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Tsavorite Engagement Ring - Help Please!

tsavoEringClueless

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I am trying to procure a tsavorite engagement ring but have been running into problems.

Some background first: my girlfriend has been quite vocal about wanting a colored stone and loves green. I've narrowed down the primary stone to tsavorite as it seems like a great combination of color, price, and is very sparkly. Shape is fairly unimportant but based on her pinterest account she likes circular, oval, and cushion cuts the best. As for the setting, again based on her pinterest, she likes halo settings with diamond pave and milgrain in white gold that look sort of vintage.

I should also say that I am trying to keep my budget for this ring under $5K - based on what I've seen so far I am hoping to get a very clean, nice colored tsavorite between 1.5-2ct.

I went to a custom jewelry store recently and talked with a gemologist about what I was looking for. They did not have any tsavorites that fit what I was looking for but contacted their dealer and were able to locate 2 stones for me to come see a few days later. Both were ovals, the color on one was a little too light for what I wanted and the other, while nicely colored, had a fairly large feather inclusion that was visible to the naked eye. This stone was 1.79ct and price was $2700. After pricing out the setting (as described above) the total price was right under $5K. I really liked the ring, but was concerned about the inclusion in the stone. When I asked about setting a stone I purchased personally, they jeweler said that they would do it but the setting would cost 50% more because they can't compete with online prices, which seems fair and understandable to me, but not necessarily what I want to do.

My main concern though, is getting a really nice tsavorite center stone and it seems like I'll have to look online. I have found paraiba, gemfix, and primagems through the forums here and all have some really clean, beautifully colored tsavorites for $2-3K.

After finding a stone though, how do I go about finding the setting? Can I even get a setting for $2K or so? Has anyone purchased settings separately online? Will the gem dealers set the stones if you send them the setting? Has anyone worked with Etsy jewelers who could create a custom ring if I sent them a tsavorite I purchased online?

Also, am I missing any online retailers? Any suggestions for gems that look really nice in my budget?

I apologize for the very lengthy post but thanks for taking the time to read - any help is much appreciated!
 
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What style of setting are you thinking? And what metal? Please post pictures if you have any you like.
 

tsavoEringClueless

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I think prong setting? She is a teacher though and I think she would want something that isn't very protruding and prone to getting caught on clothes, etc. Probably 14k white gold for durability.

These aren't tsavorites but something similar to this style of setting:
oval-cut-topaz-diamond-pave-milgrain-engagement-ring-1.jpg
cushion-cut-peridot-diamond-pave-halo-milgrain-engagement-ring-1-510x643.jpg
 

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david Klass will set outside stones and is quite reasonably priced. In terms of a stone, I would check with Gene Flanigan, Roger Dery, and Lisa Elser. There were a couple of nice tsavorites on Loupetroop as well.
 
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There are jewelers who can and will work with an outside stone, such as what you'd have. David Klass is probably one person I'd contact (once you have your stone) as he's competitively priced and does quality work. Let him know your budget and I'm sure you'll be pleased. I'd also send him the two pictures you posted since they're pretty similar in style - that way he can get you a close estimate.
 
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tsavoEringClueless

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Thanks for the advice, that stone has a great color! Her finger size is a 5.5 I believe - might be slightly smaller but I'm not sure (trying to do this whole thing as furtively as possible). Does David Klass have a website? I only found a facebook page for him.
 
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That's a pretty slender finger. :) Just something to keep in mind, unless she's all about the larger rings.

You know, I don't know. :lol: I don't have FB, so I've always just emailed him. I'm currently working with him on my second project (he made the ring in my avatar), and this is his email: [email protected].
 

Gemajames

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Michael at Gemline is another option. I have one from him and one from Roger Dery and both were wonderful. I would highly recommend David Klass to create a cutom mounting. He set mine from Michael.

There's also a very lovely one currently listed on LT that may interest you.
 

Coralfish

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Hi Tsavo

I have to mention Bruce Bridges, whose father 'discovered' Tsavorite. He lives at the source I believe, and you can email him to ask for exactly what you want as Tsavorites actually come with a subtle variation in modifying colours, in a range of saturations and tones.
I haven't dealt with him personally but have read good reports. He attends some gem shows.

http://www.tsavorite.com/contact/

I think Swala Gems also can have nice tsavorites, I believe Chrono's is from them.
Also all the above vendors mentioned by other PSers are highly recommended.

So you have a lot of good options there.

