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Sorry this is going to be long. Note: I AM looking more for sympathy and wise advice given in a considerate manner. Please don''t be too brutal with the honesty. Thanks.

Ugh. I just found out some things about some law school friends that''s really really ticking me off. I just found out that this friend, who we''ll call K, that I was really close with last year, has been mad at me for the last 10 months. Long story short, we were close up until second quarter of last year, and then spring quarter I felt her kind of pulling away. I attributed it to the fact that spring q is the hardest, busiest and most stressful quarter of the first year. And this past summer, I was out of the country and she was busy working for a judge, so it wasn''t unusual that we didn''t talk (I really was in close contact with my BF and my family because of time difference and so much going on at work). Well we got back to school this year, and she''s been totally cold-shouldering me. Won''t say hi or acknowledge me in the hallways (same with BF), won''t invite us to any group gatherings (and we''re in the same large group of friends), etc.

Well tonight I was talking to another friend (B) and the subject came up, and B told me that K had always been mad at me for offering B my apartment at a lower price than hers last April. If I remember right, she had offered hers to him (she was in a 2BR with her BF and she would be out of state the summer but her BF wouldn''t, so B would have the 2nd bedroom) and I had said (once) to B that he should sublet from me (mostly jokingly because I knew he had already agreed to hers). My apt was in the same building as hers and is a 1BR and I said I would offer it to him at a really low price bc i basically just wanted it off my hands.

B told me tonight that she''s been mad at me since, and THAT''s why she was cold-shouldering me all this time. ALL THIS TIME!!!! And she hasn''t said a word to me. I''ve been going around this entire time wondering what was going on because I didn''t recall ever doing anything mean to her, saying anything mean to her, doing anything to make her angry, etc.

Now I''m really pissed off that 1) she''s been angry at me over this for 10 freakin'' months - come on! Let''s go to grown-up land here!; and 2) that she hasn''t said anything to me. I mean, if she had, I would have apologized for making her feel whatever the way she felt and we could have resolved this. Instead, she held onto this issue for nearly a year. B says K is "starting to get over it." I didn''t say this to him because although I love B he''s a huge gossip (although I ranted to my poor sleepy BF later) but at this point, I don''t care if she''s getting over it. If she wants to ignore me because of something like this, fine, I don''t want a friend like that who can act so petty.

And on a side note, a lot of my law school friends have been really high-maintenance with our friendship...last quarter and this quarter, I have mostly seminars so I don''t go to school when I don''t have class - I just don''t like hanging out there, studying there, etc. So every time they see me, it''s like "oh you still go here?" At first, it was just teasing, but now when they say it there''s definitely an edge to it.. plus another friend, who is VERY high-maintenance - every time I say anything to him, his response is "well it''s your fault, you''re never here." How do I respond to that? Plus BF and I are apparently no longer being invited to parties or what not, like our other friend D''s party this past weekend (casual thing). I know I wouldn''t have been able to go anyway - her cat induces serious allergic reactions in me that take hours for me to get over, but still. Half of my friends here are really great and don''t try to force our friendship and i love and respect them for that. The other half are making me want to actively ignore them instead of just not being around because they''re driving me crazy.

I hate it when people try to force friendship...my high school and college best friends are awesome in that regard. We care for each other and we''re always there for each other, but we get that we all have different busy lives...we''re not going to get mad if we have stuff going on because we know it doesn''t jeopardize our friendship. URGH.

Sorry for how long this is, but I''m so annoyed. I''ve not played a perfect part in all this by any means, but I''m just feeling a little ganged up on and feeling frustrated with this whole situation.
 
Whose apt. did B end up staying in?
 
Date: 1/27/2009 10:29:21 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
Whose apt. did B end up staying in?

Hers. I actually ended up just paying double rent - not fun when your apartments are in Chicago and Tokyo
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Hang in there. There is a fine line, somtimes, between keeping friends and forcing friends. You''ll find it.
 
ICK i can''t believe some people can hold a grudge for that long I just don''t get it - you''re right not to want to waste your time with someone who can be so petty!

Just go with the flow and don''t get caught up in their drama especially if you feel ganged up on.. could it be that everyones just stressed out and taking it out on each other (or specifically YOU)? i mean i hear how tough law school can be..

Hang in there!
 
BEG- Aw, that sucks. No real advice- unless you want to say something to K and clear the air?

Just wanted to say I''ve been there- law school is ridiculously gossipy and high school-ish. Don''t know why, but I was amazed at the cattiness that went on among otherwise mature and intelligent people. Something about the pressure, I guess. At least it''s only a few years long! I am a few years out of law school, and I am still close to a select few, but have lost touch with the others (for good reason).

Hang in there!
 
You are SO not going to care about this in the years to come. So shake it off and move on. Nobody needs frenemies; life is much too short. Go find some new friends, people who will like you without high maintenance expectations -- ''cause frankly, you''re all far too old to play these games. And you deserve better anyway.
 
