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Re: Who Can Explain the Attitude Toward Dogs in the U.S. Sou
Right, but again, I'm talking about the U.S. South, not Europe. And in America, hunting deer with dogs is primarily a Southern tradition.
As for the rest, we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
dragonfly411|1301676497|2885223 said:thing2of2|1301672487|2885166 said:dragonfly411|1301671190|2885138 said:thing2of2|1301669243|2885104 said:I didn't say running dogs was illegal. (Although it is actually illegal in most states, with the exception of the South.) I do think it's unsportsmanlike and so does my dad and many other hunters who prefer to abide by what's known as the "fair chase" ethic. (And for the record, my father also doesn't shoot young bucks or does.) And in my experience growing up in rural Virginia, people who run dogs to flush deer out tend to be rednecks.
This has to do with animal abuse because the most neglected, sickly dogs I've seen have been kept as hunting dogs and used to run deer. Also, using dogs to hunt deer is a Southern tradition, and we're talking about how dogs are treated in the South. Hope that clears it up for you.
To see the sickliest dogs I"ve ever seen, go read my links. Those weren't hunting dogs and they weren't in the south.
Using dogs to hunt deer is actually a European tradition, when Kings would use hounds to hunt stags. It carried through when settlers came to the U.S. and continued to use dogs to help hunt their dinner, which included deer, rabbits, raccoons, antelope, bison, and even squirrels. It is not just a southern tradition.
I'm talking about the dogs I've personally come across, not a bunch of internet stories. Hunting whitetail deer with dogs (which is what I've been talking about the entire time) is only practiced in 9 states, and even in those states not all counties allow it. The states that allow it include: Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Alabama and Arkansas. Like I said, it's a Southern tradition, and it's one that's controversial.
The bolded part is your quote Thing. Stags in Europe are a type of deer. And as I said before, Dogs are used to hunt other animals, like birds, hogs, rabbits, foxes and raccoons.
I LIVE in the south and I HUNT and I go to hunting clubs IN THE SOUTH, and I have only ONCE seen dogs that were sickly and starved and those dogs were reported and removed from the club and further action was taken against the owner. I've been around hunting since I was a child. That's at least 23 years in the woods. Hunters as a main group do not all treat their dogs badly. They are not all "rednecks" who treat their dogs in "disgusting" manners. The dogs are happy, healthy animals who enjoy their job and are treated with great care and pride. When you have spent your entire life in the woods in the SOUTH then you can come tell me that the majority of hunters do what they do.
Those random internet stories are REAL cases of neglect and abuse. Dogs left with mange. Dogs left with no food. Pitt bulls being starved. Small dogs being starved. Horses being starved and their dead bodies being piled in a line. Again, as I've been trying to get across from the start, ignorance, neglect, and abuse are not just centered in the south. Pitt bulls used for fighting are treated much worse than hunting dogs who get to lounge about most of the day with plenty of food and water. Animals that are being hoarded and live in their own filth are living much worse lives too. It is not just one area, or one breed, or one sub group of owners, or one type. It is all over. It is everywhere. It is sad and sick and in an ideal world it wouldn't happen. Unfortunately I think it will always be an issue that people are trying to prevent, due to lack of education, laziness, or lack of emotion/empathy.
Right, but again, I'm talking about the U.S. South, not Europe. And in America, hunting deer with dogs is primarily a Southern tradition.
As for the rest, we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.