Call for a general national strike

[Matata]

1 days wages, or a business' property (broken windows, stolen tvs etc) are very terrible things to lose yes.

But these DO NOTE EQUATE TO PEOPLES LIVES. This was something that came up during BLM. I 100% don’t agree with rioting or stealing. However in the grand scheme of things, someone getting shot by police (BLM) or someone dying in a war are much MUCH more important. This is the same argument used towards rape victims “Well do you not lock your car at night?!” Its very offensive to start equating objects or overall trivial things with actual human suffering.

You cannot pay your rent or your mortgage, you are out on the street.

You cannot feed your family, they go hungry.

I would call that human suffering as well.

You do not lock your car at night, you could be killed. Hardly a trivial matter.

All I can add is:

After my father died, my mom had a very difficult time. We danced around it, but basically she had a nervous breakdown. She stopped working until she could pull herself together and that took quite a while.

We children had to get jobs fast to hold everything together. The older ones got full time jobs. My sister and I worked after school and on Saturdays.

We hoped and prayed there were no added expenses or illness that would derail even one $ of that amount as it was all needed to carry us through. Bills do not care other then you pay them in full.

So, for some of us that one day does make a big difference.

 

[ruby59]

Yes, a national strike.

Cabs went on strike so Uber went into action.

Now people are using Lyft, boycotting Uber.

Trump supporters boycotting Stabucks. So that is why Dunkin Donuts was mobbed today.

Where?

Yes, block the airports so everyone suffers. My son and his colleagues went out on a private flight.

Lucky for them, either they have money or pull.

Yes let us have some looting too, because you know the troublemakers and anarchists cannot wait to get in on this. And who cares if some little mom and pop store and all their workers - that this is their sole means of support. Let it go up in flames.

Until it happens you cannot say this will.

Can't you see that it is the poorer people in this country who are the ones being hurt the most by this.

Until this happens - just look at the past.

You should say: In my opinion it is the poorer people in this country who are the ones being hurt the most by this.


b) where? Here in my home state of RI. Usually Starbucks is packaged.

b) lucky for whom? PWC - they had a conference in Florida, but wanted to keep their people safe. So they took a chartered flight.

Until this happens - just look at past events. And in the urban cities that can afford it the least.


IMO - of course it is. It is under my screen name and it is not in quotes.

 

[telephone89]

You cannot pay your rent or your mortgage, you are out on the street.
I don't know of a single mortgage broker that defaults you after 1 missed payment. 1 missed day could make you short, but it *likely* isn't going to pay for your entire mortgage.
You cannot feed your family, they go hungry.
Again, if you can't feed your family for that day, its terrible. But they wont go hungry. There are also, thankfully, food pantries available.
I would call that human suffering as well.

You do not lock your car at night, you could be killed. Hardly a trivial matter.
Um maybe if you're sleeping in it, because you were short the money from your mortgage? Otherwise no, you just get robbed. Lol.

I am terribly sorry to hear of your troubles as a child. I've said before, I was raised by a single mom and we struggled as well. But we were ALWAYS thankful to be alive. We ALWAYS gave back to the community. We ALWAYS knew we were fortunate for what we had.
My mother would have slapped me had she heard me equating to missing a days wages to being sent to a war torn country.

 

[telephone89]

1 days wages, or a business' property (broken windows, stolen tvs etc) are very terrible things to lose yes.

But these DO NOTE EQUATE TO PEOPLES LIVES. This was something that came up during BLM. I 100% don’t agree with rioting or stealing. However in the grand scheme of things, someone getting shot by police (BLM) or someone dying in a war are much MUCH more important. This is the same argument used towards rape victims “Well do you not lock your car at night?!” Its very offensive to start equating objects or overall trivial things with actual human suffering.

Thank you, telephone. I wanted to try and explain, because my sass got in the way of my reasoning due to some of the truly ridiculous posts.

It's so frustrating. I've typed out several posts on several threads and then deleted them for my sass as well

 

[ruby59]

You cannot pay your rent or your mortgage, you are out on the street.
I don't know of a single mortgage broker that defaults you after 1 missed payment. 1 missed day could make you short, but it *likely* isn't going to pay for your entire mortgage.
You cannot feed your family, they go hungry.
Again, if you can't feed your family for that day, its terrible. But they wont go hungry. There are also, thankfully, food pantries available.
I would call that human suffering as well.

You do not lock your car at night, you could be killed. Hardly a trivial matter.
Um maybe if you're sleeping in it, because you were short the money from your mortgage? Otherwise no, you just get robbed. Lol.

I am terribly sorry to hear of your troubles as a child. I've said before, I was raised by a single mom and we struggled as well. But we were ALWAYS thankful to be alive. We ALWAYS gave back to the community. We ALWAYS knew we were fortunate for what we had.
My mother would have slapped me had she heard me equating to missing a days wages to being sent to a war torn country.

You do not get it. A mom who was unstable and minor children in the hands of almost and barely adults who were not our guardians.
We were not going to alert anyone to this.

So yes, mortgages had to be paid on time and in full and we could not go to food pantries asking for help.

