Bizare new ice cream

[kenny]

A restaurant in London is selling ice cream made from the breast milk of women.
I think of myself as open minded and can understand the argument that it is natural and even intended for human consumption, but this makes me uncomfortable.
Maybe I'm a prude after all.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/116301/20110225/breast-milk-ice-cream-icecreamists-baby-gaga-madagascan-vanilla-pods-lemon-zest.htm

 

[mayerling]

Given how bizarre London can be sometimes, I'm not surprised at all.

Kenny, you're not the only who's made uncomfortable by this.

 

[Aoife]

I didn't read the article, so I don't know if this was addressed, but when I eat yoghurt and ice cream made from cows milk, I know the milk has been pasteurized, and the production of the food regulated. Breast milk ice cream? Where does the milk come from, how healthy are the women, how many people have handled it? Not my thing.

 

[iLander]

I like this quote from the ice cream parlor owner: ""Some people will hear about it and go, 'yuck,' but actually it's pure, organic, free-range and totally natural."


Does he really mean "Free-range" Moms? LOL!

 

[princesss]

I'm sure PETA is pleased...me, not so much.

 

[Tuckins1]

Yes, I saw this on TMZ, of all places. Seems like a waste of breast milk to me. There are lots of underdeveloped countries that could probably use that breast milk to actually feed babies!

 

[TravelingGal]

Old news. It was pulled a couple of days ago because of possible health concerns and is being tested.

 

[MichelleCarmen]

Grown adults & breast milk ice cream. Isn't that like cannibalism or something? lol

 

[kenny]

Come to think about it ... what's more bizarre ... adults consuming milk from their own species or from a cow or goat?

I think we just got used to what is actually more bizarre, perhaps because it is more economical.
Those free range moms (hat tip to iLander) are expensive.

 

[MichelleCarmen]

Come to think about it ... what's more bizarre ... adults consuming milk from their own species or from a cow or goat?

I think we just got used to what is actually more bizarre, perhaps because it is more economical.
Those free range women are expensive.

Well, we don't eat meat of our own species, do we? We eat meat of cows (and I guess goats? I've never had goat meat...but, maybe others have), so long social practice has set a clear division between what is acceptable and what is not. It depends upon culture, too, as some do not eat cow. But, if we're talking about those who do, cows are a food source. Human women are NOT!

And, yes, I did breast feed my babies, so I'm not anti-breast feeding. I wouldn't want milk from some chick's breast though. That's flat out WEIRD!!!

 

[kenny]

Come to think about it ... what's more bizarre ... adults consuming milk from their own species or from a cow or goat?

I think we just got used to what is actually more bizarre, perhaps because it is more economical.
Those free range women are expensive.

Well, we don't eat meat of our own species, do we? We eat meat of cows (and I guess goats? I've never had goat meat...but, maybe others have), so long social practice has set a clear division between what is acceptable and what is not. It depends upon culture, too, as some do not eat cow. But, if we're talking about those who do, cows are a food source. Human women are NOT!

And, yes, I did breast feed my babies, so I'm not anti-breast feeding. I wouldn't want milk from some chick's breast though. That's flat out WEIRD!!!

I agree it's weird, which is why I would not order this.

I just don't see why other's should be denied it.
If the milk passed health tests who is harmed?

I find tongue piercing more disturbing than this, but shall we make laws based on our personal index of yuckieness?
I respect democracy, but I don't like when a majority force their "morality" upon a minority.
It's intolerance.

 

[TravelingGal]

Come to think about it ... what's more bizarre ... adults consuming milk from their own species or from a cow or goat?

I think we just got used to what is actually more bizarre, perhaps because it is more economical.
Those free range women are expensive.

Well, we don't eat meat of our own species, do we? We eat meat of cows (and I guess goats? I've never had goat meat...but, maybe others have), so long social practice has set a clear division between what is acceptable and what is not. It depends upon culture, too, as some do not eat cow. But, if we're talking about those who do, cows are a food source. Human women are NOT!

And, yes, I did breast feed my babies, so I'm not anti-breast feeding. I wouldn't want milk from some chick's breast though. That's flat out WEIRD!!!

I agree it's weird, which is why I would not order this.

I just don't see why other's should be denied it.
If the milk passed health tests who is harmed?

I find tongue piercing more disturbing than this, but shall we make laws based on our personal index of yuckieness?
I respect democracy, but I don't like when a majority force their "morality" upon a minority.
It's intolerance.

