stone_seeker
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The fact that he''s taking cues from Rove says it all, in my opinion. My mom (who is a die-hard Republican -- she''s even got a photo of herself with Bob Dole on her nightstand!) thinks he has sold out and lost his integrity -- he used to fight against the Bush influence, and now he''s using it to get elected. Mind you, she wouldn''t have supported him in 2000 because she thought he was too liberal (ha!), but now she''s completely turned off because she thinks he''s a power-hungry phony. He''s more of the same, except that he wasn''t always that way. I think some people are put off by that.Date: 9/15/2008 10:03:05 AM
Author: mimzy
it really makes no sense - mccain USED to be more of a centrist/maverick/whatever, but no one would debate that he''s gone further to the right in the past year. and seeing that his vp pick is even further to the right than bush is.....it isn''t exactly intuitive that people in the center who know anything about them would get on that bandwagon.
and yeah, ditto irishgirl - not this independent!
Date: 9/15/2008 10:29:20 AM
Author: Krissie
Date: 9/15/2008 10:03:05 AM
Author: mimzy
it really makes no sense - mccain USED to be more of a centrist/maverick/whatever, but no one would debate that he''s gone further to the right in the past year. and seeing that his vp pick is even further to the right than bush is.....it isn''t exactly intuitive that people in the center who know anything about them would get on that bandwagon.
and yeah, ditto irishgirl - not this independent!
The fact that he''s taking cues from Rove says it all, in my opinion. My mom (who is a die-hard Republican -- she''s even got a photo of herself with Bob Dole on her nightstand!) thinks he has sold out and lost his integrity -- he used to fight against the Bush influence, and now he''s using it to get elected. Mind you, she wouldn''t have supported him in 2000 because she thought he was too liberal (ha!), but now she''s completely turned off because she thinks he''s a power-hungry phony. He''s more of the same, except that he wasn''t always that way. I think some people are put off by that.
Date: 9/15/2008 10:47:24 AM
Author: stone_seeker
maybe he's pandering to his base to get elected and then he can be the maverick hes always wanted to be?
both sides tend to say and do the things they need to get the support of their base. the key is to see who has shown the more centrist policies in the past and in the debates. we will learn a lot of the next several weeks about who can move more towards the middle and appeal to true independents.
Date: 9/15/2008 11:18:11 AM
Author: MoonWater
mimzy, I feel the same way you do and his choice of Palin sealed the deal for me.
Yeah, VP picks are important...Obama's choice of Biden sealed the deal for me.Date: 9/15/2008 11:18:11 AM
Author: MoonWater
mimzy, I feel the same way you do and his choice of Palin sealed the deal for me.
Indy! So you''re "one of us"???Date: 9/15/2008 4:09:35 PM
Author: IndyGirl22
Yeah, VP picks are important...Obama''s choice of Biden sealed the deal for me.Date: 9/15/2008 11:18:11 AM
Author: MoonWater
mimzy, I feel the same way you do and his choice of Palin sealed the deal for me.
ETA: While being more to the center wouldn''t cause McCain supports to vote for Obama, it might cause them not to vote at all...in either case McCain loses. He has to do what he has to do to get elected & judging from the polls, he is.
LOL NO! I wouldn''t call myself an "Independent" but I am also not affiliated with either party, although my conservative views skew me to the right. Biden sealed my vote for McCain...I just can''t get over his racist comments directed at Indians and Obama...Date: 9/15/2008 4:33:13 PM
Author: Irishgrrrl
Indy! So you''re ''one of us''???Date: 9/15/2008 4:09:35 PM
Author: IndyGirl22
Yeah, VP picks are important...Obama''s choice of Biden sealed the deal for me.Date: 9/15/2008 11:18:11 AM
Author: MoonWater
mimzy, I feel the same way you do and his choice of Palin sealed the deal for me.
ETA: While being more to the center wouldn''t cause McCain supports to vote for Obama, it might cause them not to vote at all...in either case McCain loses. He has to do what he has to do to get elected & judging from the polls, he is.
LOL! No worries . . . I won''t flame ya! You''re completely entitled to vote for whomever you choose . . . I''ll just cancel out your McCain vote with my Obama vote! LOL!Date: 9/15/2008 9:44:23 PM
Author: IndyGirl22
LOL NO! I wouldn''t call myself an ''Independent'' but I am also not affiliated with either party, although my conservative views skew me to the right. Biden sealed my vote for McCain...I just can''t get over his racist comments directed at Indians and Obama...Date: 9/15/2008 4:33:13 PM
Author: Irishgrrrl
Indy! So you''re ''one of us''???Date: 9/15/2008 4:09:35 PM
Author: IndyGirl22
Yeah, VP picks are important...Obama''s choice of Biden sealed the deal for me.Date: 9/15/2008 11:18:11 AM
Author: MoonWater
mimzy, I feel the same way you do and his choice of Palin sealed the deal for me.