You had a mom taking care of you. When my mom had her nervous breakdown, we had to take care of each other. So your comparison obviously did not apply to my case.

When my mom got a little better she was grateful we kept the house and family together.

And you have never heard of a robber getting angry that you do not have alot of money to give him or just does not want any witnesses and shoots you anyway?

 

[lovedogs]

You cannot pay your rent or your mortgage, you are out on the street.
I don't know of a single mortgage broker that defaults you after 1 missed payment. 1 missed day could make you short, but it *likely* isn't going to pay for your entire mortgage.
You cannot feed your family, they go hungry.
Again, if you can't feed your family for that day, its terrible. But they wont go hungry. There are also, thankfully, food pantries available.
I would call that human suffering as well.

You do not lock your car at night, you could be killed. Hardly a trivial matter.
Um maybe if you're sleeping in it, because you were short the money from your mortgage? Otherwise no, you just get robbed. Lol.

I am terribly sorry to hear of your troubles as a child. I've said before, I was raised by a single mom and we struggled as well. But we were ALWAYS thankful to be alive. We ALWAYS gave back to the community. We ALWAYS knew we were fortunate for what we had.
My mother would have slapped me had she heard me equating to missing a days wages to being sent to a war torn country.

You do not get it. A mom who was unstable and minor children in the hands of almost and barely adults who were not our guardians.
We were not going to alert anyone to this.

So yes, mortgages had to be paid on time and in full and we could not go to food pantries asking for help.

You had a mom taking care of you. When my mom had her nervous breakdown, we had to take care of each other. So your comparison obviously did not apply to my case.

When my mom got a little better she was grateful we kept the house and family together.

And you have never heard of a robber getting angry that you do not have alot of money to give you or just does not want any witnesses and shoots you anyway?

This is all very sad. But none of it applies to a 1 day protest. I could go through line by line and explain why each part of what you wrote doesn't apply to a 1 day protest, but since telephone already did it appears pointless. I am truly sorry for what you experienced, but it just doesn't apply or make sense as a reason not to protest for 1 day.

 

[telephone89]

You do not get it. A mom who was unstable and minor children in the hands of almost and barely adults who were not our guardians.
We were not going to alert anyone to this.

So yes, mortgages had to be paid on time and in full and we could not go to food pantries asking for help.

You had a mom taking care of you. When my mom had her nervous breakdown, we had to take care of each other. So your comparison obviously did not apply to my case.

When my mom got a little better she was grateful we kept the house and family together.

And you have never heard of a robber getting angry that you do not have alot of money to give you or just does not want any witnesses and shoots you anyway?

*face palm*

Again, sorry for your childhood. Not sure what else you want me to say. That you shouldn't have been grateful to be alive? Living in a country where you had options but chose not to take them?

To your robber thing again - I don't think you understand what I was trying to say. Perhaps I was unclear in my initial post and that would fall on me. To spell it out, I was talking about car prowlers. Sometimes, when one leaves their car unlocked, an unsavory person comes by, opens the doors, and steals things from inside. Saying locking your car doors so your loose change isn't stolen is a very offensive metaphor when talking about a rape victim. Hopefully that makes sense now. Stop talking about people getting shot.

 

[Matata]

New York City Bodegas Will Shut Down To Protest The Immigration Ban
Yemeni-run grocery stores across the city will close from 12-8 p.m. on Thursday in protest of the controversial executive order.

posted on Feb. 1, 2017, at 12:53 p.m.
Cora Lewis
BuzzFeed News Reporter

Days after New York yellow cab drivers went on strike to protest President Trump’s executive order on immigration, another community of immigrants central to the life of the city are planning a strike of their own. Bodega owners — a trade where Yemeni Americans are well represented in New York City — plan to close their doors on Thursday to show their opposition to the ban.
The strike is planned from 12-8 p.m., so morning coffee and egg-and-cheeses will be be unaffected. Organizers say more than 1,000 Yemeni American grocery store owners across the five boroughs plan to participate.

Yemeni Americans have a heavy presence in the New York bodega scene, and many have family members still in the process of applying for residency, whose visa applications are now on hold.
“This shutdown of grocery stores and bodegas will be a public show of the vital role these grocers and their families play in New York’s economic and social fabric,” the strike organizers wrote on Facebook. “During the shutdown, grocery store owners will spend time with their families and loved ones to support each other; many of these families have been directly affected by the Ban.”
At a planned event on Thursday evening, at Brooklyn Borough Hall, “merchants will share the impact the Ban has had on them and their loved ones,” as well as “stories read on behalf of families who are afraid to come forward.”
They also plan a public call to prayer at sundown.