Blay blah intolerance blah blah. Seriously, is everything these days about intolerance to you?

The only intolerance I'm concerned about on this subject is lactose.

 

[dragonfly411]

I like this quote from the ice cream parlor owner: ""Some people will hear about it and go, 'yuck,' but actually it's pure, organic, free-range and totally natural."


Does he really mean "Free-range" Moms? LOL!

So is cow's milk from pure, organic, free range cows.


I think it's a little gross and probably not good for you. Cow's milk, goat's milk, camel milk, are all made to be nourishing for their species, they just so happen to be nourishing to us too. The thing about it is there are certain enzymes in human breast milk that are made for human babies that we probably really don't need in adulthood. I'll stick to cows. Heck, I'll even be adventuresome and try goat, or camel milk.... maybe even horse! Actually in the deserts, Arabian horses are fed a mixture of camel's milk and dates twice a day. Totally random but I thought of it lol. I just couldn't do the human breast milk thing.

 

[JewelFreak]

+1 Traveling Gal. Eeeuuwww.

--- Laurie

 

[kenny]

Everyone is intolerant, including me.
Long ago some cultures sacrificed humans.
I would not tolerate that.
I would support laws making that illegal.

If one person wanted to chop off a finger and another person wanted to eat it I would not tolerate that, even though they were both consenting adults.
Some stuff crosses a line.

I would not tolerate female circumcision, but I tolerate male.

I just draw a line in a different place than some, but I do have a very healthy moral compass.
Where I disagree with the compass analogy is when it is implied that ALL compasses point to some universal North.

I don't mind being called intolerant.
It's true.
No biggie.
Not an insult.

 

[JulieN]

Eh. Maybe I'll make some at home if I ever lactate.

 

[ForteKitty]

So... at a double bachelorette party last year...

The brides to be were asked to drink breast milk. Both ladies' MOH recently had babies and were breastfeeding.

The brides took a shot of b-milk and chased it down w/ some baileys... they said it wasn't too bad. kinda sweet.

 

[Tuckins1]

So... at a double bachelorette party last year...

The brides to be were asked to drink breast milk. Both ladies' MOH recently had babies and were breastfeeding.

The brides took a shot of b-milk and chased it down w/ some baileys... they said it wasn't too bad. kinda sweet.

Eew

 

[ForteKitty]

i was kinda grossed out, but what happened to the leftover milk was far, far worse. We didn't know it was that fatty... it seperated in the sink, and clumped up!

 

[Laila619]

I like this quote from the ice cream parlor owner: ""Some people will hear about it and go, 'yuck,' but actually it's pure, organic, free-range and totally natural."


Does he really mean "Free-range" Moms? LOL!

So is cow's milk from pure, organic, free range cows.


I think it's a little gross and probably not good for you. Cow's milk, goat's milk, camel milk, are all made to be nourishing for their species, they just so happen to be nourishing to us too.

Except cow's milk arguably really isn't all that nourishing to us! Unless you buy organic, it's generally filled with all kinds of hormones, pesticides and bacteria. Even then, a lot of people just can't drink cow's milk because of lactose/dairy intolerance.

 

[dragonfly411]

I like this quote from the ice cream parlor owner: ""Some people will hear about it and go, 'yuck,' but actually it's pure, organic, free-range and totally natural."


Does he really mean "Free-range" Moms? LOL!

So is cow's milk from pure, organic, free range cows.


I think it's a little gross and probably not good for you. Cow's milk, goat's milk, camel milk, are all made to be nourishing for their species, they just so happen to be nourishing to us too.

Except cow's milk arguably really isn't all that nourishing to us! Unless you buy organic, it's generally filled with all kinds of hormones, pesticides and bacteria. Even then, a lot of people just can't drink cow's milk because of lactose/dairy intolerance.

Laila - Two things. One I noted the pure, organic, free range cows.

Two. Milk is actually very very healthy and good for you. It is a major source of calcium, which is extremely important to growth and bone strength. Unfortunately due to some of the things in soy and almond milk, it is harder to absorb calcium when drinking them. That's why milk is recommended to growing children and even adults. For those with lactose and dairy intolerance, yes it is a problem, and they should try to get their calcium from calcium rich veggies.

