Exactly this.Date: 12/13/2009 1:19:46 AM
Author: neatfreak
No way. Too dangerous with kids around and you''re more likely to have one of your household members killed or hurt than use it on an intruder.
I would definitely have guns and learn to use them in this situation.Date: 12/13/2009 10:56:57 AM
Author: Tuckins1
You bet we do. We both have our CPL (concealed pistol permit) and we go to the range regularly for target practice.
You never can be too prepared for Zombie apocalypse
This. When we first met, I was scared of them (due to lack of interaction/experience). When he got his CWP, he said I didn't have to like it, but that I needed to attend the gun safety class with him so that I would know what to do to disarm/fire/use one properly. The class required shooting over 250 rounds on top of 8 hours of class-time about safety and laws. The first shot I was TERRIFIED, shaking I was so scared. After the first magazine (10 rounds in that gun), I looked to my right (the lane where my SO was shooting) with the largest smile on my face. I'd overcome it, and come to find out, I'm a damn good shot. It was empowering to not be afraid of it anymore. We are not both CWP holders who exercise our 2nd amendment rights to their full extent.Date: 12/13/2009 10:51:12 AM
Author: diamondrnglover
We have many guns in our house, my husband collects guns and knives like I do jewerly, however, we do have a gun safe and everything is locked up nice and tight.
This goes for me too. I don''t want, need, or personally like guns. They don''t interest me at all, and I''d never be able to go hunting. That''s just me, but I don''t mind other people having guns if everything is done safely and according to the laws.Date: 12/13/2009 5:10:36 AM
Author: pennquaker09
Date: 12/13/2009 1:54:14 AM
Author: Cehrabehra
No - Never. Hell.No.
Ditto.
Date: 12/13/2009 11:22:40 AM
Author: neatfreak
Date: 12/13/2009 10:58:35 AM
Author: Tuckins1
Date: 12/13/2009 1:19:46 AM
Author: neatfreak
No way. Too dangerous with kids around and you''re more likely to have one of your household members killed or hurt than use it on an intruder.
Where are the stats on that? I would love to see the actual numbers on that study...
Here are two studies that literally took me 2 second to find that talk about it. And there are MANY others.
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So please, I urge anyone who has guns in their home to not only conceal them from their kids (and practice every safe gun practice possible) but to educate their children on how harmful they can be and teach them to respect them. There are SO MANY accidents with guns that would not have occured with the right gun safety practices and education. There are many quick access safes on the market that are as easy to open as a dresser drawer but are also so much safer for the occupants of the house.
Date: 12/13/2009 3:22:31 PM
Author: loriken214
My late mom had her concealed handgun license and I''ve grown up around guns all of my life. You bet I''ve got a gun. I recently sold my S&W 38 revolver and will buy a Glock 40 soon. This is for household protection.
DH doesn''t like guns and has no clue what to do with one, but I''m ready. Crime is rampant these days and I''m not going down easily....go ahead, make my day!
Lori
lori,Date: 12/13/2009 3:22:31 PM
Author: loriken214
My late mom had her concealed handgun license and I''ve grown up around guns all of my life. You bet I''ve got a gun. I recently sold my S&W 38 revolver and will buy a Glock 40 soon. This is for household protection.
DH doesn''t like guns and has no clue what to do with one, but I''m ready. Crime is rampant these days and I''m not going down easily....go ahead, make my day!
Lori
Children dying from accidental shootings can be described as "blah blah blah"? And as responsible as you are with guns, unfortunately there are many people out there who aren''t. And quite frankly, I think it is absurd that somone could place a gun in the hands of a four year old. Why in God''s name is this necessary?Is it even legal? Why run the risk of an accident with someone so young? And as precocious as some children may be with guns, that doesn''t guarantee that a child won''t handle a gun unsafely if found in someone else''s home. In fact, said child may want to show off her "skills" to the other child. Children, as advanced as some may be, are still children and will behave as such.Date: 12/13/2009 1:31:47 PM
Author: audball
This. When we first met, I was scared of them (due to lack of interaction/experience). When he got his CWP, he said I didn''t have to like it, but that I needed to attend the gun safety class with him so that I would know what to do to disarm/fire/use one properly. The class required shooting over 250 rounds on top of 8 hours of class-time about safety and laws. The first shot I was TERRIFIED, shaking I was so scared. After the first magazine (10 rounds in that gun), I looked to my right (the lane where my SO was shooting) with the largest smile on my face. I''d overcome it, and come to find out, I''m a damn good shot. It was empowering to not be afraid of it anymore. We are not both CWP holders who exercise our 2nd amendment rights to their full extent.Date: 12/13/2009 10:51:12 AM
Author: diamondrnglover
We have many guns in our house, my husband collects guns and knives like I do jewerly, however, we do have a gun safe and everything is locked up nice and tight.