ETA: While being more to the center wouldn''t cause McCain supports to vote for Obama, it might cause them not to vote at all...in either case McCain loses. He has to do what he has to do to get elected & judging from the polls, he is.I lost all respect for him years ago. Don''t flame me!
May I ask why you feel the need to always refer to Senator Obama as Mr. Zero? Regardless of whether or not you like the man, which we all know you don''t, do you have to resort to referring to him with such disrespect?Date: 9/14/2008 7:21:14 PM
Author: HollyS
Mr. Zero had best be getting back to impressing folks with his fancy talkin'', and leave the flayling behind; I mean, at what point did he decide he was running against the other guy''s Veep?
I prefer to refer to him in any manner I see fit. Thank you. And he has not earned my respect.Date: 9/15/2008 11:09:33 PM
Author: miraclesrule
May I ask why you feel the need to always refer to Senator Obama as Mr. Zero? Regardless of whether or not you like the man, which we all know you don''t, do you have to resort to referring to him with such disrespect?Date: 9/14/2008 7:21:14 PM
Author: HollyS
Mr. Zero had best be getting back to impressing folks with his fancy talkin'', and leave the flayling behind; I mean, at what point did he decide he was running against the other guy''s Veep?
And to answer your question, my guess would be that Obama decided to turn his attention to the oppositions V.P. candidate because the rest of the voters decided that she was more important in winning the election than McCain. What would you expect him to do. What would you do?
Whew! I was worried!Date: 9/15/2008 11:03:49 PM
Author: Irishgrrrl
LOL! No worries . . . I won't flame ya! You're completely entitled to vote for whomever you choose . . . I'll just cancel out your McCain vote with my Obama vote! LOL!
McCain has lost a lot of respect from many as well, yet they don''t feel the need to start creating derogatory names for him. FWIW, I just think that it diminishes your credibility, even with those who might otherwise agree with your choice in candidates. It''s like Ann Coulter, most of her party actually think she has done more harm than good for their cause. What good does that do to the collective discussion? If you want to be heard and understand as I believe that you do, just like all of us do, such insults distract from otherwise fruitful discussions. Also, after a while, you will run the risk of sounding and behaving just like the Jack Nicholson character in "A Few Good Men".Date: 9/16/2008 12:12:12 AM
Author: HollyS
I prefer to refer to him in any manner I see fit. Thank you. And he has not earned my respect.Date: 9/15/2008 11:09:33 PM
Author: miraclesrule
May I ask why you feel the need to always refer to Senator Obama as Mr. Zero? Regardless of whether or not you like the man, which we all know you don''t, do you have to resort to referring to him with such disrespect?Date: 9/14/2008 7:21:14 PM
Author: HollyS
Mr. Zero had best be getting back to impressing folks with his fancy talkin'', and leave the flayling behind; I mean, at what point did he decide he was running against the other guy''s Veep?
And to answer your question, my guess would be that Obama decided to turn his attention to the oppositions V.P. candidate because the rest of the voters decided that she was more important in winning the election than McCain. What would you expect him to do. What would you do?
What should he be doing? Well, if he had anything positive to say, with adequately thought out ideas that might indeed bring ''change'' that was good for America, I would think he would be discussing that. And generally ignoring the other guy''s Veep. He''s not running as Biden''s No. 2 guy after all.
You can call McCain whatever name you would like. Meanwhile, stop telling others how to post.Date: 9/16/2008 12:30:50 AM
Author: miraclesrule
McCain has lost a lot of respect from many as well, yet they don''t feel the need to start creating derogatory names for him. FWIW, I just think that it diminishes your credibility, even with those who might otherwise agree with your choice in candidates. It''s like Ann Coulter, most of her party actually think she has done more harm than good for their cause. What good does that do to the collective discussion? If you want to be heard and understand as I believe that you do, just like all of us do, such insults distract from otherwise fruitful discussions. Also, after a while, you will run the risk of sounding and behaving just like the Jack Nicholson character in ''A Few Good Men''.Date: 9/16/2008 12:12:12 AM
Author: HollyS
I prefer to refer to him in any manner I see fit. Thank you. And he has not earned my respect.Date: 9/15/2008 11:09:33 PM
Author: miraclesrule
May I ask why you feel the need to always refer to Senator Obama as Mr. Zero? Regardless of whether or not you like the man, which we all know you don''t, do you have to resort to referring to him with such disrespect?Date: 9/14/2008 7:21:14 PM
Author: HollyS
Mr. Zero had best be getting back to impressing folks with his fancy talkin'', and leave the flayling behind; I mean, at what point did he decide he was running against the other guy''s Veep?