Last night I went to a birthday celebration for twins turning 21. Our friend is currently breast feeding, and dared another friend's boyfriend to do a shot. He was game but his girlfriend was totally grossed out so he didn't do it. We were all

 

[janinegirly]

Come to think about it ... what's more bizarre ... adults consuming milk from their own species or from a cow or goat?

I think we just got used to what is actually more bizarre, perhaps because it is more economical.
Those free range women are expensive.

Well, we don't eat meat of our own species, do we? We eat meat of cows (and I guess goats? I've never had goat meat...but, maybe others have), so long social practice has set a clear division between what is acceptable and what is not. It depends upon culture, too, as some do not eat cow. But, if we're talking about those who do, cows are a food source. Human women are NOT!

And, yes, I did breast feed my babies, so I'm not anti-breast feeding. I wouldn't want milk from some chick's breast though. That's flat out WEIRD!!!

I agree it's weird, which is why I would not order this.

I just don't see why other's should be denied it.
If the milk passed health tests who is harmed?

I find tongue piercing more disturbing than this, but shall we make laws based on our personal index of yuckieness?
I respect democracy, but I don't like when a majority force their "morality" upon a minority.
It's intolerance.

Blay blah intolerance blah blah. Seriously, is everything these days about intolerance to you?

The only intolerance I'm concerned about on this subject is lactose.

+2 to TGAL!

 

[KimberlyH]

There are NICUs full of babies who could benefit greatly from this milk; I wish it were being used in that way instead.

As for tasting breastmilk, it's recommended that breastfeeding mom's who pump taste their milk to ensure it hasn't turned. That doesn't bother me in the slightest.

 

[lbbaber]

Funny, bc I am breastfeeding my baby boy as I read this thread. Even the idea of drinking my own milk (or tasting) grosses me out-lol. To try someone elses??? I'd rather not injest other people's body fluids (healthy or not!!!!)
When I was in High School, I worked in a video store that had an 'adults only' section. There are videos aimed at men that 'like' lactating women. I dont quite get it myself but to each their own I guess!

 

[Nomsdeplume]

Yum. Maybe with some dandruff sprinkles?

 

[Pandora II]

I like this quote from the ice cream parlor owner: ""Some people will hear about it and go, 'yuck,' but actually it's pure, organic, free-range and totally natural."


Does he really mean "Free-range" Moms? LOL!

So is cow's milk from pure, organic, free range cows.


I think it's a little gross and probably not good for you. Cow's milk, goat's milk, camel milk, are all made to be nourishing for their species, they just so happen to be nourishing to us too.

Except cow's milk arguably really isn't all that nourishing to us! Unless you buy organic, it's generally filled with all kinds of hormones, pesticides and bacteria. Even then, a lot of people just can't drink cow's milk because of lactose/dairy intolerance.

Laila - Two things. One I noted the pure, organic, free range cows.

Two. Milk is actually very very healthy and good for you. It is a major source of calcium, which is extremely important to growth and bone strength. Unfortunately due to some of the things in soy and almond milk, it is harder to absorb calcium when drinking them. That's why milk is recommended to growing children and even adults. For those with lactose and dairy intolerance, yes it is a problem, and they should try to get their calcium from calcium rich veggies.

Last night I went to a birthday celebration for twins turning 21. Our friend is currently breast feeding, and dared another friend's boyfriend to do a shot. He was game but his girlfriend was totally grossed out so he didn't do it. We were all

Sorry but you are wrong - the calcium in cow's milk is not easily absorbed by humans. We get far more calcium from vegetables like broccoli than we do from cows milk. The high levels of calcium in cow's milk are however a powerful inhibitor of iron-absorbtion which can be a problem for young children who drink a lot of milk and develop significant anaemia. I was advised by a hospital paediatric nutritionist not to give my daughter cow's milk for this reason.

I haven't read all the research but a lot of work is being done on a link between consumption of cow's milk and juvenile diabetes, especially consumption in early childhood. According to the Lancet, allergies and intolerance to cow's milk is a significant factor in SIDS,

Many humans are unable to produce the enzyme lactase which is required in order for lactose to be absorbed. The production of lactase declines significantly in all mammals once they are weaned and humans basically have to train themselves to be able to tolerate milk and even then in many individuals this isn't possible.

The main human consumers of milk are Caucasians in developed countries - only around 20-40% are lactose intolerant. Among black people the rate is around 80-90% and almost all native Americans are intolerant.