Regarding your setting, you again have a range of options, from the low

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-DIAMOND-BEZEL-9x7-2ct-OVAL-SEMI-MOUNT-ENGAGEMENT-RING-SETTING-HALO-14K-/400964700144?hash=item5d5b5bc7f0

(these people can make a variety of settings in a variety of sizes and people have generally been pleased. You can upgrade the diamond quality. It is a cast setting and may not feel as bespoke or high quality as a higher end one but it is a good solid setting and there is nothing wrong with it.)

to the high

https://www.victorcanera.com/rings/engagement/the-anne-marie-split-shank-halo

and everything in between, including as mentioned above the well thought of David Klass.

It will depend on how much of your budget you want to spend on your Tsavorite.
 

Coralfish

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Also three Hall of Fame PS rings come to mind when you think of Tsavorites.

1. Pokey's, by Leon Mege, tsav sourced by Leon

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/leon-mege-daniel-k-tsavorite-pictures-inside.46511/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/leon-mege-daniel-k-tsavorite-pictures-inside.46511/[/URL]

2. Pandora's, Tsavorite from Pala Gems via Wink at High Performance Diamonds, Setting by Wink's bench at High Performance Diamonds

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/finally-my-tsavorite-e-ring.75458/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/finally-my-tsavorite-e-ring.75458/[/URL]

Pandora also designed a tsav halo for a friend of hers, pictured part way down this thread (along with Yingh's tsavorite halo)

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/please-help-me-design-a-perfect-tsavorite-e-ring.172601/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/please-help-me-design-a-perfect-tsavorite-e-ring.172601/[/URL]

3. Yingh (tsav by Gene at precisiongem, halo by Whiteflash)

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/finally-my-tsavorite-ring.145921/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/finally-my-tsavorite-ring.145921/[/URL]

You can also observe these three tsavs are subtly different in colour. Which colour do you like best?

This thread is also incredibly helpful for evaluating which sort of colour you like:

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/looking-for-a-tsavorite-on-a-budget.177922/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/looking-for-a-tsavorite-on-a-budget.177922/[/URL]

Finally I just remembered Yvonne Raley on Etsy who has a source of tsavorites, she also works with Prima sometimes I think.
 

tsavoEringClueless

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Wow, thank you all for so much advice, I'm blown away. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little overwhelmed still but I think I have a great place to start. It sounds like I should narrow down to 2 or 3 gems in my budget and try to compare in person (assuming I can return them).

As far as color I'm looking for a bright, kelly green as opposed to some of the darker greens because I've heard that stones will typically look even darker when set.
 

Coralfish

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Yes, it is a lot of information to take in!

I would suggest -

post a couple of pictures of the shade of green you like. It needn't be a gem, it can be a Pantone colourway or a leaf or even a sofa.

Then you, and we, can hunt for candidates.

The community can help you filter a shortlist for viewing,

Then you can call in some stones to view all at once.
(There's a possibility some vendors will mail to an appraiser so you needn't pay upfront... you would go to their office and view the mailed selection. I have no experience of this as I don't live in the USA. I guess it would depend on your city. I'm not sure whether it just applies to diamonds... Palagems will mail to your local jeweller on a 10 day memo. Other PSers will be much more knowledgable about this.)

One minor thing is that sometimes a juicy find may be snatched by a lurking tsavorite buyer on your thread. I mean the odds are not that high as tsav has quite a narrow market but it's a possibility. So sometimes people reserve stones before posting them here for advice/approval. Again I wouldn't worry too much about doing this, I personally wouldn't bother unless there is one you have really set your heart on, but just to keep in mind. Normally you can just email the vendor to put a hold on it for 24 hours.

You'll also get a feel for the shapes you like, as you hunt. And how much budget is going on the tsav. Then, the setting can start to be thought about in more detail.

Just to add - Kelly green makes me think of this.
http://www.precisiongem.com/rapidcartproPG/index.php?product/page/104/gem-1672--tsavorite-garnet

It's sold, and smaller than you want, but maybe contact him to see if he has more rough to cut you a gem.
He also supplied the tsav for Yingh in ring 3 posted above.
 

tsavoEringClueless

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I took a shot at color on a green pantone chart. This probably doesn't narrow it down enough, but my favorites are 347 and 355. None of these really have much of a hint of blue but I would gravitate towards a blue tinge over yellow. I will try to see if I can find some other examples of actual stones.

green_pantone.png
 

katharath

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Sungura - I've discussed that one with Yvonne and she says it's really nice...I like that one personally. It's not the darker chrome looking tsav material but I think it can be equally pretty.
 

