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sockpuppetina

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Sorry to use a fake name. I just don't really want this to be connected to my username, which is no secret and easily traced to my identity. Some of you know who I am and will have heard these problems before. If so, please protect my identity as I know you will!

Although I don't usually post about my personal life on here, I am so frustrated and feel like you guys will be able to help, even if we've only talked about jewelry and such in the past.

I apologize for the length. I just need to get it all out! If anyone actually takes the time to read and respond, I will be SO grateful. Especially you ladies who have been married a while now and have a more mature perspective.

Here is the Too Long/Didn't Read version:
When we were first getting together, he privileged his ex-GF over me in pretty crappy ways. We've been together for year but I still remember it and feel the pain, jealousy, and anger as if it were yesterday. How to cope and move on??

Long version:
Anyway, Mr. Sockpuppetino and I have been talking about marriage lately. It's really fun! And I still haven't decided if I'm going to let him embark on the e-ring project without me... We are SO SO happy. So in love. Laugh all the time, great "connection" (if you know what I mean).. Everything is still there, just as it was when we first met nearly 4 years ago.

Here's the problem: I am still so jealous of his ex-girlfriend and angry about things that happened way back when. It interrupts my thoughts all the time. Mr. S has been VERY patient and loving, but I know he is frustrated and also wishes I were happier. To be clear, I am happy 98% of the time, but the 2% of time when I think about all of this, I feel miserable.

Here is what happened: When I met Mr. S, we were coworkers. Plus, We had both ended a relationship in the last two years. We were not looking for anything serious, especially not with a coworker! Nevertheless, we spent all our time together, had a million jokes, and one thing led to another. (I feel so old and so ladylike compared to those days! I guess 4 years is a long time!) We would have called it a best-friends-with-benefits situation, even though everyone else around us called it a relationship. This lasted for about 6 months.

Like I said, we've both ended relationships in the last year. The main difference was, I was on decent terms with my ex, but we were not friends. I usually think it is healthier that way. Mr. S, on the other hand, was "best friends" with his ex-gf. Their relationship had had many problems-- she cheated on him, lots of other drama-- but they had known each other since freshman year of college and thought that by ending the "romantic" part of the relationship, that would put all the prior drama to bed and they would begin a lifelong friendship. He said that she's treated him badly in the relationship, but that it didn't matter because he honestly thought that in 30 years, they would still be good friends, with other people, and that it would be "funny" that they'd ever dated. It was also easy to feel warmly toward each other because she moved across the country to go to law school. So, when I met him, the ex (let's call her Miss. X) was much an important-- albeit long distance-- part of Mr. S's life. He had pictures of her up in his bedroom, they went on vacations together... She was also a very demonstrative person (territorial, I think now) and so would write him lovey-dovey things on Facebook and post a ton of we-are-having-the-best-time-ever pictures whenever they saw each other.

When we first started getting "involved," I really honestly did not care or feel jealousy toward Miss. X. I said things to Mr. S like, "You need to take those pictures down and tell her to chill out on facebook or you'll never get a new girlfriend." He told me that although there had been some romantic interaction when they first broke up, he REALLY was no longer interested in her in that way, even though he loved her very much as a person. He said that she was dated someone and they'd all hung out and he wasn't jealous at all. He said that he was focused on career at that point and didn't want a relationship, and if he did, he might consider making changes, but that he hoped anyone he dated would understand that it was possible to friends with exes. I was also VERY stressed with work, which is part of why I didn't want a relationship, so I just shrugged my shoulders.

Anyway, as time went on, he and I became closer and our relationship became more intense. I still did not feel threatened by Miss. X because I believed him about his feeling toward her. It did bother me a bit that he didn't care about appearances-- some people assumed that HE was pining after HER and that she had him wrapped around her little finger because she was dating more people and he didn't seem to mind her possessive facebook behavior.

