It is not simple at all. It would confuse anyone.

Deb :wavey:
 
Re: "Everything you need to know about about Trump and Russi

AGBF|1488742429|4136857 said:
ruby59|1488740977|4136849 said:
AGBF|1488740833|4136847 said:
I am so glad I can count on you to simplify things for those of us who have trouble sifting through conflicting reports, Matata.

Deb

And who would that be Deb, those of us who do not agree with you?

I can assure you, everyone here is intelligent enough to find and digest the information in their own way.

No. It was not a dig at you, ruby. I don't usually, try to make personal discourteous remarks to you although I may vehemently disagree with you on issues. That would have been a personal swipe had I meant you. I was referring to myself. Also: my remark was was tongue-in-cheek. A joke. Because in reality, every statement in there contradicts another. It is not simple at all. It would confuse anyone.

Deb :wavey:

Deb you also came at me before telling me that since you are a teacher you expect things to be explained a certain way and I was obviously not measuring up.

I kind of understand what Packrat is saying. Some of you think your article or post is the definitive response. And if the other side does not agree it is because of a lack of intelligence on their part.

I do not appreciate a thread supposedly spelling things out for me.

I can get there just like everybody else. But just because I do not agree with you does not mean I do not understand it either.
 
Re: "Everything you need to know about about Trump and Russi

ruby59|1488742935|4136862 said:
AGBF|1488742429|4136857 said:
ruby59|1488740977|4136849 said:
AGBF|1488740833|4136847 said:
I am so glad I can count on you to simplify things for those of us who have trouble sifting through conflicting reports, Matata.

Deb

And who would that be Deb, those of us who do not agree with you?

I can assure you, everyone here is intelligent enough to find and digest the information in their own way.

No. It was not a dig at you, ruby. I don't usually, try to make personal discourteous remarks to you although I may vehemently disagree with you on issues. That would have been a personal swipe had I meant you. I was referring to myself. Also: my remark was was tongue-in-cheek. A joke. Because in reality, every statement in there contradicts another. It is not simple at all. It would confuse anyone.

Deb :wavey:

Deb you also came at me before telling me that since you are a teacher you expect things to be explained a certain way and I was obviously not measuring up.

I kind of understand what Packrat is saying. Some of you think your article or post is the definitive response. And if the other side does not agree it is because of a lack of intelligence on their part.

I do not appreciate a thread supposedly spelling things out for me.

I can get there just like everybody else. But just because I do not agree with you does not mean I do not understand it either.

Do you understand that I just said, above, that I was not speaking to you? I was making a joke to Matata? I was saying (facetiously) that what she posted would help people like me who had trouble sifting through complicated matters. What I said was facetious because what Matata posted was complicated as all get out.

I didn't insult you-or comment to you or others-ruby.

Deb
 
Re: "Everything you need to know about about Trump and Russi

AGBF|1488743361|4136865 said:
ruby59|1488742935|4136862 said:
AGBF|1488742429|4136857 said:
ruby59|1488740977|4136849 said:
AGBF|1488740833|4136847 said:
I am so glad I can count on you to simplify things for those of us who have trouble sifting through conflicting reports, Matata.

Deb

And who would that be Deb, those of us who do not agree with you?

I can assure you, everyone here is intelligent enough to find and digest the information in their own way.

No. It was not a dig at you, ruby. I don't usually, try to make personal discourteous remarks to you although I may vehemently disagree with you on issues. That would have been a personal swipe had I meant you. I was referring to myself. Also: my remark was was tongue-in-cheek. A joke. Because in reality, every statement in there contradicts another. It is not simple at all. It would confuse anyone.

Deb :wavey:

Deb you also came at me before telling me that since you are a teacher you expect things to be explained a certain way and I was obviously not measuring up.

I kind of understand what Packrat is saying. Some of you think your article or post is the definitive response. And if the other side does not agree it is because of a lack of intelligence on their part.

I do not appreciate a thread supposedly spelling things out for me.

I can get there just like everybody else. But just because I do not agree with you does not mean I do not understand it either.

Do you understand that I just said, above, that I was not speaking to you? I was making a joke to Matata? I was saying (facetiously) that what she posted would help people like me who had trouble sifting through complicated matters. What I said was facetious because what Matata posted was complicated as all get out.

I didn't insult you-or comment to you or others-ruby.

Deb

And are you not understanding me, Deb. It is perception. And how individuals interpret it. And why some no longer feel comfortable posting here anymore.
 
Re: "Everything you need to know about about Trump and Russi

ruby-

You are not being fair. You misinterpreted a joke I made. You thought I was speaking to you or to other posters when I wasn't. Now you are insisting that I am part of a group that creates a bad atmosphere here based on your mistake.

Deb
 
Re: "Everything you need to know about about Trump and Russi

AGBF|1488743895|4136869 said:
ruby-

You are not being fair. You misinterpreted a joke I made. You thought I was speaking to you or to other posters when I wasn't. Now you are insisting that I am part of a group that creates a bad atmosphere here based on your mistake.

Deb

Don't you see it.

I am the one who misinterpreted. I am the one who made the mistake.

Always the other person is at fault.
 
Re: "Everything you need to know about about Trump and Russi

The same people whinge about the same thing in nearly every thread making reading here sound like an echo.

AGBF, you and others who do it need to stop explaining yourselves and apologizing to the same people who consistently interpret posts as personal affronts. The level of insecurity here is astronomical. The more you explain and the more you apologize the more it encourages the cycle of whingeing and self-victimizaton. Big girl panties for all of us, ok?
 
