CBO Report on new health care act

[Matata]

It's about as bad as it was expected to be. The federal deficit will be reduced on the backs of the uninsured. Guardian article included for those who can't access NYT. All major news sources are carrying the same info.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/13/us/politics/affordable-care-act-health-congressional-budget-office.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-ab-top-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/13/budget-office-republican-healthcare-coverage-deficit-costs

 

[ruby59]

Does it mention that a percentage of it are people who did not want health insurance in the first place and are now dropping it because they do not want it.

Does it also mention that under ObamaCare many had healthcare that was basically useless and not even accessed.

If you want healtcare you can get it, but just not on the backs of others.

 

[Calliecake]

Does it mention that a percentage of it are people who did not want health insurance in the first place and are now dropping it because they do not want it.

Does it also mention that under ObamaCare many had healthcare that was basically useless and not even accessed.

If you want healtcare you can get it, but just not on the backs of others.

Are you still going to be all for this plan when your premium's and deductibles increase signicantly? Be careful what you wish for Ruby.

 

[ruby59]

Does it mention that a percentage of it are people who did not want health insurance in the first place and are now dropping it because they do not want it.

Does it also mention that under ObamaCare many had healthcare that was basically useless and not even accessed.

If you want healtcare you can get it, but just not on the backs of others.

Are you still going to be all for this plan when your premium's and deductibles increase signicantly? Be careful what you wish for Ruby.

First off when these people scored ObamaCare it turned out they were way off.

Second, as I have said before, I pay my own way and do not expect others to make it easier for me and my husband as we are two able bodied people. I am hoping though that when this is tweaked in phases 2 and 3 that they will allow us to get insurance across state lines which will bring down costs.

 

[VapidLapid]

Guns before butter

 

[ksinger]

Guns before butter

LOL! How true.

 

[Matata]

Hermann Göring said "Guns will make us powerful; butter will only make us fat." So in a circuitous manner, this whole thing may make us healthier nicht wahr? No butter = no fat people = no negative health consequences from obesity = no need for health insurance. Ta da all problems solved.

 

[ruby59]

Guns before butter

LOL! How true.

Republicans are not a herd of people. We have varying beliefs on different issues - same as you democrats.

 

[VapidLapid]

We are a herd.

 

[Matata]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/mar/12/mick-mulvaney/fact-checking-white-house-attack-nonpartisan-cbos-/

 

[ruby59]

We are a herd.

Apparently so.

 

[ruby59]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/mar/12/mick-mulvaney/fact-checking-white-house-attack-nonpartisan-cbos-/

I believe it was ruled half truth.

But ObamaCare is imploding and companies are3 running for the hilsl.

Would you rather have had Trump just let it self destruct before he acted?

And for people like me it was premised on a lie that those who had their own policies and doctors would be left alone.

 

[E B]

For example, a 64-year-old earning $26,500 per year would have annual out-of-pocket costs increase by $14,600, from $1,700 per year under current law.

Jesus. Well done, Ryan & Co!

You get what you vote for, I guess.

 

[Calliecake]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/mar/12/mick-mulvaney/fact-checking-white-house-attack-nonpartisan-cbos-/

I believe it was ruled half truth.

But ObamaCare is imploding and companies are3 running for the hilsl.

Would you rather have had Trump just let it self destruct before he acted?

And for people like me it was premised on a lie that those who had their own policies and doctors would be left alone.

Leaving 24 million people without health insurance doesn't bother you?

 

[ruby59]

For example, a 64-year-old earning $26,500 per year would have annual out-of-pocket costs increase by $14,600, from $1,700 per year under current law.

Jesus. Well done, Ryan & Co!

You get what you vote for, I guess.

Is this the final bill?

 

[Calliecake]

For example, a 64-year-old earning $26,500 per year would have annual out-of-pocket costs increase by $14,600, from $1,700 per year under current law.

Jesus. Well done, Ryan & Co!

You get what you vote for, I guess.

Ryan is disgusting. He won't be affected so why worry about anyone else. Do they not realize that the people who voted the republicans in will be affected by this.

 

[katharath]

For example, a 64-year-old earning $26,500 per year would have annual out-of-pocket costs increase by $14,600, from $1,700 per year under current law.

Jesus. Well done, Ryan & Co!

You get what you vote for, I guess.

Ryan is disgusting. He won't be affected so why worry about anyone else. Do they not realize that the people who voted the republicans in will be affected by this.

Holy sh!t this is bad.