I guess he had been telling her about me, and as we got closer, she began to freak out when she next came to town. First (I would later learn) she tried really aggressively to sleep with him, which had not happened in a year at that point, though he sort of went for it, it wound up just being very awkward and didn't really work out. The next day, she cried about how he was "trying to replace her" with me and that she felt so betrayed by him. He felt extremely guilty for (sort of) hooking up with her even though he had no intention of getting back together with her. He said was worried about her mental health state. We were not "in a relationship,' but neither of us had been sleeping with anyone else at that point, and we said we would tell each other if we did. At first, he was not honest with me about it... but then he did tell me.

Then, the next day, they were supposed to go to a party to which I had also been invited (even though it was being held by more their friends) and he actually asked me not to go because she said it would make her uncomfortable.

Now, I know I should have written him off right there--- or should I? I mean, we have been in a happy, love relationship for years now!-- but I couldn't resist... so, after she left town, things got back to usual between us.

The next time she came to town, a few weeks later, she tried to pull the same thing, and this time he told her that he wasn't going to ask me not to come because the party was more people from our work. At the party, he tired to introduce her to me (we'd never met) and she LITERALLY TURNED UP HER NOSE and walked away. I could not believe it. At first, he didn't apologize to me or bring it up. Again, I should have written him off, but I didn't... He later said that he was embarrassed and didn't think it would hurt my feelings, just that I'd think he was idiot. I admit I did do a good job of hiding my feelings back then.

Unbeknownst to me, her rude behavior toward me led to a huge fight between them. I guess also, in between that time, she'd begun acting more and more possessive and inappropriate, even though she had another boyfriend at that point, and he was getting pretty sick of it. He told her didn't want to speak with her for some time.

Not long after, I told him that things had progressed to the point where I couldn't keep up with "not relationship" thing anymore, and that if he wanted romantic contact with me, he'd have to commit... It was then that he told me everything about what had happened with Miss. X and also that they were not speaking at all at that point. We decide to "make it official" and things were good.

When she contacted him a few months, she was very like, "Well, I guess I've taken the time I need. I know we both have a lot of apologize for, but I'm ready to extend the olive branch because you are so important to me." I am not kidding. She literally said that. He wrote back that he was still pretty angry with her and that he was happily committed to me now and that if she needed to accept that if she wanted to be friends again. She wrote, "I don't think that will ever happen. I can't believe you are choosing some temporary girl over me." He didn't write back, and that was that...

Periodically, over the next few years, she's contacted him in different ways-- sometime to apologize, sometimes to chew him out for really imaginary offenses, sometimes through other people, sometimes with made up excuses. He doesn't usually write back, and if he does, it's very short, polite, and firm. She even visited town, and when he didn't write back about getting together, she wrote him another e-mail saying that he'd ruined her vacation! Seriously, I have come to realize that this girl is a piece of work, and he has too.

He says he never thinks about her at all. We live together, and talking marriage, having a great time... and she is the farthest thing from his mind. But I think about her all the time-- how rude she was to me, how callous and dishonest he was, how her pictures were on his wall, how devoted he was to her, how (even if superficially and temporarily) he seemed to have chosen her over me, how I had to push for a commitment, how I should have walked away a million times.

Since then, he has been totally honest, faithful, patient, amazing. For YEARS.

How can I stop thinking about this before it ruins the best relationship I've ever had?
 
i read this word for word.
my thoughts are random.
what happened, happened. yo cannot change that.
what is, is. and it is apparently very very good from what you've written.
get yourself to counseling and learn how to get over this.
continue to own up to feeling hurt and jealous about the "early times" but don't let this ruin what seems to be a wonderful relationship.

i'm all for closure and i'm all for symbolic acts.
don't stone me for this but i am feeling rather witchy today: get a picture of her. paste it onto a doll. stick pins in it and burn it. all the time saying that you are done with the ugly past and want to live in the "now". remember as you do this that you are not trying to hurt her but are trying to remove the hurt from you. write a letter about all your feelings or just print out your post and put it with the doll. allow the negativity to literally and figuratively go up in smoke. cleanse your mind of the past and look to the future.

i might also add that things must be really good in your life if you have to go so far back to find something to complain about. remember that. good men and good relationships are hard to find and even harder to maintain.

you've got a good head on your shoulders. you know you need to get past this. you realize this could jeopardize your relationship. it is now up to you to do what needs to be done. this includes being up front with your SO and being clear that future contact with her would be hurtful and that given her inappropriate behaviors, she really isn't friend material. it does sound to me, though, like he's over the "let's be friends" idea.

go to counseling AND burn the doll! life is to short to live in the past even if its only 2% of the time.
 