All the issues about children and blah blah blah can all be handled if you do it responsibly. Gun safes are important for when you''re not home or you''re going to be somewhere where it is illegal to carry (ie: schools/universities, court, post office, etc). Second, children are smarter than you''d think if you tell them about it instead of pretending they don''t exist. Kids are smart, but they''re also curious. If you curb they''re curiosity, they won''t think twice about it. My SO''s cousin is 4 years old. Both of her parents are in law enforcement and her father is VERY into collecting all types of guns, but especially sniper rifles (former military). She is 4 years old, knows what they are, how to fully disarm them, how to shoot them, which end is the ''bad end'', how to lock them, it''s unbelievable. I''d rather my kid know what to do with them than be curious when they come across one in someone else''s house who isn''t responsible and have an accident happen. Instead she can handle the situation, yes, even at 4. Also, no gun should be left unattended (off your person) if you are around any person under 18 years old. Period. If it can''t be on you, it shouldn''t be with you at the moment.
ETA: I think you can find statistics to say anything you want them to say. On both sides.
Date: 12/13/2009 1:19:46 AM
Author: neatfreak
No way. Too dangerous with kids around and you''re more likely to have one of your household members killed or hurt than use it on an intruder.
Guns, always an interesting topic. Personally I think it comes down to this, gun ownership is a right. If you choose to own one, or many, then educate yourself on how best to use, handle and stay safe with a firearm in the household. Ignorance and stupidity kills, not the gun.Date: 12/13/2009 4:52:16 PM
Author: AmberGretchen
Date: 12/13/2009 1:19:46 AM
Author: neatfreak
No way. Too dangerous with kids around and you''re more likely to have one of your household members killed or hurt than use it on an intruder.
What she said - the potential for misuse and/or accidents is just too high...
no, i don''t...and i hope never to have to. we live in a great boonie area. i do not live in fear of this. yet the sheriff was worried enough to do a reverse 911 to warn the area of an armed and dangerous felon who had no problems shooting at the officers.....why wouldn''t this person shoot at me also? how do i defend myself?Date: 12/13/2009 4:56:42 PM
Author: HopeDream
I can understand a gun for hunting, I can understand owning a gun for the challenge of target practice and the community of belonging to a gun club. I can understand holding a gun in the service of your countrie''s military, or as a police officer.
But living every day with the fear that someone is going to break into your home and threaten you?
Wow!
I don''t want to live where you live if this is such a real possibility that you own a gun for the purposes of shooting/threatening another human being.
Do you realy expect that one day you will have to shoot another person? (because if the assailant doesn''t back down, then that''s what will happen).
What if the house-breaker has a gun too?
I have no argument for or against owning guns, I''m just curious about this reality of absolute fear.
yes twice, but thankfully never had to pull the trigger.Date: 12/13/2009 6:09:16 PM
Author: thing2of2
To the passionately pro-gun people on this thread-have you ever had to use your gun(s) in self defense? Or have you been in a situation where you didn't have a gun, but needed one?
Date: 12/13/2009 11:22:40 AM
Author: neatfreak
Date: 12/13/2009 10:58:35 AM
Author: Tuckins1
Date: 12/13/2009 1:19:46 AM
Author: neatfreak
No way. Too dangerous with kids around and you''re more likely to have one of your household members killed or hurt than use it on an intruder.
Where are the stats on that? I would love to see the actual numbers on that study...
Here are two studies that literally took me 2 second to find that talk about it. And there are MANY others.
Inj Prev. 2000 Dec;6(4):263-7.
Gun use in the United States: results from two national surveys.
Hemenway D, Azrael D, Miller M.
