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10/10/2008 11:13:28 AM
Author: Linda W
The DOW is at it again
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!! When will it stop
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The last time I looked, it was up. Not by much, but up. Are you asking for it to stop falling or to stop "gyrating" (the new word of the times)?


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Deb, to stop falling and I just looked it is -435.28
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Author: Linda W

Deb, to stop falling

OK. Gotcha. I''m not sure why I asked; I can''t stop it whether it is falling or gyrating. I hope that my asking what you preferred didn''t raise your hopes or anything.... I just like to get things clear.


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Ha, no it didn''t raise my hopes Deb, just getting tired of watching it fall fall fall, like everyone else. We should have stuffed everything under our mattresses.
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Author: Linda W
Ha, no it didn''t raise my hopes Deb, just getting tired of watching it fall fall fall, like everyone else. We should have stuffed everything under our mattresses.

Or at least put it in the bank. I kept telling my husband (a banker) that the bank accounts are FDIC insured. He kept assuring me that mutual funds are safe. So our IRA''s and our daughter''s college fund (like everyone else''s) are in mutual funds-i.e. the stock market. Heck, I even used to tell him to diversify and put some in the bank! And, after he had laughed at me for doing it, he was glad I had bought a couple of small CDs at 6.5% or so once the interest rates fell a lot lower! He knows a lot more about finance...but even a broken clock is right twice a day ;-). Now we have nothing in the bank or under the mattress!

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Oh Geez Deb that is awful, I am so sorry. Mine is going down hill really fast. I checked my IRA last night. I called the 800#. I haven''t called in over 2 months. When I heard the balance, I hung up and got an instant stomach ache.
 

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Oh Geez Deb that is awful, I am so sorry. Mine is going down hill really fast. I checked my IRA last night. I called the 800#. I haven't called in over 2 months. When I heard the balance, I hung up and got an instant stomach ache.


I am sorry your IRA is going down, too! But I do not mean that we are broke! We were never rich to begin with! We just have less money in our IRA's and in our daughter's college fund!

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Deb, I knew what you meant, the same here. I think everyone is going through the same thing.

The house foreclosures in our area are astounding. My girlfriend called last night and said they are all over, in the Bay Area too.
 

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It''s hideous.

I started buying a few stocks that I know very well that are not economically sensitive. Stuff I have owned for ages I am adding to. I like the prices and I like the dividends. It''s sick though, very sick. I am buying little bits and if they go lower I will buy more. Don''t have the guts to buy big postions plus I don''t want to use up my cash. But I have known these companies for decades and they are unlikely to go broke.

I cannot imagine what the atmosphere must be like for people who physcially work on Wall Street. It must be like working in a war zone. So emotional.
 

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Date: 10/10/2008 12:08:51 PM
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Date:
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Author: Linda W
Ha, no it didn''t raise my hopes Deb, just getting tired of watching it fall fall fall, like everyone else. We should have stuffed everything under our mattresses.

Or at least put it in the bank. I kept telling my husband (a banker) that the bank accounts are FDIC insured. He kept assuring me that mutual funds are safe. So our IRA''s and our daughter''s college fund (like everyone else''s) are in mutual funds-i.e. the stock market. Heck, I even used to tell him to diversify and put some in the bank! And, after he had laughed at me for doing it, he was glad I had bought a couple of small CDs at 6.5% or so once the interest rates fell a lot lower! He knows a lot more about finance...but even a broken clock is right twice a day ;-). Now we have nothing in the bank or under the mattress!

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Bless my mother, that child of The Depression, wherever she is today. I have CASH, thanks to her. (Of course the status of the banks is an issue now, but I digress) And I cleaned out my safe deposit box today, with the intention of getting one at a different bank closer to home. But I just found out that box contents are not insured against losses of the financial institutions. Hmm.....

Anyhoo...I had forgotten just how much silver she''d hoarded over the years. Almost couldn''t lift my purse! Old pre-1965 silver dimes (some of them winged liberty heads back to 1944 and such) and old old silver dollars...and new silver coins and a few bullion pieces. And the gold of course. Besides the fact that it''s money, it''s just flat out fun to look at! I love coins!

Mutual funds are GAMBLING. Period. (I wish now my mom had had nothing in them, but she did, sadly, even though she distrusted them, quite a bit. I''m waiting for the funds to move to my inherited IRA, and I haven''t been able to bring myself to even look at it. Until it gets to my IRA from hers, I can''t touch it anyway. No sense in worrying it like a hole in my tooth, which I would do if I knew.) There was a time, pre-koolaid, when the vast unwashed held that it was not for people like us. We''ll be the unlucky one''s to actually LIVE the hard end of that bit of wisdom, I fear.
 

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Date: 10/10/2008 1:23:44 PM
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Anyhoo...I had forgotten just how much silver she''d hoarded over the years. Almost couldn''t lift my purse! Old pre-1965 silver dimes (some of them winged liberty heads back to 1944 and such) and old old silver dollars...and new silver coins and a few bullion pieces. And the gold of course. Besides the fact that it''s money, it''s just flat out fun to look at! I love coins!
these dimes aren''t worth anymore than 1964 dimes unless they''re uncirculated,even then unless it is a rare date still not worth very much. i remember trading $1000 bags of 90% silver coins for under $4000 per bag when spot price of silver was $3.75 per oz.
 