Yes, Ryan is vile.

 

[ruby59]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/mar/12/mick-mulvaney/fact-checking-white-house-attack-nonpartisan-cbos-/

I believe it was ruled half truth.

But ObamaCare is imploding and companies are3 running for the hilsl.

Would you rather have had Trump just let it self destruct before he acted?

And for people like me it was premised on a lie that those who had their own policies and doctors would be left alone.

Leaving 24 million people without health insurance doesn't bother you?

I essentially had no health insurance under ObamaCare because I was paying most of it out of pocket and putting off many other things as long as I could.

Having a crappy health insurance policy for many of us was basically not having insurance but still having to pay for it.

 

[Tacori E-ring]

Quote from the second article posted: "The report also concluded that barring Planned Parenthood from receiving federal dollars would amount to $234m less in Medicaid spending over 10 years. But about a third of those savings, the report warned, would be wiped out by unintended pregnancies caused when low-income or rural women lose access to contraceptive services. Planned Parenthood receives Medicaid reimbursements for providing STI and contraceptive services, but not abortions, to low-income patients at no cost."

I am a believer that healthcare is a right not a privilege. I consider myself very fortunate that I get healthcare (though I pay a portion) through my employer. However stripping Medicaid will only result in higher premiums for the rest of us. Working in healthcare has taught me that people still seek medical care with or without insurance. Those without never plan on paying their bills. That creates a loss for the hospital which then increases the charges for the rest of us.

 

[ruby59]

For example, a 64-year-old earning $26,500 per year would have annual out-of-pocket costs increase by $14,600, from $1,700 per year under current law.

Jesus. Well done, Ryan & Co!

You get what you vote for, I guess.

Ryan is disgusting. He won't be affected so why worry about anyone else. Do they not realize that the people who voted the republicans in will be affected by this.

Holy sh!t this is bad.

Yes, Ryan is vile.

And thankfully at 65 or 66 he will have Medicare. So yes it will be hard for two years.

But under ObamaCare many in their 20s and 30s would have to pay for crappy policies with astronomical deductibles for decades.

 

[lovedogs]

For example, a 64-year-old earning $26,500 per year would have annual out-of-pocket costs increase by $14,600, from $1,700 per year under current law.

Jesus. Well done, Ryan & Co!

You get what you vote for, I guess.

This is horrible--just as bad as I was afraid of.

 

[Matata]

John Oliver gets down to the basics re: AHCA. WARNING -- Contains profanity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ifi9M7DRazI

 

[Dee*Jay]

And thankfully at 65 or 66 he will have Medicare. So yes it will be hard for two years.

But under ObamaCare many in their 20s and 30s would have to pay for crappy policies with astronomical deductibles for decades.

Fortunately now the healthy 20 and 30 year olds can elect not to have insurance at all and so only the old and sick (i.e., he heavy users) of the system will be paying into it... and taking from it. Whew -- glad we go the economics of THAT worked out.

 

[ruby59]

And thankfully at 65 or 66 he will have Medicare. So yes it will be hard for two years.

But under ObamaCare many in their 20s and 30s would have to pay for crappy policies with astronomical deductibles for decades.

Fortunately now the healthy 20 and 30 year olds can elect not to have insurance at all and so only the old and sick (i.e., he heavy users) of the system will be paying into it... and taking from it. Whew -- glad we go the economics of THAT worked out.

Sorry, but you cannot force someone to make a purchase. It is just wrong.

 

[lovedogs]

And thankfully at 65 or 66 he will have Medicare. So yes it will be hard for two years.

But under ObamaCare many in their 20s and 30s would have to pay for crappy policies with astronomical deductibles for decades.

Fortunately now the healthy 20 and 30 year olds can elect not to have insurance at all and so only the old and sick (i.e., he heavy users) of the system will be paying into it... and taking from it. Whew -- glad we go the economics of THAT worked out.

EXACTLY! I am confused that people don't seem to understand how insurance works. There have been multiple articles pointing out how Ryan seems equally unclear about how this works. HEALTHY PEOPLE PAY INTO THE SYSTEM IN ORDER TO HELP PEOPLE WHO ARE SICK. That is how insurance works. Same with car insurance. People who don't have car accidents pay insurance in order to offset the higher costs of people who do have car accidents.

This sums it up nicely (from an article in Esquire, but has been paraphrased many other places at this point)

Paul Ryan said that insurance cannot work if healthy people have to pay more to subsidize the sick.