I think the important thing is that since the day you decided to be in a committed relationship, he's treated you well. Before that point he was treating you exactly how you chose to be treated- as a friend with benefits. He really didn't owe you much at that stage since that was the agreement (spoken or unspoken) you had. Remember that he has chosen to be with you even with ample opportunity to pick her.
 
Just to clarify- does he have any contact with her now?
 
Thank you all so much for reading and responding. It's even longer than I thought... GULP!

MZ - Acting out my rage and actually burning something might make me feel silly-- which actually might help!

amc - You are right. I am mad at myself for not acting with a whole lot of self-respect. Actually, he was always pretty respectful of me, giving me exactly what I said I wanted (FWB, relationship) at various times. Not his fault I didn't like what I asked for.

lulu - not at all. Well, she recently e-mailed me (and actually CCed me-- that's a new tactic!) with a long apology that was another excuse for her to talk about her feelings (kinda like I did here! LOL!). He was sarcastic: "Oh cool. Glad she e-mailed us her journal" and wrote back something like: "Thanks for your thoughts. Hope you are well." And then she started including both of us on all these e-mails to friends (change of address, etc) and he wrote to her that while he wished her no ill, he really didn't need to be included on these mass e-mails. So yeah, no. I mean, I expect she'll keep coming back out of the woodwork-- it's been three years and she hasn't stopped, so I don't know if anything will make her stop.
 
Well, I think he should stop being friendly with her completely, out of respect for you. Just my opinion. I have no problem with female/male friends, BUT they were intimate at one point, so I think that changes everything. Sounds like she is still hung up on him. I think exes should stay exes. I would be jealous too if my DH had an ex he once slept with as a friend. It's normal to feel that way. But it sounds like he is maintaining boundaries and he is being firm with her, so that's good.

As long as he treats you well and he makes you his priority above everyone and everything else, then that is the most important thing.
 
Well, if he's not in touch with her, you have to let it go. I used to have a person in my life who was taking up way too much space in my head after our friendship was over. DH gave me the best advice-"everytime she comes into your mind say 'God bless her' and let it go." It really works.
 
Obviously the ex-GF is outside of your control and will or will not continue to make contact with him/you/both of you... I do think you need to take a long long long breath and just let it go - she is nothing to your guy anymore, and with each inappropriate contact she makes she becomes even less to him.

If you can, fix her in your mind as someone in your guy's past he was once close with -- you also must have ex-BFs you were once close with -- our exes (and former relationships) are part of our history and relationship DNA; there's no way around the fact that all of us have back-stories filled with people good and bad.

The way the ex-GF has been acting this last while has pretty much put paid to any idea of even a friendship kindling up again... your BF has clearly put you first and has communicated this to the ex -- if anything, this whole situation has really allowed you to see that your BF is a stand-up guy who is respectful of women but doesn't let himself (or you) be manipulated by people who have shown their true colors.

You and your BF each have chosen each other - and the ex-GF has drama-queened herself out of any real place in your BF's life - whatever there was between them is just history - by dwelling on thinking of her and all the negativity that subject brings up for you, you allow her to have a position in your relationship that just doesn't match up with reality. Allow yourself to feel secure with your BF - he couldn't have handled himself any better in this situation - and consciously banish any jealous or bitter thoughts about the ex-GF that pop in your head. And good luck to you - I know it isn't easy changing thought loops - but you are potentially damaging yourself and your relationship by fixating even just 2% of the time on all this so remind yourself she is just not important enough to waste time thinking about anymore.
 
what you're now describing is "stalking"....social and with cc's to you but stalking nonetheless. he is handling it very well. it is up to you to be adult and handle it equally well.

and therefore i conclude that you need to feel silly....so go ahead and act out your rage and be done with it! if you don't want to sacrifice a doll do the stick figure thing and name it "jealousy/rage begone". or at least print out this thread and burn it. do it. be done with it. move on.

your SO has done this and has proven that he is only interested in you. rather than look back at what was, look at the now and make the future happen without dragging the past into it. she may be hoping the cc's are eatting at you.......why let it?

or you can be entirely way too sensible and go for a couple of counseling sessions, listen to yourself and decide you sound silly.

either way it gets it out of your system.....which venting here may have also done.

you don't wishes of good luck with this one: you need a kick in the ass to realize how lucky you are the man chose you and didn't look back once YOU were clear about what you wanted.
 