This sounds like something girls would fight over in high school. You are far too mature to deal with that. I say keep it cordial and move on. You will find other friends that will treat you much better!
 
If she was a good friend, she would have had it out with you.
It sounds like she has communication problems, and probably confidence / power issues of her own. Not really your problem. It''s a shame that she couldn''t trust you enough to confide in you at a time when you could have worked it out together and strengthened your relationship.

But it sounds like it is possible she has a couple of interpersonal emotional ''issues'' that were there before you were, and that these have kept her keeping her gripes to herself. From this end of the computer, she seems a little passive-aggressive...
Also, she obviously had your side of it related back to HER by someone a little gossipy as well? Gossipy go-betweens can do a LOT of damage to a friendship!!

If she is influencing other friends against you I guess I would feel that I might benefit from having a quiet talk with her. Otherwise I would probably be cordial, friendly, but not bust myself too much to ingratiate myself with her...

When law school is over, this kind of petty behaviour will be seen as poor form. It''s amazing how many grown adults act like idiots and spoiled teenagers, though...
 
i just wanted to say that i hear ya on this one. i am going through a very similar situation wiht my two childhood friends that happen to be sisters. one is not speaking to me at all and the other feels that i have no time for her and don''t care about her at all. this is certainly not true i just have so much going on in my life right now... silly me for thinking that we would be friends no matter what. i literally spent hours on the phone last weekend apologizing for *neglecting* our friendship.

bottom line- people are petty and rude and very selfish. you need to live your life and let go of all the dramtic bull-
 
Gosh BEG... So sorry to hear this. Some people just doesn''t know how to approach others when they have negative feelings against them for one reason or other. It''s kindda like passive/aggressive type.

I have family members like this.... you hear from another person that so-and-so has been mad at you and for years on end!! (and it''s usually petty crap).
 
Deep Breath In. Deep Breath Out.

Sometimes it feels better just to get it off your chest... a nice VENT!

I think I would smile, for 10 months she was angry at you for something sooo small. You just found out. So this has been eating at her a long time. What a waste. Seems like she could have just said, "Dude I''m mad at you...." I mean aren''t lawyers known for their ability to speak during stressful situations? Aren''t they known for interrogating a witness?

Oh well... if she can''t even confront you, a friend, she isn''t going to do well at this job of hers. And do you really want to associate with people that aren''t going to get you to the top of your profession? Nah... so "k" peace out!

and just move on. you didn''t even notice for 10 months... and if B didn''t interfere... you''d just think she was PMSing. I wouldnt be mean or cold, it is a small circle, but I wouldn''t stay awake at night worrying about it... I mean if you are up late... take it out on your man... he might like that form of stress relief!
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Clearly what happened could have been laid to rest had K been mature enough to confront you and sort the issue out...

I think that, as school begins to wind down, you''ll start to see that some of your "friends" aren''t friends because of choice, but by circumstance. It sounds like K and you have different ways of handling friendships and disagreements. At this point I would just shrug is off...obviously you haven''t had a mental breakdown in the last 10 months over things with her, so why bother with one now? You have way more important things in your life than this girl and her attitude problem...
 
Date: 1/27/2009 11:02:21 PM
Author: ChinaCat
BEG- Aw, that sucks. No real advice- unless you want to say something to K and clear the air?


Just wanted to say I''ve been there- law school is ridiculously gossipy and high school-ish. Don''t know why, but I was amazed at the cattiness that went on among otherwise mature and intelligent people. Something about the pressure, I guess. At least it''s only a few years long! I am a few years out of law school, and I am still close to a select few, but have lost touch with the others (for good reason).


Hang in there!

Yup. I DITTO 10000000%!!! I made some of my best friends in law school, and also met some TOTAL loons!! I had one girl that was my CLOSEST friend my first year. We were together constantly. Long story short, she decided that because I decided to summer for a large firm (which she also applied to, but did not get an interview), I was a bad person and she effectively ended the friendship. The woman hates me to this day. Totally nuts.
 
I think of grad school (so this probably goes for law school too) like trying to make friends in a bomb shelter scenario. You''re either going to make a friend for life because you''re under so much stress and you have an alliance system to survive it, or friendships are going to be based completely on self-gain and people are going to be absolutely neurotic because of the stress that they''re under.

The fact that your classmates are childish and nuts doesn''t surprise me...just keep your head up, rely on the people who are there for you (BF, family, mentors), and think of it as a short-term chunk of your life. :)
 
10 months later and she''s only just starting to get over it? Wow! That''s awfully kind of her to move on so quickly after she didn''t put on her big girl panties and tell you what was wrong to begin with
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I''m sorry that they aren''t including you, but I''d upset too. They sound really petty. I can''t believe someone would hold a grudge for that long.
 
