DOES TIFFANY HAVE A NEW STAMP/HALLMARK?

Tension7 · Jun 9, 2006

HELLO, SEEN SOME TIFF AND CO RINGS ON EBAY WITH HALLMARK C TIFFANY & CO. INSTEAD OF TIFFANY & CO. JEWELER SAYS IT IS THE NEW HALLMARK, ANYONE KNOW THANKS,

FireGoddess · Jun 9, 2006

A quick call to your nearest Tiffany's would clear this up, and you'd hear it from the horse's mouth.

There's also no need to mention ebay to them. Simply say you received a ring as a gift and the stamp reads xxx. You noticed this is different from the former Tiffany's stamp and wanted to know if it was authentic, and a new stamp, or counterfeit.

Tension7 · Jun 9, 2006

HERES A PIC, ITS AN ANNIV BAND. THANK YOU. I CALLED TIFF 800 NUMBER VALUATION DEPT WHO WERE SNOOTY. STATED THEY DO NOT PROVIDE THAT SERVICE. AM WARY--TIFF IS SUING EBAY FOR KNOCK OFFS. WILL CALL LOCAL.

ladykemma · Jun 9, 2006

can you post a picture of the ring. i have the tiffany book of past generation of jewelry.

Tension7 · Jun 9, 2006

here a pic ladylemma

firebirdgold · Jun 9, 2006

Um, that is not a pic of a real ring. that is taken from the Tiffany website.

All together now:
RUN

ETA: Er actually I'm wrong that's not the pic from their site. Jumped the gun. Now that I think of it didn't Signed Pieces have a ring like that up for about 2 days recently?

FireGoddess · Jun 9, 2006

The likelihood is - how long has Tiffany''s been in existence? Hundreds of years? Never changed the stamp? Not likely they''re gonna start now. But to be reassured, like I said, call a local Tiffany''s. I did this once and they were happy to tell me either yes, it''s real or no, it''s counterfeit.

Selkie · Jun 9, 2006

Am I wrong, or isn''t that C in the circle the copyright symbol? In other words, "Copyright property of Tiffany Co.?

ladykemma · Jun 9, 2006

alarm bells. run that picture is a stock photo from somewhere. do they offer a picture of the real ring?

in my tiffany book up til this year's designs the logo is TIFFANY & CO.

eta ok, not in a hurry, I looked closely with a loupe at all the pictures of the rings in the 1990's and 2000's and they all say TIFFANY & CO. also the indentation was deeply engraved, not "half assed" engraved like the picture you posted.

Selkie · Jun 9, 2006

According to this guide on eBay, Tiffany WILL NOT authenticate items bought on eBay:check item 8.
But I still think the C is intended as a copyright symbol. Doesn''t mean it''s not counterfeit, it could just be someone''s brilliant idea to make it look authentic.

Ohio Rocks · Jun 9, 2006

Items with the Copyright "C" on them usually have it after Tiffany & Co. Not before.

tracys126 · Jun 9, 2006

We got my ring from Tiffany's last month. It DOES SAY (C) 1999 TIFFANY & CO.

Please don't buy a ring on Ebay. You should see some of the horrible experiences people on here have had. Just awful

Check out Signed Pieces for used Tiffany jewelry at a discount.

regalada · Jun 9, 2006

Both my e-ring and wedding band were bought at Tiffany''s. The trademark on both of them looks exactly like the one in the picture above, with the C in a circle as in copyright.

Kay · Jun 9, 2006

The C in a circle like that is a symbol indicating the artistic work is copyright protected. Perhaps it''s not a change in the hallmark so much as the addition of a copyright notice. You should still check with a local store to be safe -- just ask if they now include a copyright symbol on the inside of the ring along with the traditional hallmark.

whatmeworry · Jun 9, 2006

I thought the same thing too, that maybe it copyrighted an artist or a Lucida. But it''s just an anniversary ring. I don''t think there''s anything copyrightable about that.

Diam100 · Jun 9, 2006

RUN.... RUN... now! Seriously, I wouldn''t do it. None of my Tiffany & Co baubles have that hallmark - not my rings or bracelets or necklace.

bstraszheim · Jun 9, 2006

It may be a moot point already, but if that is the ring that was on Signed Pieces earlier this week, then have no worries, it will be authentic, Signed Pieces does not sell "Tiphonies". If it''s ebay, I would be warry, but not saying it can''t be authentic. I would make absolutely sure though, that the seller will refund 100% if it is not authentic! I have the exact ring from Tiffany & Co. with alternating sapphires/ diamonds, I will check it when I get home.

I wish you well,

Bridget

Tension7 · Jun 9, 2006

yes i assumed the c was copyright, but haven''t seen it on alot of tiffs in ebay. yes that is signed pieces annive band a bid is on it for 2G. pic of this diamond below is not a signed pieces ring. . no diamond cert in leatherbound folder for this one it comes with t and co signed valuation which could have been forged. if you can get tiff boxes and ribbon on ebay, why not letterhead. t and co will not authenticate any piece even if you bring it in, i was told, your papers are the authenticity, boston anyway.

Tension7 · Jun 9, 2006

ladykemma this stamp is not deep either look at diamond i just posted. fake??