Like amc wrote, really all that matters is what occurred once you two committed to a monogamous relationship and became an official couple. Let all that happened prior to that be water under a bridge. She sure does sound like a piece of work, and she's not worth the space in your brain.

Before my husband and I became "official," I did my share of misbehaving. But once I committed to him, man, I COMMITTED. Whole-heartedly. I can't imagine my life without him, and looking back, I can't believe I didn't realize just how special he was the moment I laid eyes on him. But relationships are a process in evolution, you know. It sounds like you guys have evolved quite well. She was just a glitch in the process, that's all. Whenever the green-eyed monster rears his (or her) ugly head, try to focus on the here and now.
 
counseling
or write it out and burn it
or try lulu's trick - I've done something like that before, and it took a long time, but it worked

But MZ is also right in that what she's doing borders on stalking. If your BF hasn't already done so, it would be most appropriate for him (and you) to block her email, FB posts, and whatever else.

But it sounds like you do need to take some sort of action to change the way you've allowed her room in your head, before YOU allow her to get between you and your BF again.
 
You feel like you've been betrayed from him. Haven't forgiven him. And are afraid to give him the trust again. Despite everything else you share, you are holding on to you anger over this and using it as a shield. What are you afraid of that you aren't trusting him again?

You have a choice to make. Live in the past, hold onto your distrust, and lose him over it in the future. Because you will. Or let go for it, trust him, and take a chance at a new life.

That's it.
 
This is tough. You are in a relationship with him, he is committed to you yet she is kind of trying to insert herself back to where she USED to be (the role of the GF) and yet... she is NOT the GF - you are!

Your BF has handled this very well. He has been committed to you and it sure seems like that is where he wants to be - with you. I know this is hard, but somehow, you have to rise above this crap and let it go. Yes, it will probably be the worst challenge you've faced yet in this relationship,but seems to me, its worth it. However you can best manage to get her out of your head - is what you have to do. It may suck - the notion of counselling - but that just might be the most amazing thing for the two of you. You love him, he loves you - she's just lingering like a ghost memory in the relationship, so I think if you can control that "ghost" influence, you will find your relationship stronger than ever.

I wish you the best (whoever you really are!!) and hope that there is nothing but a bright and loving future for the both of you. :halo:
 
The ex sounds like she's heading into stalker territory - I think it would be a really good idea for him to not even respond to her emails anymore, ever. His occasional responses might be encouraging her to keep in touch.

I think counseling might help you, or maybe keeping a journal or confiding in a friend or relative. You definitely have to try to get past these residual feelings of hurt and jealousy so that they don't negatively effect your relationship. I know it's very hard, but maybe if you constantly remind yourself that he has proven through his actions that he has absolutely no interest in her and wants nothing to do with her, you can start to get over this.

You mention still being hurt over certain things he did at the very beginning of your relationship - again, you have to keep reminding yourself that you guys really didn't have an established relationship and by your own admission were friends with benefits and things between you were pretty undefined. I understand that his behavior hurt and angered you, and I wonder if you ever discussed this with him - it might bring you some closure. But on the other hand, if you have already told him how you felt, it won't help to keep bringing it up. The guy can't change the past and there's only so much he can say, and you might just end up going in circles. The bottom line is you haven't totally forgiven him, and you need to try to figure out how to do that to go forward in your relationship.