Re: "Everything you need to know about about Trump and Russi

I wish I had some raspberry scones!

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Re: "Everything you need to know about about Trump and Russi

Matata|1488744227|4136872 said:
The same people whinge about the same thing in nearly every thread making reading here sound like an echo.

AGBF, you and others who do it need to stop explaining yourselves and apologizing to the same people who consistently interpret posts as personal affronts. The level of insecurity here is astronomical. The more you explain and the more you apologize the more it encourages the cycle of whingeing and self-victimizaton. Big girl panties for all of us, ok?

What does Red having a disagreement with Lovedogs that they worked out very well have to do with my conversation with AGBF.

Same people - only about 5 or 6 post regularly over here so yes most of us are in practically every thread.
 
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Re: "Everything you need to know about about Trump and Russi

Matata|1488744227|4136872 said:
The same people whinge about the same thing in nearly every thread making reading here sound like an echo.

AGBF, you and others who do it need to stop explaining yourselves and apologizing to the same people who consistently interpret posts as personal affronts. The level of insecurity here is astronomical. The more you explain and the more you apologize the more it encourages the cycle of whingeing and self-victimizaton. Big girl panties for all of us, ok?

I was posting while you were, Matata. While I very much admire your style of posting, it isn't mine. You are very classy and sleek (a bit like a cat). I am more dogged and persistent. I like to engage with everyone except true trolls and crazy people and try to have discussions. I just, sometimes, become frustrated.

Deb
 
Re: "Everything you need to know about about Trump and Russi

AGBF|1488744712|4136878 said:
Matata|1488744227|4136872 said:
The same people whinge about the same thing in nearly every thread making reading here sound like an echo.

AGBF, you and others who do it need to stop explaining yourselves and apologizing to the same people who consistently interpret posts as personal affronts. The level of insecurity here is astronomical. The more you explain and the more you apologize the more it encourages the cycle of whingeing and self-victimizaton. Big girl panties for all of us, ok?

I was posting while you were, Matata. While I very much admire your style of posting, it isn't mine. You are very classy and sleek (a bit like a cat). I am more dogged and persistent. I like to engage with everyone except true trolls and crazy people and try to have discussions. I just, sometimes, become frustrated.

Deb

Hahhhaaa. No, see my pitbull meme above.
 
Re: "Everything you need to know about about Trump and Russi

AGBF|1488744712|4136878 said:
Matata|1488744227|4136872 said:
The same people whinge about the same thing in nearly every thread making reading here sound like an echo.

AGBF, you and others who do it need to stop explaining yourselves and apologizing to the same people who consistently interpret posts as personal affronts. The level of insecurity here is astronomical. The more you explain and the more you apologize the more it encourages the cycle of whingeing and self-victimizaton. Big girl panties for all of us, ok?

I was posting while you were, Matata. While I very much admire your style of posting, it isn't mine. You are very classy and sleek (a bit like a cat). I am more dogged and persistent. I like to engage with everyone except true trolls and crazy people and try to have discussions. I just, sometimes, become frustrated.

Deb

Now I hope you are not speaking to me, but that is not the point.

Can't you see some of your choice of words can be misinterpreted. Since you are posting that here, you must be talking about someone here. Not a far stretch.

And since we are all different, some can be hurt by these words.

You were a teacher. You must know words can hurt.
 
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haha I have no idea how I became involved in this silliness.

Deb: you were extremely clear in thanking Matata for the post, and I read it as, "Thanks for posting this, since the constant news cycles from various places make it really hard to keep up and get lots of relevant info in one place". Don't worry about people misinterpreting--it isn't your fault that some people want to take everything as a personal attack. Especially since you used the word "us" in your original post--that made it 100000% clear that you included yourself in the "us" who have a hard time sifting through the tons of conflicting reports.

:wavey:

Yay for raspberry scones!
 
Re: "Everything you need to know about about Trump and Russi

ruby59|1488744036|4136870 said:
AGBF|1488743895|4136869 said:
ruby-

You are not being fair. You misinterpreted a joke I made. You thought I was speaking to you or to other posters when I wasn't. Now you are insisting that I am part of a group that creates a bad atmosphere here based on your mistake.

Deb

Don't you see it.

I am the one who misinterpreted. I am the one who made the mistake.

Always the other person is at fault.
All you Reps. are at fault... :bigsmile: You and Red can never win here. The Dems. are sore losers and still trying to find excuses to why they lost the election... :wall:
 
Re: "Everything you need to know about about Trump and Russi

Dancing Fire|1488748492|4136914 said:
ruby59|1488744036|4136870 said:
AGBF|1488743895|4136869 said:
ruby-

You are not being fair. You misinterpreted a joke I made. You thought I was speaking to you or to other posters when I wasn't. Now you are insisting that I am part of a group that creates a bad atmosphere here based on your mistake.

Deb

Don't you see it.

I am the one who misinterpreted. I am the one who made the mistake.

Always the other person is at fault.
All you Reps. are at fault... :bigsmile: You and Red can never win here. The Dems. are sore losers and still trying to find excuses to why they lost the election... :wall:


Actually, I never considered myself Republican.

I am registered as a Democrat.

I always thought of myself as a moderate.

It is only after coming here and reading about what the far left wants to do to this country, I have moved further right.
 
Re: "Everything you need to know about about Trump and Russi

ruby59|1488749545|4136917 said:
Actually, I never considered myself Republican.

I am registered as a Democrat.

I always thought of myself as a moderate.

It is only after coming here and reading about what the far left wants to do to this country, I have moved further right.
That's against PS policy!... :Up_to_something: :silenced: :lol:
 
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