FireGoddess · Jun 9, 2006

Date: 6/9/2006 3:18:13 PM
Author: Bridget S.
It may be a moot point already, but if that is the ring that was on Signed Pieces earlier this week, then have no worries, it will be authentic, Signed Pieces does not sell ''Tiphonies''.

Never heard of that phrase! Funny! You definitely need to be wary of Tiffany stuff on ebay, a great %age of it is fake. You could work out some sort of return policy contingent on getting the nod from Tiffany''s when you take them the ring for authentication...but getting your money back from eBay scammers has not been the easiest thing in the world, as we''ve seen several times here.

ladykemma · Jun 9, 2006

Date: 6/9/2006 4:47:05 PM
Author: mariemarquis
ladykemma this stamp is not deep either look at diamond i just posted. fake??

well i have never seen a tiffany piece up close in person, but the pictures in my book the engravings are distinct, well done, dark and deep. anyone know knows more about this than I do want to chime in?

squawks · Jun 9, 2006

Date: 6/9/2006 1:45:39 PM
Author: tracys126
We got my ring from Tiffany''s last month. It DOES SAY (C) 1999 TIFFANY & CO.

I also have an authentic Tiffany platinum band and the stamp is indeed as indicated as above: (C) 1999 Tiffany & Co. It is not necessarily deep but it is definitely there and conspicuous.

I find it suspicious how the stamp reads (C) Tiffany & Co. without the 1999 year as a year usually follows the (C) symbol although this may be a special case since they may simply be trying to avoid stamping over an area that''s too long.

I would just go to a Tiffany store and take a look at one of their rings to see if the stamps match identically.

Logan Sapphire · Jun 9, 2006

Logan Sapphire · Jun 9, 2006

Here''s what mine looks like. I do know for non-ring items, they do have different sorts of hallmarks. I didn''t think the classic Tiff setting had the date.

whatmeworry · Jun 9, 2006

This from the U.S. copyright office

http://www.copyright.gov/

Form of Notice for Visually Perceptible Copies
The notice for visually perceptible copies should contain all the following three elements:

2. The year of first publication of the work. In the case of compilations or derivative works incorporating previously published material, the year date of first publication of the compilation or derivative work is sufficient. The year date may be omitted where a pictorial, graphic, or sculptural work, with accompanying textual matter, if any, is reproduced in or on greeting cards, postcards, stationery, jewelry, dolls, toys, or any useful article; and

3. The name of the owner of copyright in the work, or an abbreviation by which the name can be recognized, or a generally known alternative designation of the owner.

You can also do a search on Tiffany copyrights. A quick glance by me showed that Lucida is copyrighted. Not sure about the solitaire or the anniversary ring.

bstraszheim · Jun 9, 2006

I have several Tiffany bands of varying design. The band that is of the exact design, but alternating sapphire and diamonds, reads "Tiffany & Co." and it is legible, but the "Tiff" is not as deeply impressed as the "any & Co.". My channel set diamond band is "(c) Tiffany & Co." all evenly impressed. Another channel set sapphire band, in exactly the same design, does *not* have the (C), only "Tiffany & Co." My 2mm Lucida plat band reads "(c) 1999 Tiffany & Co." My tourmaline ring has "(C) 2004 Tiffany & Co." Every one of these has been purchased from my local Tiffany store, not ebay, so they are absolutely authentic.

Basically it does not seem that authenticity can be established by the presence, or absence of the Copyright symbol, nor the depth of the hallmark.

I wish you well,

Bridget

Tension7 · Jun 10, 2006

thanks all for your input, tiffany will not authenitcate ring even if my friend buys it and brings it into the store. i thought the diamond ring stamp looked more like an engraving than a deep black marked hallmark. she is not going to buy it. the jeweler even offered to pick her up at the airport to show her the ring in chicago, wierd?? who does that? he said he wanted to sell it in his store via check. she said no, then he said how about wire transfer to avoid paypal and cc fees. then cash of delivery--would deliver ring then she pay via cert check. either he is a nice guy or wants to dump this ring. said wanted to sell within next 10 days, said signed pieces would not buy it for price he wanted. wanted her to fax license and cc to him. we are both spooked. any comments??

FireGoddess · Jun 10, 2006

Was I not clear in my earlier post that you don't tell Tiffany you bought the ring on ebay and want to know if it's real? You will never get a response that way. I said to bring the item in the store, tell them it was a gift, and you want to make sure it's authentic. They will tell you whether it is or not. If your friend doesn't do that, well, can't help her.

Number two. If this guy ONLY wants cash or wire or money transfer, DO NOT BUY. You will never get your money back. The reason to use a cc or paypal is because they offer buyer PROTECTION if the item is misrepresented. You pay in cash, you have no leg to stand on later. I have had to fax my cc and license when making internet purchases in the past, but with the way this vendor sounds, I wouldn't do it.

JulieN · Jun 10, 2006

so he stole the pictures from SP? (a question, not finger-pointing of any sort)

Mara · Jun 10, 2006

If the ring is from Signed Pieces, I wouldn''t worry as they do re-sale authentic Tiffany items, but if it is another eBay purchase NOT SP...I would not buy it. There are lots of knockoffs of Tiffany on eBay and in fact last I heard Tiff was suing eBay for it because it''s so prevalent. The number of fakes in general of well-known brands on eBay is really out there!!

I''d say PASS.

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