I wish you all the best, and I really hope you can get past these feelings and feel more at peace very soon - it's very draining, stressful and upsetting to be feeling the way you do. I think the anger and jealousy will dissipate with time, but the sooner you can get past these toxic emotions the better. I realize this is so much easier said than done, and you are entitled to your feelings, but they're getting in the way of your happiness and you really have to get rid of them!
 
I can't say this 'sort of' happened to me, but I can definitely understand where you are coming from. When DH and I were still just friends, hanging out, there was another girl he was somewhat interested in. They had kind of grown up together, but she moved away. She was coming back to visit (staying with him, at his house and in a hotel!) right as we starting casually dating, and I felt so...yuck. It was clear to me that she had no real interest in him - she just kept him around to pay her attention and compliments. He was the one she would call when her on again/off again boyfriend fought with her. She would even send him photos as she was getting dressed to go out, asking which outfit looked better! When he introduced us, she also did the 'nose up, walk away' trick. :roll:

Anyway, I *thought* at the time I was showing clear signs of being interested in him. So I felt as if I were betrayed as well, as if he chose her over me. But...he had no idea I had real feelings for him. He thought we were probably what your BF thought you guys were - friends, a bit more, but not actually emotionally invested. I don't think he has done anything wrong, just as I don't think my DH did anything wrong. But honestly, I struggled with those feelings of YUCK for a good year or so after we started dating. :nono:

I finally got over it as I got older and had a bit more life perspective. You have to actively squelch that 2% of crappy feelings. You can check books out from the library or see a counselor, they'll both have good strategies. It is not something that comes naturally - YOU have to make those feelings go away. Because the happy relationship you have deserves that, and requires that. I also found that I felt better if DH would respond to this girl (because she DID continue contacting him, asking about our relationship and wanting to be endlessly complimented) with positive things about us. She would casually ask how things were, he would mention a lovely holiday we had planned. She would complain about her boyfriend, he would respond about how thankful he was to not have relationship drama to deal with. Eventually, if your BF ONLY responds with happy news about his life with you, she will give up.

Good luck, I know feelings can be a challenge - you WANT to feel one way, and think you SHOULD, but you actually feel totally different. It's a challenge, but changing those feelings is something you need to do.
 
Looking from the outside, I have a hard time seeing how Mr S acted callously or dishonestly towards you as a general rule or in a major way. Asking you not to go to a party because of her was rude, I agree. I don't know how long it took him to tell you that he had slept with her but I can see that it would be an awkward conversation and I would sympathize with him if it was a reasonable time frame (and assuming that safety precautions were in place both with you and with her). Considering that you had a friends with benefits arrangement, he didn't have to keep you updated with all the details of his interactions with Ms X, just as he probably didn't tell you all the details of his interactions with other people.

She is a piece of work, all right, and she is the one who was callous and rude towards you. She snubbed you at the second party, not him. Since she is a grown woman and has no relationship with him, why should he have to apologize for her behaviour? We can only apologize for things we are responsible for. However, he did call her out for it in private so he was watching your back. She is the one who keeps contacting him and trying to get him back. He isn't urging her and just ignores her, which is good in my book.

Once you agreed to have a committed relationship, he has been faithful, loyal and hasn't given Ms X the time of day. Yet you continue to think about this woman, who has been out of his life for years. He chose you over her every time except one (when he asked you not to go the party).

Am I just saying you should put your big girl panties on and deal with it? No. Your feelings are real and you have to deal with them, to get to a better place both personally and for your relationship. If possible, I think that a therapist or a counselor would be a good idea. A third party will be able to work with to figure out why you feel so threatened and jealous of a dead relationship.
 
I hate that, there's often "that one girl" that your gut gives out about isn't there! I think it sounds like you have a great guy and a great relationship, and that this girl is totally off the radar in his mind now. I agree with others who say find a way to squelsh these feelings, because there are bound to be other little bumps in the road throughout your future, that's just the nature of relationships, so it will be a good lesson to learn how to overcome them.
 
junebug17|1339820697|3217513 said:
The ex sounds like she's heading into stalker territory - I think it would be a really good idea for him to not even respond to her emails anymore, ever. His occasional responses might be encouraging her to keep in touch.
I agree with this. Irrational people often take any communication as a good sign, even if he's saying, "Stop contacting me." In her mind, it's still contact, and I'd bet she's reading into it and telling herself it means something else.
 