Date: 1/28/2009 10:12:37 AM
Author: littlelysser

Date: 1/27/2009 11:02:21 PM
Author: ChinaCat
BEG- Aw, that sucks. No real advice- unless you want to say something to K and clear the air?


Just wanted to say I''ve been there- law school is ridiculously gossipy and high school-ish. Don''t know why, but I was amazed at the cattiness that went on among otherwise mature and intelligent people. Something about the pressure, I guess. At least it''s only a few years long! I am a few years out of law school, and I am still close to a select few, but have lost touch with the others (for good reason).


Hang in there!

Yup. I DITTO 10000000%!!! I made some of my best friends in law school, and also met some TOTAL loons!! I had one girl that was my CLOSEST friend my first year. We were together constantly. Long story short, she decided that because I decided to summer for a large firm (which she also applied to, but did not get an interview), I was a bad person and she effectively ended the friendship. The woman hates me to this day. Totally nuts.
Double Ditto. Brown-Eyed.Girl, I am sorry you are having a hard time with your friend. There is something about law school that makes people act just like they are in high school. One of my law school roommates literally did not speak to me for a month after she found out through another friend that I got better grades than she did. It was ridiculous, yet characteristic of her personality, and we no longer speak. I also have a few very close friends from law school (I graduated 5 years ago), but don''t really talk to the larger group that I was friends with anymore. In fact, by our 3L year, most of us weren''t hanging out as much. Maybe it was too much time spent together the first two years, but I just burnt out on a lot of thse friendships. I think it''s pretty funny that as far as I know, ChinaCat, littlelysser, Brown.Eyed.Girl and I all went to different law schools, and had this same experience.
 
Yuck. Remember once upon a time when we were all told that people eventually grow up and act like adults? Not quite accurate.

This girl is petty and ridiculous, and she''s not acting like a friend. 10 months of grudging over something that didn''t even end up hurting her? I''d be glad to have her ignoring me.

Sorry about the stress. Enjoy your time with the people who are genuine and pleasant - those friends who aren''t forced are the real gems.
 
Oh jeez, BEG, so sorry you have to deal with all this pettiness. I don''t know what to say - some people are just like that, and it sucks. Do you think there''s an element of jealousy on K''s part? You guys are at a fairly elite school, and the pressure to do well is probably a little higher than usual. Add to that the pressure of scoring internships, clerkships, offers, etc, and the general underlying competitiveness of law school. Maybe that''s not it at all - some people are just irrationally uber-sensitive. Just stick with your faithful, steady friends - they''re probably the ones you''ll keep up with after law school anyways. And hey, I like you - even if you you''re waaay ahead of me in the jewelry/
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DebShine - thanks. You''re right there is a fine line...I think this situation, as unpleasant as it is, has helped delineate that line much more clearly!

Namaste - I know! The sheer amount of time over what seems to me to be such a small thing has me shaking my head. Thanks for the sympathy! I think in a way it''s been good that I''ve been distancing myself a bit...it does help in staying clear of the drama, unless the drama is brought right to my doorstep, lol. I''m sure part of it is stress - there''s a lot of stuff going on right now. A few friends don''t have jobs yet - coming from a top 14 school in a major legal market, as second years, that shouldn''t be possible but it is. Others have found that their job expectations way exceeded the reality - not their fault so much because this market has really impacted us, but still.

Chinacat - thanks for sharing your experience too! It helps a lot to hear that other people, at other schools, have gone through similar things. I think at this point I want to cut my losses. Terrible I know, and 10 months ago I would never have considered it - I would have found our friendship to be worth salvaging. Unfortunately, I don''t think K feels that way based on her actions the last 10 months, so at this point, now that I know WHY things have been this way, I just want to lay it to rest. And yes, law school is ridiculous. I actually stayed out of most of our group''s drama ... mostly because I wasn''t single from the first month of 1L when I met my BF, and because I spend a lot of time with BF, isolating me from various hissy fits - I hear about them later as people vent (for example: our friend G got pissed at our friend L, who offered to help G during 2L interviews a few months back by writing a letter to the hiring partner, etc. recommending him - the firm she had worked at last summer was one of his top choices. He got mad and said she was trying to falsely get his hopes up and a REAL friend wouldn''t do that - wth??? She only wanted to help! G was also the one who wanted serious attention by saying he knew he had failed every class 1L....but never checked his grades (or so he said anyway - I personally think he caved a long time ago and checked).

HollyS - I know I won''t care about it in a few years. I feel much better after having slept on it, and I woke up feeling that I really didn''t want to pursue this drama - i''d rather forget about it. My mom did tell me (quite frequently) before law school that friendships will have a different undertone...in the sense that these are people who will be our colleagues in the near future, who will be the ones who remember you from law school if ever there comes a time to recommend you for a job, etc. And she''s right. I have no desire to pursue an altercation or argument over this - at least now I know the type of person I was trying to be friends with, and know enough to steer clear from that type of person from now on. And thank you for the advice and sympathy btw!