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Date: 10/10/2008 2:16:12 PM
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Date: 10/10/2008 1:23:44 PM
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Anyhoo...I had forgotten just how much silver she'd hoarded over the years. Almost couldn't lift my purse! Old pre-1965 silver dimes (some of them winged liberty heads back to 1944 and such) and old old silver dollars...and new silver coins and a few bullion pieces. And the gold of course. Besides the fact that it's money, it's just flat out fun to look at! I love coins!
these dimes aren't worth anymore than 1964 dimes unless they're uncirculated,even then unless it is a rare date still not worth very much. i remember trading $1000 bags of 90% silver coins for under $4000 per bag when spot price of silver was $3.75 per oz.
Oh, I know they aren't really worth more than the silver in them, but I still like them. They're pretty.
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Why are our coins so blinkin' UGLY these days??
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ETA - I do have one really cool 1853 penny. Great huge thing. In great condition. Fun stuff!
 

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off topic...

I want to see pictures of the pretty coins!!
 

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Date: 10/10/2008 2:47:22 PM
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Date: 10/10/2008 2:33:49 PM
Author: MoonWater
off topic...

I want to see pictures of the pretty coins!!
they''re call large cents...i was never a big fan of copper coins.

http://www.coinfacts.com/large_cents/braided_hair_large_cents/braided_hair_large_cents.html
Hmmm...mine looks a bit different. The letters and numbers look larger, just a bit...."One Cent" (the T) touches the wreath on the obverse side. Other than that, it''s just like that...and the slightly larger than a quarter, about.
 

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Oh please keep going up, oh please keep going up, oh please keep going up.
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Somebody on the radio was saying today that if we want to strengthen the dollar we need to invest in gold...but I didn''t really understand. Anyone care to explain?
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luckystar: Most people that predicted the eventual economic crisis as a result of the lowering of the bar in mortgage loans, began investing in gold instead. Unfortunately, there is very little left to purchase on the open market because savvy investors bought it all up.

Our dollar became vulnerable the minute they abandoned the gold standard.
 

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Date: 10/10/2008 11:11:37 PM
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luckystar: Most people that predicted the eventual economic crisis as a result of the lowering of the bar in mortgage loans, began investing in gold instead. Unfortunately, there is very little left to purchase on the open market because savvy investors bought it all up.

Our dollar became vulnerable the minute they abandoned the gold standard.
No argument there, that without a backing, our dollar is vulnerable. BUT, gold too has no real intrinsic value other than what we give it, AND tying our money supply to it made money increasingly scarce...a truly limited resource after all. Hard to ever GROW the money supply when it's tied to gold.

ETA - The real value of the dollar was the TRUST, the perception, that it was good and worth what we'd all agreed it was worth. That trust is completely gone now, and so the dollar becomes ordinary paper.

I know I just bought MY gold because I wish to have some coin on hand in the event that paper money becomes completely debased. I didn't buy as an investment...
 

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funny thing about gold....
nobody wanted it at $325-$350 range and now everybody wants to buy it at $850-$900.
 

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Date: 10/10/2008 11:28:32 PM
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Date: 10/10/2008 11:11:37 PM
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luckystar: Most people that predicted the eventual economic crisis as a result of the lowering of the bar in mortgage loans, began investing in gold instead. Unfortunately, there is very little left to purchase on the open market because savvy investors bought it all up.

Our dollar became vulnerable the minute they abandoned the gold standard.
No argument there, that without a backing, our dollar is vulnerable. BUT, gold too has no real intrinsic value other than what we give it, AND tying our money supply to it made money increasingly scarce...a truly limited resource after all. Hard to ever GROW the money supply when it''s tied to gold.

ETA - The real value of the dollar was the TRUST, the perception, that it was good and worth what we''d all agreed it was worth. That trust is completely gone now, and so the dollar becomes ordinary paper.

I know I just bought MY gold because I wish to have some coin on hand in the event that paper money becomes completely debased. I didn''t buy as an investment...
Well, if you are tired of your paper dollars, you can send them my way.

Last I checked they were pretty useful.
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another fun day on wall st. - 45% in my IRA account in the pass three weeks.
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are we heading towards 7500 on the DOW ? 750 on the S&P ?
 

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We are indeed in a very, very scary time.
 

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it's definately turned into a global issue

today's selloff was HUGE

DF- STOP looking at your 401k!
 

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When I turned on CNBC after waking up this morning and saw that all the futures were limit down before the market opened, D and I turned to each other and said "well today should be interesting". It wasn''t as bad as I thought it might be. In fact, I thought the stability of the day was overall a good sign.
 

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Date: 10/24/2008 5:31:25 PM
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it''s definately turned into a global issue

today''s selloff was HUGE

DF- STOP looking at your 401k!
i don''t have any 401K,in fact i told my wife to sell all of her 401k last april when the Dow was at 13,100
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but then the stupid me bought some financial ETF with her 401K money a few months ago
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well...you know what had happen to those financial holdings lately.
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Hah, just found an envelope in the house full of Japanese yen. I am taking it down and changing it to dollars today! Maybe the last money I have
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The dollar is so strong - at this pace we''ll be 1:1 with the UK Pound. I am getting offers from top Vegas casino hotels that are so good they are literally giving away the rooms. They are going broke over there.

Terrifying market, but somehow I am beginning to enjoy the ride. (I have read this happens, where the tortured person falls in love with the torturer). But seriously, there are some cheap priced stocks out there. Yes they may get cheaper. For two weeks I was waking up in the night cause the market was so bad. Now I am waking up in the night thinking of the opportunities.
 

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Fed cut the interest rate by 1/2 point.
 
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