I suggest setting a filter that automatically deletes her emails. Or add her to your spam list.
 
Has he ever told told her to stop contacting him?

Has he changed his email?

I would expect my BF or DH to take those steps, especially if he knew her pursuit and continual contact bothered me.
 
There's a reason why you can't let this go and you need to figure out what it is. I was a little confused by your timeline, but I assume that your boyfriend hasn't had any sort of significant emotional or physical relationship with his ex since the two of you officially committed to each other. It sounds like the real problem, though, is that you committed to the relationship before he did so his close encounter and other dealings with her felt like some type of betrayal. You wouldn't be the first to feel that way. Friends with benefits can be an emotional minefield. If one person starts to feel and want more while the other continues on his merry way , it's easy to feel hurt and betrayed. Maybe that's why you still have trust issues about him and his ex.

If that's true, you're going to need to work it out in some way. Maybe therapy, maybe just understanding that your boyfriend was on a different timetable than you and it took awhile to extricate himself from that emotional tornado of an ex-girlfriend. If he hasn't given you any reason to wonder about his commitment since the two of you became "official," you need to forgive him for falling in love slower than you did and move on. And he needs to stop having ANY contact with her. Not because of you, but because of her. You can be friends with an ex, but not when that ex is a drama-filled whack job.
 
Dear you've had really excellent advice here. I can't add anything except to say what you already know, you were pissed off with him for letting her intrude, now its you who are letting her intrude. This unhappy woman is getting far too much of your time. Hmmmm... well at the risk of sounding cliché:
Buddhist monk and acolyte walking walking walking, months and months. They come to a small stream outside a village and there's a prostitute stuck because she can't cross and she'll ruin her showy clothes. The monk just picks her up and piggy-backs her over. Puts her down and carries on walking. The acolyte is HORRIFIED at the 'contamination'. He is angry and confused and starts to lose his respect. Does his duties surlily and is impolite and hurt. After a few weeks the monk says: 'What's wrong boy' and the young man replies 'I can't BElieve you touched that whore.' and the monk says: 'I carried her for a few minutes. You've been carrying her for weeks. Put her down boy, put her down.'
 
I wonder whether she would be bothering with your fiance if he were not attached to someone. This kind of "competition" has insecurity at its roots. Also the more she projects her stuff onto your fiance and you the less she has to deal with it herself. And hey it works look how she gets to you and how you take her stuff on. Anger and jealousy is so understandable (I had a similar situation in my life and I hold grudges) but the reverse, involving forgiveness and moving on is where confidence and empowerment come from. Don't allow someone with a strong personality, on an insecure foundation, take you over. The more you focus on yourself and your own growth as a person the stronger you'll be to withstand the onslought of negative people. If this is a stalking case that doesn't go away, its a job for the police.
 
Hey Sockpuppetina - how are you feeling after reading all these suggestions? Is anything resonating with you? Does it help at all?? I'm hoping it does, but ultimately, you (and sadly, it is YOU only...) have to just let this chick go. She's taking up too much time and real estate in your head. Its hard...we all have our insecurities and when someone gets a hold of one of them and 'plays it', its even harder to let it go, but your man has been faithful and loving to you alone since you two became an official relationship.

I hope you get thru this smoothly. Like you said, you'd hate to ruin the best relationship ever... Have faith that he is yours and she is just a thing of the past. {{{HUGS}}} to you! You can get thru this!
 
sockpuppetina|1339804982|3217335 said:
I can't believe you are choosing some temporary girl over me." He didn't write back, and that was that...

Periodically, over the next few years, she's contacted him in different ways-- sometime to apologize, sometimes to chew him out for really imaginary offenses, sometimes through other people, sometimes with made up excuses. He doesn't usually write back, and if he does, it's very short, polite, and firm.

You do not write back to a stalker.

After everything you've described, he's still writing back? He might be confused, or feel bad for her, or be clinging to his fantasy that she's a good, lifetime friend, but whatever the reason, I think his continued contact with her is the real problem.