This is literally how all insurance works. If someone's house burns down, some of your fire insurance money goes to help that person rebuild. If someone gets sick, some of your premium, healthy person, goes toward that person's coverage. Increasingly, I have come to believe that Paul Ryan is a not particularly bright creature from another world. Let us see if we can explain this to the lad.

Let's say that, in 1986, a 16-year-old lad loses his father to a sudden heart attack. Despite the fact that the family's construction firm is relatively prosperous due to its generous share of government contracts, the family's finances are considerably straitened. For the next two years, the young man and his mother receive Social Security survivor's benefits. Of course, these came from millions of people who had Social Security withheld from their paychecks and whose fathers did not die young due to a sudden heart attack. One of them was, say, a 32-year-old sportswriter for the Boston Herald, who had Social Security withheld from what he was paid to watch the Red Sox blow the '86 World Series, and whose father was still alive, but slipping fast into Alzheimer's. Some of his money went to make sure Paul Ryan could complete high school and go on the college and get the BA in economics that made him the smartest man in the world.

Got it now?

 

[ruby59]

Those without never plan on paying their bills.
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To Tacori - then garnish their wages so a little per month comes out to pay these bills.

 

[ruby59]

And thankfully at 65 or 66 he will have Medicare. So yes it will be hard for two years.

But under ObamaCare many in their 20s and 30s would have to pay for crappy policies with astronomical deductibles for decades.

Fortunately now the healthy 20 and 30 year olds can elect not to have insurance at all and so only the old and sick (i.e., he heavy users) of the system will be paying into it... and taking from it. Whew -- glad we go the economics of THAT worked out.

EXACTLY! I am confused that people don't seem to understand how insurance works. There have been multiple articles pointing out how Ryan seems equally unclear about how this works. HEALTHY PEOPLE PAY INTO THE SYSTEM IN ORDER TO HELP PEOPLE WHO ARE SICK. That is how insurance works. Same with car insurance. People who don't have car accidents pay insurance in order to offset the higher costs of people who do have car accidents.

This sums it up nicely (from an article in Esquire, but has been paraphrased many other places at this point)

Paul Ryan said that insurance cannot work if healthy people have to pay more to subsidize the sick.

This is literally how all insurance works. If someone's house burns down, some of your fire insurance money goes to help that person
rebuild. If someone gets sick, some of your premium, healthy person, goes toward that person's coverage. Increasingly, I have come to believe that Paul Ryan is a not particularly bright creature from another world. Let us see if we can explain this to the lad.




Let's say that, in 1986, a 16-year-old lad loses his father to a sudden heart attack. Despite the fact that the family's construction firm is relatively prosperous due to its generous share of government contracts, the family's finances are considerably straitened. For the next two years, the young man and his mother receive Social Security survivor's benefits. Of course, these came from millions of people who had Social Security withheld from their paychecks and whose fathers did not die young due to a sudden heart attack. One of them was, say, a 32-year-old sportswriter for the Boston Herald, who had Social Security withheld from what he was paid to watch the Red Sox blow the '86 World Series, and whose father was still alive, but slipping fast into Alzheimer's. Some of his money went to make sure Paul Ryan could complete high school and go on the college and get the BA in economics that made him the smartest man in the world.

Got it now?

I understand how insurance works. But this is still america and you cannot force people to make a purchase they do not want.

If your house burns down and you do not have insurance, you are basically screwed.

Your money only goes to those that also pay for house insurance. Not the ones who go without it.

So if you are young and healthy and want it, by all means. And then a portion of their payment goes to pay for someone who is sick.

However if you are having a major health issue, a hospital has to and of course should treat you.

But as Tacori said, some just do not pay the bill. And that is why their paycheck should be garnished to make the payments they refuse to.

 

[VapidLapid]

Its like tithes. We pay into it, not so the church leaders can have sex with our sons, but so the church leaders can set up systems of support for the poor, lest we become poor ourselves.

 

[Tacori E-ring]

Those without never plan on paying their bills.
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To Tacori - then garnish their wages so a little per month comes out to pay these bills.

What paychecks?

 

[ruby59]

Its like tithes. We pay into it, not so the church leaders can have sex with our sons, but so the church leaders can set up systems of support for the poor, lest we become poor ourselves.

In my family when money is tight we fasten our belts even tighter. And pick up a second job like I did during the Christmas season.

Or work longer like my husband is doing even though he could retire.

I give to my Temple and volunteer on my terms. But I do not appreciate when someone has a hand in my pocket.