OUpeargirl - oddly enough, I had LESS of this drama in high school
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Maybe that''s what makes it a little unexpected now...I mean, my school is not known for being cutthroat. Until this economy crap hit the fan, there wasn''t a need to be - we''re a really good school, and unless you want a prestigious clerkship or job in academia (which doesn''t apply to most of my friends) there''s no need to act competitive. And we haven''t. We''ve been super-supportive over 1L...but I think now that that stress is over, the bonds that really forged our group last year are significantly less...we don''t need each other anymore and I think that can be hard to deal with for some. Thank you for your kind words and advice! You''re right - I am going to keep it cordial, but I am definitely definitely moving on.

Lara - I agree. I feel like if our friendship was as important to her, she would have said something. I don''t think I''ve ever treated anyone where they felt like they couldn''t say something to me if something was bothering them. I don''t want to armchair-psychologize her, but i think there are a few things going on other than this stuff. K and her BF T were a couple for four years before law school and they aren''t any closer to engagement than BF and I are (and BF and I have only been going out for a little over a year). I can see how that might be frustrating - I mean, they ARE our "old married couple" and that could be a factor. Aside from that, there were a few things regarding our 1L and 2L job searches that kind of are hitting me now, in light of all of this. We actually had interviews at the same firm last year...I pulled out before hearing because my dream job had come through (which she may have applied for...it was the job in Tokyo and we had similar qualifications, including Asian-language skills). She didn''t get the job at the other firm either, and ended up working for a well-known judge (very prestigious, but no money). Also, this year, my BF and I got offers from a top 10 law firm in NY during on-campus interviewing (due to stuff that happened last year, we were VERY fortunate, esp. in this legal market). We also got offers together at another firm. K and T got offers at the other firm and they accepted. K and T did NOT both get offers at the firm BF and I chose (the first one - sorry if this is confusing). It''s trivial, but I can''t stress what a pressure-cooker our school was then especially after Lehman Bro. hitting the fan. I mean, thank goodness I wasn''t really around - because I got this offer early on, I canceled most of my interviews. But when I was there, people were kind of rude, angry, stressed out...it was bad. So I can see how some of htis stuff could have been exaggerated. I mean, that''s just my "maybe could have possibly" thoughts speaking.

CBS - thanks dear! And I''m sorry to hear that you''re going through the same thing. It''s such a tough situation to be in, but of course, I know from your previous posts that you''re a strong woman, and you''ll get through this. I think it''s commendable that you want to assure and reassure her of your friendship...but friendship is about give and take right? and it does sound like you''re at a busy time of your life. I kind of think of it in terms of one of my best friends from high school (we''ll call her K2 because the "friend" im having problems with is also K). She''s extremely busy. I mean, it takes her at least a week to respond to a simple e-mail about her wedding (in which i''m the MOH). On the other hand, I know she has school to deal with, plus wedding planning...and I can''t do much for her because we''re so far away. the least i CAN do for her is to cut her some slack...because I know she''s busy and she''s legitimately busy. I know that our friendship is solid and she''s not ignoring me for x y and z reason - just that she has things to do.

Mochi - thanks for the sympathy dear! and lol, that sounds like my family a bit - our gossip train spans the country and back. I hear about how my friend from college''s mom isn''t happy at me (for overshadowing her daughter by graduating early?!?!) from my mom who heard it from my grandma, who heard it from my great-aunt who lives in the same state as my cousins, who heard it from friend''s mom because they go to church together. sheesh!

TLH - yes, a vent does wonders! Especially on here - my BF just stopped by the bookstore, and i said that while i love talking to him about things, sometimes you just need some female perspectives
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It IS a waste...and I regret that our friendship has really gone downhill over it. But like I said before, you can''t force friendship...i don''t like it when people do it to me, so i sure as heck won''t do it to someone else. and hahaha your last comment made me laugh so hard! thanks for the perspective!

Italia - Thanks for the advice and sympathy! I think you''re absolutely right. I mean, my class alone is only 200 people. We''re in the same building, day in and day out (at least during 1L) and friendships form sometimes out of real sincerity, and sometimes just out of common experience. Now that the mutual stress of 1L is over, I think that common experience has diminished a lot...and we are finding out who we will be friends with in the future. I mean, it''s telling that BF and I sat down to talk about who, right now, we''d invite to our wedding. Even though at least half of our friends are going to NY after graduation as well, it''s very telling that of those friends, we considered one we would invite in a few years to our wedding...and even that was dependent on whether we stay in touch following graduation. Compare that to the fact that a lot of our friends we WILL be inviting are close friends from high school and college...and while I haven''t been out for that long, he has so we are getting a sense of who are our long-term, will be there forever friends. And it hurts when someone you expect to make that list doesn''t...but that''s part of life, and a good thing to know and learn.