Widad Hassan, a 27-year-old graduate student focusing on international studies, and one of the organizers of the strike, told BuzzFeed News the community began planning the action several days ago, when a couple of business owners were talking about the executive order. The law bars Syrian refugees from entry indefinitely, suspends refugee admissions for 120 days, and blocks citizens of Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen from entering the US for 90 days.
Many of the merchants had family they could no longer visit, because of the threat of being refused re-entry into the country.
“A lot of these stores have been in the neighborhood for twenty or thirty years,” Hassan said. “And lot of people have been asking us, ‘Wouldn’t this hurt them because they’ll be losing money?’ The business owners have said the important thing is the statement being made. Many have been emotionally devastated. They can’t focus on work because they’re separated from their family members.”
Closing for business, even for the afternoon, is an extreme move within the Yemeni community, she said.
“Most people in Yemeni communities know it’s difficult to shut down a business — It’s usually a 24 hour store. Even during hurricanes, they keep themselves open,” she said. “But they really want people to be more aware of how it’s impacting them. For our community, we’ve been pretty much paralyzed — not knowing what to do, watching the headlines take over.”
Hassan added that the strike by the New York Taxi Workers Alliance was partly an inspiration for the action.
“That was definitely amazing,” she said of the taxicab work-stoppage. “I think it’s very important right now. For a long time, communities have felt that they can kind of make themselves invisible, despite what’s going on, in day to day living. I think these communities realize that that can’t happen anymore. We all have to make a statement and speak out about what we’re seeing — not only what’s affecting the Yemeni community but other countries — and there’s the notion that the ban might expand to include even other countries.
“One minute, I’m a Muslim New Yorker, born and raised here. With the stroke of a pen, your nationality or your family’s nationality becomes criminalized,” she said.

 

[ruby59]

That is an owner, correct.

What about all those factory workers who do the same thing?

Do you think they will all have jobs the next day?

So unless your company closes down, taking a day off with no excuse, could cause harm to a lot of people.

And I seriously doubt a lot of big corporations are going to shut their doors for the day.

 

[mary poppins]

mary poppins and ruby-

I take your point about small businesses and people who need wages seriously. Whether the General Strike is people staying home and shutting down the government or marching on Washington.

However, I do not think that the loss of business for one day would bankrupt a small business or an individual. There are other days on which businesses close and on which people do not go to work. It would be one day out of a year.
On the other hand, refugees from Syria are dying by the thousands.

There is also the point that Trump cannot be allowed to trample the Constitution, choosing one religious group against which to institute a ban.

These are very, very serious issues, worth one day of profits/pay.

Deb

Deb, my posts did not mention or refer to bankruptcy. I’m talking about financial hardship. Daily struggles due to financial hardship where people are living paycheck to paycheck or one unexpected incident such as car trouble or medical bill away from personal crisis. Having to decide between rent and food, electricity and transportation, child support payment or water. There’s a lot of disposable income on PS where people discuss and show purchases of jewelry and other luxury items. Describing a recent VCA purchase and stating indecision about which VCA item to purchase next. It’s not like that for the majority of people, many who are living on the edge. A day’s pay can make a different for many individuals and families.

The severity, gravity and travesty of the Syrian situation is not lost on me. The court system is addressing that on a fast-track, and there are many extraordinarily smart attorneys involved and at the helm championing for human rights and upholding the Constitution. Hopefully our system of checks and balances in that area will work as it should as they have so far.

The stated purpose of the general strike is to “protest our current government’s callousness about our environment and our health, its rampant greed, its disrespect for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”. That’s not limited to Syria, the EO or immigration. It is very broad and not tied to any desired outcome or result. To me, it sounds like it would be a large group of people gathering or staying home to say they are dissatisfied with a variety of positions the president has taken. That’s great for making people feel like they are doing something and getting validation and comfort from like-minded people, but to what end?

 

[Matata]

Deb, my posts did not mention or refer to bankruptcy. I’m talking about financial hardship. Daily struggles due to financial hardship where people are living paycheck to paycheck or one unexpected incident such as car trouble or medical bill away from personal crisis. Having to decide between rent and food, electricity and transportation, child support payment or water. There’s a lot of disposable income on PS where people discuss and show purchases of jewelry and other luxury items. Describing a recent VCA purchase and stating indecision about which VCA item to purchase next. It’s not like that for the majority of people, many who are living on the edge. A day’s pay can make a different for many individuals and families.

The severity, gravity and travesty of the Syrian situation is not lost on me. The court system is addressing that on a fast-track, and there are many extraordinarily smart attorneys involved and at the helm championing for human rights and upholding the Constitution. Hopefully our system of checks and balances in that area will work as it should as they have so far.

The stated purpose of the general strike is to “protest our current government’s callousness about our environment and our health, its rampant greed, its disrespect for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”. That’s not limited to Syria, the EO or immigration. It is very broad and not tied to any desired outcome or result. To me, it sounds like it would be a large group of people gathering or staying home to say they are dissatisfied with a variety of positions the president has taken. That’s great for making people feel like they are doing something and getting validation and comfort from like-minded people, but to what end?

To save the country from what a growing number people feel is a fascist regime. People will suffer regardless of tax bracket; some will suffer more than others. In the big picture, all will suffer so all can be free.

 

[ruby59]

You mean they way the are literally tearing up and setting fire to the Berkeley campus.

I wonder how the students who are getting caught in the violence feel or their terrified parents.