Add to this the hormones, antibiotics, white blood cells aka pus and other stuff in milk - and this is before considering the possibility of other nasties like brucellosis, TB etc. Okay so the milk is pasteurised killing off all these nasties? Well it doesn't kill them all off but it does lose almost 70% of vitamins A, D and E, around 50% of Vitamin C and almost 100% of vitamins B6 and B12. Manufacturers therefore add vitamin D back into the milk artifically.

Hormones - around 80% of the oestrogens consumed by humans come from cow's milk. Modern milk is especially problematic as the cows are milked during pregnancy when levels are highly elevated. In nature a cow would have weaned it's calf and would not be lactating in the latter stages of pregnancy. In less developed countries where milk is an important part of the diet - such as Mongolia, cows are not milked after the very early stages of pregnancy and their milk contains much lower levels of hormones than the milk available in the modern world.

High levels of oestrogens have been linked to increased risks of cancer. Milk consumption and rates of testicular cancer are strongly correlated and high consumption of dairy products is a risk factor for breast cancer.

I used to work in veterinary research into bovine TB in dairy herds and worked in a department covering a host of lovely cow diseases.

Neither my husband nor I have ever drunk cow's milk - but we do eat butter and cheese (which doesn't contain lactose btw). The rest of my family all consumed a lot of milk and are all very lactose intolerant.

On the breast-milk ice-cream... don't see anything worse than donating breast-milk to babies. Many hospitals give donated milk to premature babies and if you check out the threads in Family and Home here there are a number of PSers who donate their milk to other families. Personally I wouldn't want to eat it (but then I don't like milk anyway) but I reckon my daughter would not only love it but would then want me to buy an ice-cream maker and get producing! DH did also suggest I could make some $$$ donating to the company!

It's all just a cultural thing - we consider cow, goat, buffalo and sheep milk acceptable. Some cultures drink mare and yak milk. Would we drink rat or cat or dog or what about giraffe milk? If not, why not?

In Mongolia children are often not weaned till the age of 7 or 8 and adults still like to have the odd bit of breast-milk - it's often given to the elderly.

 

[Haven]

I'm all about eating what you want, but something about this makes me feel all icky inside. If other people want to drink breast milk? Fine, have at it. Just please don't put it in my ice cream.

I'm interested in the discussion about humans drinking cow's milk. I love milk. LOVE IT. I drink about a gallon of skim milk a week, sometimes two, sometimes three. As a child and all the way through college I drank about a gallon of milk a day. I was never overweight, never sick from it, or anything.

That being said, DH's cousin has been on a terribly annoying crusade to wean me from my cow's milk for years. He asserts that it is extremely unhealthy and that humans are not supposed to drink cow's milk. (Of course, he drinks Diet Coke. I'd rather drink the milk, thank you very much.)

My sister's FI has a similar milk obsession, but he drinks only 2% or whole milk. I would BE a cow if I drank either of those versions!

TGal--Lactose intolerance. Tee hee. You kill me.

 

[kenny]

My partner is lactose-intolerable.
You don't want to be around him after he's had cheesy pizza. Peeeuuuuwwww!

BTW I LOVE milk too.
I drink tons of it - non-fat from Trader Joe's.
All their dairy is from cows that don't get rBST, even and still just $2.69 a gallon.
The supermarkets gouge you on rBST-free milk - Imagine that - paying MORE for not getting something. LOL

rBST is that controversial synthetic growth hormone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recombinant_bovine_somatotropin

SNIP
The United States is the only developed nation to permit humans to drink milk from cows given artificial growth hormone.[1]
Posilac was banned from use in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan and all European Union countries (currently numbering 27), by 2000 or earlier.

In the United States, public opinion has caused a number of products and retailers to become rBST-free.

 

[PilsnPinkysMom]

I like this quote from the ice cream parlor owner: ""Some people will hear about it and go, 'yuck,' but actually it's pure, organic, free-range and totally natural."


Does he really mean "Free-range" Moms? LOL!

So is cow's milk from pure, organic, free range cows.


I think it's a little gross and probably not good for you. Cow's milk, goat's milk, camel milk, are all made to be nourishing for their species, they just so happen to be nourishing to us too.

Except cow's milk arguably really isn't all that nourishing to us! Unless you buy organic, it's generally filled with all kinds of hormones, pesticides and bacteria. Even then, a lot of people just can't drink cow's milk because of lactose/dairy intolerance.

Laila - Two things. One I noted the pure, organic, free range cows.