Coralfish

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From what you say about your colour pref I think gemfix as you mentioned has some close candidates

http://www.gemfix.com/garnet_tsavorite.html

in the first column, the third and fourth down are nice. Third - I adore the colour and the cut is very good. Fourth - lovely cutting. This is an antique cushion style cut with larger facets that will have slower on-off, but larger, scintillation events. I think he is a little on the expensive side - people will say 'compared to what' and you are paying for his expertise and cutting, so perhaps it all balances out.

I would email Bruce Bridges, send bruce pictures of the colour you like and any gems you've seen that match what's in your mind's eye and he will come back to you with a few options. It might be worth emailing Swala too, their website is a little bare.

The other people to possibly email are Wilds Global Minerals. They are again rather pricey but they really have access to the top stuff.
This is just a sample, prob now all sold but they have access as I say to much more:

http://wildsglobalminerals.com/ever-green-tsavorite-garnets/

Not sure if too dark, but these from Pala v nice. Also probably a little pricey. If buying from Pala go through Rick at artcutgems, or a local jeweller (or even the people you choose to make the ring for you) can call them in for you on memo so *I think* you needn't pay till you see them... But markups vary so be aware... Pala also have lots of inventory not on their website but they won't deal directly with the public.

Yummy:

http://www.palagems.com/php/db_search.php?action=gemdetail&inventory_number=15205

Stunning, but big, probably pricey and maybe a little dark for you:

http://www.palagems.com/php/db_search.php?action=gemdetail&inventory_number=20998

Do you like this? It is rather yellowish in tone. It has a different look:

http://www.palagems.com/php/db_search.php?action=gemdetail&inventory_number=6872


Going back to your first post, there is no reason to tolerate an eye visible inclusion with your budget. You should be able to get a perfect example of exactly what you want.
 

Coralfish

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How could I forget...

https://leonmege.com/index.php/portfolio/shop-now/five-stone-green-tsavorite-diamond-ring-detail

He has taken offers of 60% recently so... but NO RETURNS.

Here is a halo he's made previously, it will be much more expensive to custom order:

https://leonmege.com/index.php/portfolio/custom-work/view-all/micro-pave-diamonds-tsavorite-detail

You have to go in with your eyes wide open with him... there are a lot of reports on people's experiences with working with him, some love him, some would not want to repeat the experience in a million years - search for reviews if you are interested.
 

Niel

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Coralfish|1438031013|3908077 said:
How could I forget...

https://leonmege.com/index.php/portfolio/shop-now/five-stone-green-tsavorite-diamond-ring-detail

He has taken offers of 60% recently so... but NO RETURNS.

Here is a halo he's made previously, it will be much more expensive to custom order:

https://leonmege.com/index.php/portfolio/custom-work/view-all/micro-pave-diamonds-tsavorite-detail

You have to go in with your eyes wide open with him... there are a lot of reports on people's experiences with working with him, some love him, some would not want to repeat the experience in a million years - search for reviews if you are interested.


God I looove that Leon mege
 

Coralfish

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Yikes, I only just saw your bit about preferring a blue undertone. Apologies for the yellowish suggestion above.

I don't know that it's that easy to find a mid-green with a bluish undertone. I've seen it in the darker stones.

IIRC the bluish modifiers are seen in stones from a very specific region.
It is called Kuranze. (I am not sure if this is hyperbole... you never know in the gem world...)

By the way, tsavorites can definitely be oversaturated and too dark as Minous says. In that scenario, they fail to read even as green at all in many lights. They become a sort of sodden murky black with green edges and only come alive under direct spotlight.

Just remembered Africagems. They are a little on the pricey side and I can't read the yellow/blue in the images very well, but a number of PSers have bought from them and are pleased.

http://www.africagems.com/tsavorite1to2carat.html


Anyhow, ideally if you can compile some sort of digital swatch book of colours/inspiration gems and then email a couple of vendors with those images, they ought to be able to hone in on what you are after rather quickly.
 

tsavoEringClueless

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minousbijoux|1438055762|3908200 said:
MJO|1438039357|3908119 said:

Too dark imo, and definitely much darker than the OP has indicated he seeks.

I loved the shape of this stone a lot but was worried it might be a little dark also. It looks like it has a lot of extinction(?) due to either the cut, the color, or lighting / photography.

In general for color I ideally just want it to look vibrant green in all light, it seems like some of the yellowish tsavorites are lighter and less saturated so I want to stay away from that, but a highly saturated green with yellowish tinge is just fine (like the grassy color below)
download_14.jpg

As for bluish stones - it seems like those tsavorites tend to be highly saturated (which I like) but some are probably too dark for my liking.

I have contacted Bruce - waiting to hear back from him and can share pictures for your opinions if he sends any.