Littlelysser - seriously??? Some people are crazy with what they''ll get hung up over. And the fact that she still dislikes you?? That''s insane - but you got through it, and I"m so glad you shared your experiences. I bet that''s a cause for laughing now, right? And i know that a few months from now, I''ll just be a little incredulous that it happened, but will probably be able to laugh at the ridiculousness of this whole situation. Thanks!
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Elmorton - Exactly! I mean, law school can be traumatic
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and we''re shaped by our mutual experiences. And when someone is no longer a part of that experience..there can be a parting of the ways. Sigh. Too bad it happened so soon! But seriously, if I''m being excluded because I don''t find law school that stressful anymore (and I have a good balance of classes, a job, etc.) then it''s not my problem. I''d rather lead a happier, more balanced life...with none of this drama, and more time for looking at pretty sparklies
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Addy - haha thank you for making me laugh! Yes, 10 months is an awfully short time for someone to move on - how generous, right?

Novemberbride - I can''t believe they didn''t speak to you because of grades!! I don''t share grades with anyone except my BF (and we support each other) and said friend B, and even when one of us gets a better grade than the other, it''s never mattered to us. But kudos to you for getting better grades!
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I can see the burning out part - it feels like since we no longer have every class together (most of our group were in the two sections that had all the same classes, including myself - K was actually in only two classes with me last year, which made her friendship more valuable because we could be friends without that common class bond) we really don''t have much to talk about.

MissKitty - thanks for the sympathy! Yeah, I just didn''t expect that of her- she''s always struck me as being rather mature...of course, now that I think about it a few things stick out. Like the time another girl (not a close friend) accidentally knocked an (empty) coffee cup of the girl sitting next to K and K and freaked out about her computer getting wet (it was empty!). K subsequently (for the entire rest of the year) called the girl who had knocked over the cup "Shiva the Destroyer" (not to her face of course).

Cellentani - thanks dear! There might be some jealousy element, but if there is, it''s based on really small things - the thing I can most point to is that over 1L summer, K and T made no money. K had the judicial externship, T had a local judicial externship + he was an RA. BF and I both had well-paying jobs - me in Tokyo, him in NY. Add to the fact that both of us are half Asian/half white couples (the only two in our group of friends), that we have similar experiences and qualifications so we have competed for the same jobs, etc. But it seems like that''s such a ridiculous thing to be competitive or jealous over - it''s a part of being in law school. It seems a bit overblown to me. And I like you too - even though I can tell that soon, you''ll be way ahead of ME in jewelry! (you''d be surprised at how much you can buy, set, accumulate, in a very short amount of time!).
 
Date: 1/27/2009 10:24:27 PM
Author:Brown.Eyed.Girl
Sorry this is going to be long. Note: I AM looking more for sympathy and wise advice given in a considerate manner. Please don''t be too brutal with the honesty. Thanks.

Ugh. I just found out some things about some law school friends that''s really really ticking me off. I just found out that this friend, who we''ll call K, that I was really close with last year, has been mad at me for the last 10 months. Long story short, we were close up until second quarter of last year, and then spring quarter I felt her kind of pulling away. I attributed it to the fact that spring q is the hardest, busiest and most stressful quarter of the first year. And this past summer, I was out of the country and she was busy working for a judge, so it wasn''t unusual that we didn''t talk (I really was in close contact with my BF and my family because of time difference and so much going on at work). Well we got back to school this year, and she''s been totally cold-shouldering me. Won''t say hi or acknowledge me in the hallways (same with BF), won''t invite us to any group gatherings (and we''re in the same large group of friends), etc.

Well tonight I was talking to another friend (B) and the subject came up, and B told me that K had always been mad at me for offering B my apartment at a lower price than hers last April. If I remember right, she had offered hers to him (she was in a 2BR with her BF and she would be out of state the summer but her BF wouldn''t, so B would have the 2nd bedroom) and I had said (once) to B that he should sublet from me (mostly jokingly because I knew he had already agreed to hers). My apt was in the same building as hers and is a 1BR and I said I would offer it to him at a really low price bc i basically just wanted it off my hands.

B told me tonight that she''s been mad at me since, and THAT''s why she was cold-shouldering me all this time. ALL THIS TIME!!!! And she hasn''t said a word to me. I''ve been going around this entire time wondering what was going on because I didn''t recall ever doing anything mean to her, saying anything mean to her, doing anything to make her angry, etc.

Now I''m really pissed off that 1) she''s been angry at me over this for 10 freakin'' months - come on! Let''s go to grown-up land here!; and 2) that she hasn''t said anything to me. I mean, if she had, I would have apologized for making her feel whatever the way she felt and we could have resolved this. Instead, she held onto this issue for nearly a year. B says K is ''starting to get over it.'' I didn''t say this to him because although I love B he''s a huge gossip (although I ranted to my poor sleepy BF later) but at this point, I don''t care if she''s getting over it. If she wants to ignore me because of something like this, fine, I don''t want a friend like that who can act so petty.