And to answer your question, my guess would be that Obama decided to turn his attention to the oppositions V.P. candidate because the rest of the voters decided that she was more important in winning the election than McCain. What would you expect him to do. What would you do?
What should he be doing? Well, if he had anything positive to say, with adequately thought out ideas that might indeed bring ''change'' that was good for America, I would think he would be discussing that. And generally ignoring the other guy''s Veep. He''s not running as Biden''s No. 2 guy after all.
Well, I was trying to be helpful.Date: 9/16/2008 12:43:40 AM
Author: Linda W
The last time you were nasty Holly, you had a whole thread deleted. Miracles was just being helpful.
Date: 9/16/2008 12:46:11 AM
Author: miraclesrule
Well, I was trying to be helpful.Date: 9/16/2008 12:43:40 AM
Author: Linda W
The last time you were nasty Holly, you had a whole thread deleted. Miracles was just being helpful.
Calling Obama Mr Zero hardly qualifies as being nasty. Unless he''s a member of PS. Then maybe.Date: 9/16/2008 12:43:40 AM
Author: Linda W
The last time you were nasty Holly, you had a whole thread deleted. Miracles was just being helpful.
I'm curious, for the sake of discussion. Do you know this, or do you think this? And let's for a moment suppose, because it doesn't matter anyway ( it really doesn't). But I am curious...if you were provided evidence to the contrary, would you have the capacity to admit it, not necessarily to anyone else, but to yourself?Date: 9/16/2008 1:01:33 AM
Author: HollyS
Calling Obama Mr Zero hardly qualifies as being nasty. Unless he's a member of PS. Then maybe.Date: 9/16/2008 12:43:40 AM
Author: Linda W
The last time you were nasty Holly, you had a whole thread deleted. Miracles was just being helpful.
And le't be clear: threads have been cancelled because a lot of people could not be adults and discuss without personally attacking each other. They weren't cancelled because of any one person; not even me.
I''m pretty sure the last thread was cancelled because it was 90% about the Islamic faith and Muslims...100% against PS rules.Date: 9/16/2008 1:17:46 AM
Author: miraclesrule
I''m curious, for the sake of discussion. Do you know this, or do you think this? And let''s for a moment suppose, because it doesn''t matter anyway ( it really doesn''t). But I am curious...if you were provided evidence to the contrary, would you have the capacity to admit it, not necessarily to anyone else, but to yourself?Date: 9/16/2008 1:01:33 AM
Author: HollyS
Calling Obama Mr Zero hardly qualifies as being nasty. Unless he''s a member of PS. Then maybe.Date: 9/16/2008 12:43:40 AM
Author: Linda W
The last time you were nasty Holly, you had a whole thread deleted. Miracles was just being helpful.
And le''t be clear: threads have been cancelled because a lot of people could not be adults and discuss without personally attacking each other. They weren''t cancelled because of any one person; not even me.
The fact that''s it''s even close shows the bounce is still in effect. McCain was WAY behind Obama going into the Conventions but they are neck and neck now by most accounts. link Whether or not voters like Palin, it brought all the attention back to the GOP, which is always good for any candidate. McCain''s supporters have had to come out and defend him and Palin, bringing new life to the campaign.Date: 9/16/2008 10:10:27 AM
Author: part gypsy
Personally HollyS I think you are a great representative for McCain.
BTW the McCain (Palin) bounce has disappeared.
I actually don't disagree about the preference for referring to candidates/politicians by their actual names, but I have read Bush & other candidates referred to with alternate names & no one ever says anything about it, so I was just pointing out that it was not just HollyS alone. It wasn't actually an opinion on why the other thread was deleted; it was a fact that it was against PS rules. Much more innocuous threads having to do with religion on other parts of PS have been deleted, so it's safe to say that was the reason (and a good reason, obviously, due to the tensions that arose from it).Date: 9/16/2008 10:45:50 AM
Author: miraclesrule
IndyGrl: Thanks for your opinion, but that wasn't the point of my post, but I suspect you know that. I made it very clear it didn't matter why the thread was cancelled, I was interested in hearing the answer to my hypothetical.
But since this is about the Undecideds or Independents, I can tell you that not all of those that I know, nor myself, have been swinging toward McCain, and whether you agree or not, it has a lot to do with Palin. Until we can get more information and have enough true vetting, we are not swayed by her confidence and beauty and pageantry.
Hardly. McCain has tied Obama in Pennsylvania, further ahead in Ohio and Florida.Date: 9/16/2008 10:10:27 AM
Author: part gypsy
Personally HollyS I think you are a great representative for McCain.
BTW the McCain (Palin) bounce has disappeared.