I'd insist he clear up this loose end in his personal life. I'd insist he cease all contact with her.
 
Hello all! You would not believe it-- my laptop finally died this weekend, and I didn't want to use the shared desktop computer to answer this thread. I am SO sorry I didn't respond to all of your wonderful, helpful advice earlier. I have been reading along on my phone, though! Anyway, I just got my new laptop all set up. I will respond in more detail after dinner. I just wanted to check in because I felt so bad to have not responded after such warm, no B.S. responses to my long winded whiny rant. YOU GUYS ARE AMAZING. And brb.
 
First off, I wanted to say that this thread made me feel SO much better. I just think about this thread when I get all thought-looped and it helps me break it off.

I have also been using Lulu's trick and let me tell, it is magic! There's something about that phrase that is the right mix of compassion and kiss-off that nails it. The Monk story is also a good one.

In thinking about counseling, which I do appreciate many of you politely suggesting, I was thinking that I *do* have obsessive tendencies. It's the same set of traits that make me very good at my job... and make me love PS and diamonds/gems so much. It's an attention to detail and ability to see flaws instantly. I think this is a very useful set of traits at times, but can also make you eagle-eyed to things that make you unhappy. in this instance, it's manifest as remembering exactly every word he's ever said about her, all the positive things from, like, 4 years ago. I need to figure out why nitpicking and making myself miserable like this is, in a way, satisfying. In addition, Gypsy is right that this is a trust issue-- but I think more to do with me having a hard time trusting people in general when it comes to feeling vulnerable. Anyway, counseling is definitely something I am considering seriously. I am not resistant. It's more of a timing issue.

Thanks also to those of you who have been there--- to greater and lesser extents-- helps me feel less alone and crazy but also gives some perspective to how minor this is.

I would say that she is definitely unstable and stalkerish, but her contacts have really petered out. The first year, it was every month, then every couple of months, then every six months or more... I don't mind that he writes back to her because he always does so in such a business-like, short way that I think that gets the message across better than not writing back, when I think would seem to her more dramatic, and weirdly more satisfying? Nevertheless, it made me feel better to read many of you expected an even more extreme cutting-off of her, even if I don't really want to ask that of him.

Anyway, the point is, I am not worried about her... or him... I *know* he know thinks she is crazy and manipulative and feels embarrassed that he was so oblivious for so long. I *know* that at this point, she only wants to get attention from him when she's feeling particularly attention-starved or whatever. I have no doubt that they will never, ever be friends again. You are right that i am the only one who can stop that. You guys have been a big help.

((Sorry to not address everyone individually. I feel nervous even being signed into this account!)
 
Really glad you are finding the feedback, support and advice helpful.
Its funny how our strong points are often our weak points too. I'm a worry wart, result, I plan and put in place solutions for possible problems and don't often get caught with my pants down. On the other hand I fret myself into the ground often for nothing.
So its a question of embracing the good that your perfectionist trait brings but respecting the imperfect too. Do you know the Leonard Cohen track: 'There is a crack, a crack in everything, its how the light gets in...'
And a spot of counselling with a good counsellor can only do good, since all of this is easier to say than do :)
Well done you for recognising your wobbliness in this and not casting around for blame.

All the very best :wavey:
 
truth: ying/yang of everything.
every good quality has a negative quality and the opposite.
sort of like having "the power" and deciding whether to use it for the the light side or the dark side.
 
I'm glad you found the responses helpful and supportive - I realize it's very easy to say "get over it" but not so easy to actually do - emotions have a mind of their own! Hope I wasn't too harsh in my post.

I'll bet it made you feel a little better to just vent a little!

I guess the problem is there's no way of knowing if you'll ever be able to be totally free of these feelings. I suppose all you can do is give it more time - I would think with the passage of time your anger and jealousy will eventually fade, but in the meantime you'll have to figure out ways to cope. I hate to be negative, but you might reach a point where you decide you just can't get over your feelings.

I hope you find a way to deal with your emotions - you will feel more at peace and your relationship will be better for it - Best of luck to you! I really hope you start feeling better soon.
 
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