Department of Health Policy and Management, Harvard School of Public Health, Boston, MA 02115, USA. [email protected]
OBJECTIVES: To determine the relative incidence of gun victimization versus self defense gun use by civilians in the United States, and the circumstances and probable legality of the self defense uses. METHODS: National random digit dial telephone surveys of the adult population were conducted in 1996 and 1999. The Harvard surveys appear unique among private surveys in two respects: asking (1) open ended questions about defensive gun use incidents and (2) detailed questions about both gun victimization and self defense gun use. Five criminal court judges were asked to assess whether the self reported defensive gun uses were likely to have been legal. RESULTS: Even after excluding many reported firearm victimizations, far more survey respondents report having been threatened or intimidated with a gun than having used a gun to protect themselves. A majority of the reported self defense gun uses were rated as probably illegal by a majority of judges. This was so even under the assumption that the respondent had a permit to own and carry the gun, and that the respondent had described the event honestly. CONCLUSIONS: Guns are used to threaten and intimidate far more often than they are used in self defense. Most self reported self defense gun uses may well be illegal and against the interests of society.
JAMA. 2005 Feb 9;293(6):707-14.
Gun storage practices and risk of youth suicide and unintentional firearm injuries.
Grossman DC, Mueller BA, Riedy C, Dowd MD, Villaveces A, Prodzinski J, Nakagawara J, Howard J, Thiersch N, Harruff R.
Department of Health Services, University of Washington, Seattle, USA. [email protected]
Comment in:
* JAMA. 2005 Feb 9;293(6):740-1.
CONTEXT: Household firearms are associated with an elevated risk of firearm death to occupants in the home. Many organizations and health authorities advocate locking firearms and ammunition to prevent access to guns by children and adolescents. The association of these firearm storage practices with the reduction of firearm injury risk is unclear. OBJECTIVE: To measure the association of specific household firearm storage practices (locking guns, locking ammunition, keeping guns unloaded) and the risk of unintentional and self-inflicted firearm injuries. DESIGN AND SETTING: Case-control study of firearms in events identified by medical examiner and coroner offices from 37 counties in Washington, Oregon, and Missouri, and 5 trauma centers in Seattle, Spokane, and Tacoma, Wash, and Kansas City, Mo. CASES AND CONTROLS: Case firearms were identified by involvement in an incident in which a child or adolescent younger than 20 years gained access to a firearm and shot himself/herself intentionally or unintentionally or shot another individual unintentionally. Firearm assaults and homicides were excluded. We used records from hospitals and medical examiners to ascertain these incidents. Using random-digit dial telephone sampling, control firearms were identified by identification of eligible households with at least 1 firearm and children living or visiting in the home. Controls were frequency matched by age group and county. MAIN EXPOSURE MEASURES: The key exposures of interest in this study were: (1) whether the subject firearm was stored in a locked location or with an extrinsic lock; (2) whether the firearm was stored unloaded; (3) whether the firearm was stored both unloaded in a locked location; (4) whether the ammunition for the firearm was stored separately; and (5) whether the ammunition was stored in a locked location. Data regarding the storage status of case and control guns were collected by interview with respondents from the households of case and control firearms. RESULTS: We interviewed 106 respondents with case firearms and 480 with control firearms. Of the shootings associated with the case firearms, 81 were suicide attempts (95% fatal) and 25 were unintentional injuries (52% fatal). After adjustment for potentially confounding variables, guns from case households were less likely to be stored unloaded than control guns (odds ratio [OR], 0.30; 95% confidence interval [CI], 0.16-0.56). Similarly, case guns were less likely to be stored locked (OR, 0.27; 95% CI, 0.17-0.45), stored separately from ammunition (OR, 0.45; 95% CI, 0.34-0.93), or to have ammunition that was locked (OR, 0.39; 95% CI, 0.23-0.66) than were control guns. These findings were consistent for both handguns and long guns and were also similar for both suicide attempts and unintentional injuries. CONCLUSIONS: The 4 practices of keeping a gun locked, unloaded, storing ammunition locked, and in a separate location are each associated with a protective effect and suggest a feasible strategy to reduce these types of injuries in homes with children and teenagers where guns are stored.
Personally I think there is a HUGE difference between people who respect firearms and truly store them correctly vs. people that don''t. But for me, it''s not a risk I am willing to take. Kids are smart and there have been many studies that have also shown that the kids know how to get guns out of safes much more often than parents think they can. And the fact of the matter is that most people are not storing them safely or using best practices when securing them.
So please, I urge anyone who has guns in their home to not only conceal them from their kids (and practice every safe gun practice possible) but to educate their children on how harmful they can be and teach them to respect them. There are SO MANY accidents with guns that would not have occured with the right gun safety practices and education. There are many quick access safes on the market that are as easy to open as a dresser drawer but are also so much safer for the occupants of the house.