And on a side note, a lot of my law school friends have been really high-maintenance with our friendship...last quarter and this quarter, I have mostly seminars so I don''t go to school when I don''t have class - I just don''t like hanging out there, studying there, etc. So every time they see me, it''s like ''oh you still go here?'' At first, it was just teasing, but now when they say it there''s definitely an edge to it.. plus another friend, who is VERY high-maintenance - every time I say anything to him, his response is ''well it''s your fault, you''re never here.'' How do I respond to that? Plus BF and I are apparently no longer being invited to parties or what not, like our other friend D''s party this past weekend (casual thing). I know I wouldn''t have been able to go anyway - her cat induces serious allergic reactions in me that take hours for me to get over, but still. Half of my friends here are really great and don''t try to force our friendship and i love and respect them for that. The other half are making me want to actively ignore them instead of just not being around because they''re driving me crazy.

I hate it when people try to force friendship...my high school and college best friends are awesome in that regard. We care for each other and we''re always there for each other, but we get that we all have different busy lives...we''re not going to get mad if we have stuff going on because we know it doesn''t jeopardize our friendship. URGH.

Sorry for how long this is, but I''m so annoyed. I''ve not played a perfect part in all this by any means, but I''m just feeling a little ganged up on and feeling frustrated with this whole situation.

Okay, so let me get this straight:

1) You were out of the country while she was working for a judge. Then she cold-shoulders you when you get back.

Translation: She''s jealous that you get to do something exciting while she''s stuck working. Obviously, she doesn''t want to hear about your trip, so she avoids you.

2) She''s mad at you because you offered your friend B a lower price for your apartment. But she already had an agreement with him.

Translation: She thinks you''re trying to sabotage her little deal with B (even if it was a joke). Choosing your apartment is like choosing you over her. That makes her jealousy worse.

3) Your other friends are also starting to exclude you or withdraw from you.

Translation: Either she''s bad-mouthing you until you''re out of the circle (if they choose her side, she wins) or your "jokes" are becoming insensitive and not-so-funny.

Here''s my take. There''s obviously some jealousy from K''s part. She''s not your friend, she''s a frenemy. Nothing would make her happier than to see you fail...at anything. You refer to your law school friends as "high maintenance" a lot. Well, law school is a different ballgame than high school or university. The people that you''re smoozhing with now can be the very same people that you''ll be competing with in the future. They sound more like "associates" to me. True friends do not act jealous, bitter, petty or catty. "Frenemies" and "associates" do. They act like your friend until you are no longer of use to them.....or until you become a threat.

My husband and I are at a point in our lives where we only associate with people that enhance our lives, not complicate it. We find ourselves very impatient with people that have nothing productive to offer.

Hang in there, BEG!
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So B never even took you up on your offer...and she is still mad about it? I would try my best not to worry about this if I were you...it really does not sound to me like you did anything wrong!
 
Date: 1/28/2009 8:04:36 PM
Author: platinumrock


Okay, so let me get this straight:


1) You were out of the country while she was working for a judge. Then she cold-shoulders you when you get back.


Translation: She''s jealous that you get to do something exciting while she''s stuck working. Obviously, she doesn''t want to hear about your trip, so she avoids you.


2) She''s mad at you because you offered your friend B a lower price for your apartment. But she already had an agreement with him.


Translation: She thinks you''re trying to sabotage her little deal with B (even if it was a joke). Choosing your apartment is like choosing you over her. That makes her jealousy worse.


3) Your other friends are also starting to exclude you or withdraw from you.


Translation: Either she''s bad-mouthing you until you''re out of the circle (if they choose her side, she wins) or your ''jokes'' are becoming insensitive and not-so-funny.


Here''s my take. There''s obviously some jealousy from K''s part. She''s not your friend, she''s a frenemy. Nothing would make her happier than to see you fail...at anything. You refer to your law school friends as ''high maintenance'' a lot. Well, law school is a different ballgame than high school or university. The people that you''re smoozhing with now can be the very same people that you''ll be competing with in the future. They sound more like ''associates'' to me. True friends do not act jealous, bitter, petty or catty. ''Frenemies'' and ''associates'' do. They act like your friend until you are no longer of use to them.....or until you become a threat.


My husband and I are at a point in our lives where we only associate with people that enhance our lives, not complicate it. We find ourselves very impatient with people that have nothing productive to offer.


Hang in there, BEG!
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Thanks Platinum! I''m really really glad that I''ve gotten the benefit of you and the other PSers'' perspectives.