I have also been in contact with Prima regarding this cushion cut I liked a lot: https://primagemsusa.com/content/172-carats-natural-tsavorite and they sent another photo:

tsavorite10x.jpg

I also like this oval cut Prima has: https://primagemsusa.com/content/190-cts-natural-tsavorite although it may be a little too dark? (I am trying to get more pictures)
 

tsavoEringClueless

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On the gemfix page: http://www.gemfix.com/garnet_tsavorite.html
I actually prefer column 1 - row 2, slightly over c1-r3 and c1-r4. The comment on that stone says it is similar to Pantone 354c.

I apologize that my yellow vs blue comments were misleading :liar: ...I do want a bright green stone and slightly yellowish lighter greens are great as long as they're highly saturated. Hope this helps - I'm still working through what exactly I'm looking for as well.
 

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tsavo: it seems you already have a good eye and do have a good idea of what you want - we are all here to help you, not to sway you to get what we like, so its nice that you have such a good idea of what you like. A few thoughts for you.

You are wise to choose that GF stone. I agree it looks to be the closest to what you seek. GF stones are great and its a good place to start because in a time of seemingly dwindling inventory (stock/rough production down, prices up), they still have a fair number. I might also consider the one in first column, 5th row down.

You will save yourself money if you do not cultivate a desire for a blue modifier; your descriptions and your photos indicate you are looking for a straight green devoid of either an overt yellow or blue modifier. Keep it this way and you will save yourself some money. Those with a blue modifier are definitely higher priced as they are considered trade ideal - and yes, they come in the medium tone you seek. I have one that I keep meaning to put up for sale that is exactly that - medium tone with blue modifier. [Disclosure to mods: I know it is not what OP seeks as mine is too big and not the shape he wants, otherwise, I never would've said anything]

I don't know that you have said where you live, but you may want to see if Intergem has a show any where near you. If so, it is a great venue for seeing multiple stones in hand at once. I live on the West Coast and vendors with tsavs here are Vance Gems, New Era Gems, B and B gems, and Sarosi jewelers (although now deceased, he was the father of Marc Sarosi of Africa gems and has stones from his son in the inventory). If you are not near a show, then I would urge you to order more than one stone at a time so that you can compare them to one another.

I am not a bling person so take this next bit of advice with a grain of salt. I would definitely look for vivid color over size if you are going to halo the stone. Even a smallish stone will appear bigger when halo'd. Keep this in mind, particularly if she does not go for large bling.

Occasionally, stones are sold by PS members on Loupetroop and Diamond Bistro. I have seen a few tsavs and I believe there is one that I have been coveting - I'll see if its still there and I can recommend it in a minute. By and large, these stones are much cheaper than others you might see being sold from vendors, and if the photos and descriptions are accurate, it is by far the most cost effective way to acquire a stone. But the downside is that sometimes sellers only show the stones at their best and almost all of the stones have a final sale policy. The final sale is the tradeoff for significantly lower price paid, and, as I've said, well worth it in my opinion.

I hope it helps. My main message was really to tell you to trust your gut - you are doing fine!
 

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tsavoEringClueless|1438090074|3908268 said:
On the gemfix page: http://www.gemfix.com/garnet_tsavorite.html
I actually prefer column 1 - row 2, slightly over c1-r3 and c1-r4. The comment on that stone says it is similar to Pantone 354c.

I apologize that my yellow vs blue comments were misleading :liar: ...I do want a bright green stone and slightly yellowish lighter greens are great as long as they're highly saturated. Hope this helps - I'm still working through what exactly I'm looking for as well.

For some the modifier is a deal breaker but I think the stone you pointed out looks very promising. One I really like is Order/Stock No.: tsavorite_258 and its mainly because of the high, small crown that stone will never go dark and will sparkle like mad.

I think though that you need to see them in hand, carry them around in your environment to see how they work. Tsavs can be moody buggers.
 

Coralfish

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Minous is right, your instincts are very good. As you see more and more stones you will hone your tastes till you get what you like. I also think the gemfix stone you proposed is very nice. If you can I would see it with the one below it. Just because gems are weird things that behave unexpectedly in different lightings. But if you instinctively don't like it then of course there's no need to see it!

Insofar as a stranger on the internet looking at a picture from a retailer they've never bought from can say... I would prefer the Prima Gems tsav to be a little more saturated. Not tonally darker, but more saturated. Go down to 'The Elements of Quality' on this page

http://www.ruby-sapphire.com/r-s-bk-quality.htm

to see what I mean. Of course if you prefer the less saturated stone you must ignore me, but I want you to be aware what the lingo is for what you're seeing, so you can request exactly what you want.
 
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