Two. Milk is actually very very healthy and good for you. It is a major source of calcium, which is extremely important to growth and bone strength. Unfortunately due to some of the things in soy and almond milk, it is harder to absorb calcium when drinking them. That's why milk is recommended to growing children and even adults. For those with lactose and dairy intolerance, yes it is a problem, and they should try to get their calcium from calcium rich veggies.

Last night I went to a birthday celebration for twins turning 21. Our friend is currently breast feeding, and dared another friend's boyfriend to do a shot. He was game but his girlfriend was totally grossed out so he didn't do it. We were all

Sorry but you are wrong - the calcium in cow's milk is not easily absorbed by humans. We get far more calcium from vegetables like broccoli than we do from cows milk. The high levels of calcium in cow's milk are however a powerful inhibitor of iron-absorbtion which can be a problem for young children who drink a lot of milk and develop significant anaemia. I was advised by a hospital paediatric nutritionist not to give my daughter cow's milk for this reason.

I haven't read all the research but a lot of work is being done on a link between consumption of cow's milk and juvenile diabetes, especially consumption in early childhood. According to the Lancet, allergies and intolerance to cow's milk is a significant factor in SIDS,

Many humans are unable to produce the enzyme lactase which is required in order for lactose to be absorbed. The production of lactase declines significantly in all mammals once they are weaned and humans basically have to train themselves to be able to tolerate milk and even then in many individuals this isn't possible.

The main human consumers of milk are Caucasians in developed countries - only around 20-40% are lactose intolerant. Among black people the rate is around 80-90% and almost all native Americans are intolerant.

Add to this the hormones, antibiotics, white blood cells aka pus and other stuff in milk - and this is before considering the possibility of other nasties like brucellosis, TB etc. Okay so the milk is pasteurised killing off all these nasties? Well it doesn't kill them all off but it does lose almost 70% of vitamins A, D and E, around 50% of Vitamin C and almost 100% of vitamins B6 and B12. Manufacturers therefore add vitamin D back into the milk artifically.

Hormones - around 80% of the oestrogens consumed by humans come from cow's milk. Modern milk is especially problematic as the cows are milked during pregnancy when levels are highly elevated. In nature a cow would have weaned it's calf and would not be lactating in the latter stages of pregnancy. In less developed countries where milk is an important part of the diet - such as Mongolia, cows are not milked after the very early stages of pregnancy and their milk contains much lower levels of hormones than the milk available in the modern world.

High levels of oestrogens have been linked to increased risks of cancer. Milk consumption and rates of testicular cancer are strongly correlated and high consumption of dairy products is a risk factor for breast cancer.

I used to work in veterinary research into bovine TB in dairy herds and worked in a department covering a host of lovely cow diseases.

Neither my husband nor I have ever drunk cow's milk - but we do eat butter and cheese (which doesn't contain lactose btw). The rest of my family all consumed a lot of milk and are all very lactose intolerant.

On the breast-milk ice-cream... don't see anything worse than donating breast-milk to babies. Many hospitals give donated milk to premature babies and if you check out the threads in Family and Home here there are a number of PSers who donate their milk to other families. Personally I wouldn't want to eat it (but then I don't like milk anyway) but I reckon my daughter would not only love it but would then want me to buy an ice-cream maker and get producing! DH did also suggest I could make some $$$ donating to the company!

It's all just a cultural thing - we consider cow, goat, buffalo and sheep milk acceptable. Some cultures drink mare and yak milk. Would we drink rat or cat or dog or what about giraffe milk? If not, why not?

In Mongolia children are often not weaned till the age of 7 or 8 and adults still like to have the odd bit of breast-milk - it's often given to the elderly.

I'm glad you posted this, Pandora! My old pediatrician years and years and years ago advised my mother to not give us cows milk and said that the "nutritional value" can be obtained from other foods. If we absolutely wanted something milk-like he suggested rice milk. He basically thought we should drink H2O and get our calcium from dark green veggies.

Other than potential health risks (that could be avoided if the milk is tested/women are screened), I have no beef with this. Sure, it's made of bodily fluids from a human... but traditional ice cream is made from COW bodily fluids. It's just that cow-milk is widely accepted as normal and appropriate for general consumption.

That being said, I won't be jumping in line for breastmilk ice cream.

 

[Haven]

I'd love to see their logo.
And if they have "suckling" in their motto, I may buy a t-shirt.