I think part of the issue was the summer job. Unfortunately, law school (including and maybe because of its small size, especially mine) is a competitive jungle. And you can''t help but be competing against your friends for the same job(s). I don''t think it was ever an openly sore point, but my job last summer was really coveted because they only hire 6 summers total (one from my school), and it''s a fantastic experience (that you get paid for). I really tried not to play it up - in fact, I beat out my own BF for it (we were in the final two for consideration), and he didn''t get a job for another very stressed out month. So I really tried not to mention it, rub it in, etc. (I was really sensitive to this because our friend L beat out my BF for another job he really wanted - one which I had also interviewed for but I withdrew before a decision had been made - and she went ON AND ON about how she just couldn''t decide between that offer or ANOTHER offer (when BF didn''t have any offers at that point and she knew it) and it was just SO HARD...(because it''s SO hard to decide between two high-paying jobs when you''re fortunate enough to just HAVE a job as a 1L, much less a paying one). So anyway, sorry for the digression, but I tried - and unfortunately, within a week everyone knew I had gotten my job (if you tell one friend....). So yeah. Plus, there was an additional factor that at the end of the summer my BF and I were pretty well off in the $ situation and K and T (her BF) were really not (again, however, they decided to move out of our cheap neighborhood into a MUCH more expensive neighborhood....).

As for your second point, I can see why she would be mad if really thought I was trying to sabotage her, but I guess I''m surprised that she really thought I was trying to sabotage her! Maybe she viewed me as a frenemy all this time?? I don''t know. I''m sorry she thought that if she did - I wish that hadn''t been the situation. Unfortunately, bygones.

And for the third, I think that actually is my fault. I mean, yes they are high-maintenance, but in the end, I also made a decision too - that I wasn''t going to invest the time they wanted to maintain that friendship. So looking at it from both sides, I see why they''re unhappy with me/being exclusive. Not that I like it any more but I understand it I guess. I don''t know if she''s been bad-mouthing me. I''d like to think she wasn''t - B, our friend, just happens to be one of those people that everyone turns to (even if we know he''s a gossip) because he''s a really nice, easy-going, non-judgmental guy. Heck, he''s the only one other than my BF that I will talk grades about. So the fact that I heard this from him might not be because she was talking about me to all our friends - she may have just confided in him. If she is bad-mouthing me and the others choose to believe, well...I''m not getting into this PR war. If they can so easily believe that about it, I''d rather cut my ties now. But I don''t think that''s the case. I hope I''m not being naive!

And I think you''re definitely right about the associates/friends/frenemies thing. As much as we like to believe we''re in this self-contained world, our self-contained world is SO dictated by the world we''re entering soon as (very competitive, especially now) associates. And BF and I handle this by completely supporting each other, in interviews, school, jobs, everything. But that implies a much different level of trust than you get with a friend you met solely through the context of law school, right? And even I have that competitive drive - I wouldn''t be here otherwise. If it''s true that many firms will be seriously limiting the % of post-graduation offers to this year''s summer 2L class (like giving offers to 50% instead of 90% as usual), and my firm was one of those (thankfully, I don''t think that''s likely but you never know), I would be fighting tooth and nail for my job security, even if it meant edging out a friend. In fact, that''s what happened last year! And I don''t regret that - my education is so expensive, and it''s my life, and just as they''re entitled to (honestly) fight for jobs, so am I.
 
Date: 1/28/2009 9:56:13 PM
Author: Diamond*Dana
So B never even took you up on your offer...and she is still mad about it? I would try my best not to worry about this if I were you...it really does not sound to me like you did anything wrong!


Thanks Diamond*Dana! And right. Well, the situation was B told me he was staying in Chicago and needed to sublet, I offered my place, he said he was subletting from K and T, and I said well I can give you a better deal - serious but jokingly too if that makes sense, since I figured he wasn''t going to budge since we were all friends - if he had taken me up on it great, but I wasn''t expecting him too and that was fine. He said he promised them, so I dropped it - never mentioned it again. I guess she thought I crossed the line by offering after hearing he was going to sublet from her. I didn''t think I crossed the line. I keep trying to rationalize this - maybe she''s still mad at me because I should have apologized and never did?? I mean, at this point, to heck with all that anyway - if she wanted an apology, she should have found me and let me know - I''m not a mind reader

Anyway, we saw each other today. She didn''t say a word to me. I''m not going to force the issue. It''s fine and it''s over with, but I''m glad I know.

And I really appreciate you ladies coming here and taking the time to respond to this. My post started off with me wanting to get this off my chest because I was so frustrated. I''ve really started thinking things over though, and between your advice and perspective and just having the time to think it through, it''s really just helped me in figuring out why things were happening here, etc. Thank you!!!
 
Date: 1/28/2009 12:25:48 PM
Author: NovemberBride


Date: 1/28/2009 10:12:37 AM
Author: littlelysser



Date: 1/27/2009 11:02:21 PM
Author: ChinaCat
BEG- Aw, that sucks. No real advice- unless you want to say something to K and clear the air?


Just wanted to say I''ve been there- law school is ridiculously gossipy and high school-ish. Don''t know why, but I was amazed at the cattiness that went on among otherwise mature and intelligent people. Something about the pressure, I guess. At least it''s only a few years long! I am a few years out of law school, and I am still close to a select few, but have lost touch with the others (for good reason).


Hang in there!

Yup. I DITTO 10000000%!!! I made some of my best friends in law school, and also met some TOTAL loons!! I had one girl that was my CLOSEST friend my first year. We were together constantly. Long story short, she decided that because I decided to summer for a large firm (which she also applied to, but did not get an interview), I was a bad person and she effectively ended the friendship. The woman hates me to this day. Totally nuts.
Double Ditto. Brown-Eyed.Girl, I am sorry you are having a hard time with your friend. There is something about law school that makes people act just like they are in high school. One of my law school roommates literally did not speak to me for a month after she found out through another friend that I got better grades than she did. It was ridiculous, yet characteristic of her personality, and we no longer speak. I also have a few very close friends from law school (I graduated 5 years ago), but don''t really talk to the larger group that I was friends with anymore. In fact, by our 3L year, most of us weren''t hanging out as much. Maybe it was too much time spent together the first two years, but I just burnt out on a lot of thse friendships. I think it''s pretty funny that as far as I know, ChinaCat, littlelysser, Brown.Eyed.Girl and I all went to different law schools, and had this same experience.

Triple Ditto.

BEG, just hang in there....Our profession has some real crazies! I can''t believe she''s mad at you when B actually subletted her apartment!!
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I had almost the same situation happen to me except I still have NO idea why this girl that I was practically attached to the hip with 1L year stopped talking to me....Law school is such a transformative experience and some people just take it differently than others. I met my FH and two of my best friends in the world 1L year but also some of my shall we say least favorite people.
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Anyway, just know that she''s completely overreacting. If you want to stay friends with the larger group, I would just reach out and invite a couple people out to lunch every once in a while. Then they''ll remember how awesome you are and see how petty she''s being!
 
Date: 1/29/2009 10:51:21 AM
Author: lucyandroger
Date: 1/28/2009 12:25:48 PM

Author: NovemberBride



Date: 1/28/2009 10:12:37 AM

Author: littlelysser




Date: 1/27/2009 11:02:21 PM

Author: ChinaCat

BEG- Aw, that sucks. No real advice- unless you want to say something to K and clear the air?



Just wanted to say I''ve been there- law school is ridiculously gossipy and high school-ish. Don''t know why, but I was amazed at the cattiness that went on among otherwise mature and intelligent people. Something about the pressure, I guess. At least it''s only a few years long! I am a few years out of law school, and I am still close to a select few, but have lost touch with the others (for good reason).



Hang in there!


Yup. I DITTO 10000000%!!! I made some of my best friends in law school, and also met some TOTAL loons!! I had one girl that was my CLOSEST friend my first year. We were together constantly. Long story short, she decided that because I decided to summer for a large firm (which she also applied to, but did not get an interview), I was a bad person and she effectively ended the friendship. The woman hates me to this day. Totally nuts.
Double Ditto. Brown-Eyed.Girl, I am sorry you are having a hard time with your friend. There is something about law school that makes people act just like they are in high school. One of my law school roommates literally did not speak to me for a month after she found out through another friend that I got better grades than she did. It was ridiculous, yet characteristic of her personality, and we no longer speak. I also have a few very close friends from law school (I graduated 5 years ago), but don''t really talk to the larger group that I was friends with anymore. In fact, by our 3L year, most of us weren''t hanging out as much. Maybe it was too much time spent together the first two years, but I just burnt out on a lot of thse friendships. I think it''s pretty funny that as far as I know, ChinaCat, littlelysser, Brown.Eyed.Girl and I all went to different law schools, and had this same experience.


Triple Ditto.


BEG, just hang in there....Our profession has some real crazies! I can''t believe she''s mad at you when B actually subletted her apartment!!
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I had almost the same situation happen to me except I still have NO idea why this girl that I was practically attached to the hip with 1L year stopped talking to me....Law school is such a transformative experience and some people just take it differently than others. I met my FH and two of my best friends in the world 1L year but also some of my shall we say least favorite people.
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Anyway, just know that she''s completely overreacting. If you want to stay friends with the larger group, I would just reach out and invite a couple people out to lunch every once in a while. Then they''ll remember how awesome you are and see how petty she''s being!

Thanks Lucy for the kind words! Well, there are definitely some neurotic people in law (and I have my own fair share of neuroticism too!
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) so it''s much better to learn about people, and who will be true friends, early on. I''m sorry to hear you had a similar experience too! Law school is such a weird pressure-cooker constrained little world - it can make for amusing incidents but it can also make for situations like this, and what happened with your friend. But we move on!
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